So I still like Coach Miller and want him to succed

[Vern Pain]

I have to say his take on what's wrong is troubling. While I'm paraphrasing, basically what he's saying is that the team has been incrementally getting softer every game since MSU. The most worrisome part of that is he's been saying the same thing since his first days at IU.

Two years ago, after the Ft Wayne and ISU debacles, he was saying that they were soft. He said time and again that his guys just don't have a grasp on the kind of effort it takes game in and game out. He said today, if you practice soft you play soft. I guess it's just disappointing that he sees the same flaws now that he did more than two years ago and hasn't figured out a remedy.

I guess I'm kind of like Cletus after coach Dale's first game. "I'm trying real.hard to believe you know what you're doin' here"

 

[Kyser123]

He’s starting to sound like Crean.

 

[ufo33]

Not even competitive on the road.

 

[Vern Pain]

He’s starting to sound like Crean.

that's a lot more plain spoken than any gibberish Cream would lay down. Cream liked to lament the injuries. Crean used to claim he never saw any of the issues in real time...needed to.see the tape. I'm

What bothers me is you see it. You've seen it from the moment you got here. Is he admitting he's unable to get through? Unable to.make them understand?

 

[bailey777]

I think he is in way over his head but i want iu to succeed so in theory i hope he succeeds. Id hate to look for another coach again but this is just flat out bad.

 

[Kyser123]

Can’t figure it out as you go in B10. He could be an X and O guy, but just can’t get it instilled in the players. Still a coaching issue.

 

[ufo33]

No O

 

[hondo314]

Can’t figure it out as you go in B10.

you’re saying no big ten coach has ever improved while coaching in this league? Lol. Or do you just feel cool making ridiculous blanket statements? Either way, dumb.

 

[cryano]

you’re saying no big ten coach has ever improved while coaching in this league? Lol. Or do you just feel cool making ridiculous blanket statements? Either way, dumb.

So we may have our own verision of a Pat Chambers or Steve Pikiell on our hands?

 

[hondo314]

So we may have our own verision of a Pat Chambers or Steve Pikiell on our hands?

maybe or maybe not. Lol.

 

[T.M.P.]

He’s starting to sound like Crean.

*eyeroll*

 

[Kyser123]

No-I’m good with 10 more years of bad basketball. Hondo and Aloha Hoosier are in a dead heat for being blind to the actual condition of IU hoops. Their basketball and coaching intelligence are both mesmerizing.....said no one. Ray Charles could see that Miller isn’t the guy. But keep posting dumb shit that makes you feel smart and bashing others. Then , in 2-3 more years you can start your new bullshit about why Miller isn’t working out.

 

[hondo314]

No-I’m good with 10 more years of bad basketball. Hondo and Aloha Hoosier are in a dead heat for being blind to the actual condition of IU hoops. Their basketball and coaching intelligence are both mesmerizing.....said no one. Ray Charles could see that Miller isn’t the guy. But keep posting dumb shit that makes you feel smart and bashing others. Then , in 2-3 more years you can start your new bullshit about why Miller isn’t working out.

10 years. 2 to 3 years. lol. Do you guys just pick random numbers when you are sad and confused?

 

[twenty02]

No-I’m good with 10 more years of bad basketball. Hondo and Aloha Hoosier are in a dead heat for being blind to the actual condition of IU hoops. Their basketball and coaching intelligence are both mesmerizing.....said no one. Ray Charles could see that Miller isn’t the guy. But keep posting dumb shit that makes you feel smart and bashing others. Then , in 2-3 more years you can start your new bullshit about why Miller isn’t working out.

Let's try 2 years..... no reason to be melodramatic.

Or we can play the game that IU just isn't "committed to winning".... which seems the latest gibberish from the $5 fan club.

 

[T.M.P.]

No-I’m good with 10 more years of bad basketball. Hondo and Aloha Hoosier are in a dead heat for being blind to the actual condition of IU hoops. Their basketball and coaching intelligence are both mesmerizing.....said no one. Ray Charles could see that Miller isn’t the guy. But keep posting dumb shit that makes you feel smart and bashing others. Then , in 2-3 more years you can start your new bullshit about why Miller isn’t working out.

^^^ y'all should listen to this guy

He was the Special Olympics player of the year in 82.

Corky Dunning Kruger. .couldn't shoot worth a crap, only dribbled on his drool bib, but man he was unnaturally strong and could run really fast.

 

[Birnk403]

Let's try 2 years..... no reason to be melodramatic.

Or we can play the game that IU just isn't "committed to winning".... which seems the latest gibberish from the $5 fan club.

What tells you they’re committed? Certainly not the results, though they talk a good game, which seems to placate many fans.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Let's try 2 years..... no reason to be melodramatic.

Or we can play the game that IU just isn't "committed to winning".... which seems the latest gibberish from the $5 fan club.

Not a game, twenty. It’s the truth. That lack of commitment permeates throughout the entire program. It did before we hired Archie. It’s done so since. In fact, it’s probably gotten worse since he came here.

Just as the players aren’t held accountable for their repeated failures, the coaches aren’t held accountable for theirs. There’s no complaining. There’s no exasperation. It’s just....accepted. On to the next failure.

Things are going so swimmingly that even the coaching staff’s defenders here are openly talking about how much more time he will get. That’s one hell off an endorsement.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

IU fired Bill Mallory after 13 years in 96. Since then, 6 coaches have been at the helm of the football program for an average of 3.6 years, none more than five. (The current coach has been here 3). All have been fired except Hoeppner and Lynch who would have been had they chosen or been able to continue. I know its apples to oranges in terms of priorities, $$ invested, etc. However, what is common is that those coaches all answered to the same AD and administration....and all met the same end or would have.

There seems to be a different dynamic with the basketball coach. Maybe there should be.....but it can't go unnoticed.

 

[victorbear]

No-I’m good with 10 more years of bad basketball. Hondo and Aloha Hoosier are in a dead heat for being blind to the actual condition of IU hoops. Their basketball and coaching intelligence are both mesmerizing.....said no one. Ray Charles could see that Miller isn’t the guy. But keep posting dumb shit that makes you feel smart and bashing others. Then , in 2-3 more years you can start your new bullshit about why Miller isn’t working out.

They are Purdue shills

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

IU fired Bill Mallory after 13 years in 96. Since then, 6 coaches have been at the helm of the football program for an average of 3.6 years, none more than five. (The current coach has been here 3). All have been fired except Hoeppner and Lynch who would have been had they chosen or been able to continue. I know its apples to oranges in terms of priorities, $$ invested, etc. However, what is common is that those coaches all answered to the same AD and administration....and all met the same end or would have.

There seems to be a different dynamic with the basketball coach. Maybe there should be.....but it can't go unnoticed.

Of course it’s apples and oranges. There’s a pecking order in college sports. That’s not to say that a program can’t ascend or descend. And it’s also not to say that certain teams in certain seasons don’t punch either above or below their weight.

But IU’s football team has long been somewhere near the bottom of the B10 football pecking order. This past year, we punched above our weight. Maybe it’ll end up leading to a more permanent bump in weight class. Maybe it’ll prove ephemeral. We’ll see.

You can’t compare it to our basketball program, which has long been the crown jewel of IU’s athletic program. While it’s been at a higher place in the pecking order of basketball, it’s fallen as the result of a series of bad decisions that is still going on.

 

[Kyser123]

Let's try 2 years..... no reason to be melodramatic.

Or we can play the game that IU just isn't "committed to winning".... which seems the latest gibberish from the $5 fan club.

Same bs defense of Crean and that went 9 years.

 

[Kyser123]

And what needs to happen in the next 2 years ? What bar have you set, making the tournament?

 

[twenty02]

Not a game, twenty. It’s the truth. That lack of commitment permeates throughout the entire program. It did before we hired Archie. It’s done so since. In fact, it’s probably gotten worse since he came here.

Just as the players aren’t held accountable for their repeated failures, the coaches aren’t held accountable for theirs. There’s no complaining. There’s no exasperation. It’s just....accepted. On to the next failure.

Things are going so swimmingly that even the coaching staff’s defenders here are openly talking about how much more time he will get. That’s one hell off an endorsement.

I already provided you my comments on that..... and why I believe it to be nonsensical.

 

[Al Bino]

Not a game, twenty. It’s the truth. That lack of commitment permeates throughout the entire program. It did before we hired Archie. It’s done so since. In fact, it’s probably gotten worse since he came here.

Just as the players aren’t held accountable for their repeated failures, the coaches aren’t held accountable for theirs. There’s no complaining. There’s no exasperation. It’s just....accepted. On to the next failure.

What examples do you have that everything is "just....accepted"?

Is it just the fact that the AD or official statements from IU don't criticize Archie? Or is there more?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I already provided you my comments on that..... and why I believe it to be nonsensical.

And as I said to Aloha, the evidence favors my view — not yours. I wish it didn’t, but it does. It’s all right there before all our eyes. Just because there are people who either refuse to see it or refuse to be honest with themselves about it doesn’t make it go away.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

And as I said to Aloha, the evidence favors my view — not yours. I wish it didn’t, but it does. It’s all right there before all our eyes. Just because there are people who either refuse to see it or refuse to be honest with themselves about it doesn’t make it go away.

I don't believe the evidence favors your view at all. I thought we agreed to disagree.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

What examples do you have that everything is "just....accepted"?

Is it just the fact that the AD or official statements from IU don't criticize Archie? Or is there more?

Well, sure, that’s part of it. But, ultimately, actions speak louder than words. I’d be fine with the deafening silence if there were actions taken to demonstrate that the PTBs find the situation as unacceptable as it clearly is.

But we get neither actions nor words. And that suggests acceptance.

 

[Al Bino]

Well, sure, that’s part of it. But, ultimately, actions speak louder than words. I’d be fine with the deafening silence if there were actions taken to demonstrate that the PTBs find the situation as unacceptable as it clearly is.

But we get neither actions nor words. And that suggests acceptance.

And if you were one of the PTB, what actions would you take?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I don't believe the evidence favors your view at all. I thought we agreed to disagree.

Well, we’re all entitled to our own opinions. But facts aren’t up for debate.

We’re at best an average team. We’ve never been better than an average team for years - before Archie’s hiring and since. And about the only thing keeping Miller’s record at IU above .500 are Quad 3/4 victories. That’s not my opinion.

The key difference between you and me is that you seem to expect, or at least hope, that things will improve in the future. I don’t have that hope — and that’s because I think we’ve adopted this as our culture. And until we decide to change that culture, we will continue to have similar results.

We tolerate chronic mediocrity on the hope that tomorrow will be a brighter day. But it won’t be until we stop tolerating chronic mediocrity.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

And if you were one of the PTB, what actions would you take?

I would start with benching guys and then cleaning out the roster of those who are not helpful. I would make it absolutely clear to all players and coaches what is expected of them and what the consequences will be if they don’t live up to those expectations.

Our program is in desperate need of a culture of accountability - for players and coaches alike.

I would also communicate these expectations to fans and boosters, so that all of us can have some assurance that (a) there is a competent driver at the wheel, (b) they’re aware that we’ve run off the road, and (c) that they aren’t going to rest until and unless they get the car back on the road.

 

[bang63]

IU fired Bill Mallory after 13 years in 96. Since then, 6 coaches have been at the helm of the football program for an average of 3.6 years, none more than five. (The current coach has been here 3). All have been fired except Hoeppner and Lynch who would have been had they chosen or been able to continue. I know its apples to oranges in terms of priorities, $$ invested, etc. However, what is common is that those coaches all answered to the same AD and administration....and all met the same end or would have.

There seems to be a different dynamic with the basketball coach. Maybe there should be.....but it can't go unnoticed.

Huh? Lynch was released with a year remaining on his contract.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

I would start with benching guys and then cleaning out the roster of those who are not helpful. I would make it absolutely clear to all players and coaches what is expected of them and what the consequences will be if they don’t live up to those expectations.

Our program is in desperate need of a culture of accountability - for players and coaches alike.

I would also communicate these expectations to fans and boosters, so that all of us can have some assurance that (a) there is a competent driver at the wheel, (b) they’re aware that we’ve run off the road, and (c) that they aren’t going to rest until and unless they get the car back on the road.

Lolz. Benching, then booting. That'll do wonders for recruiting. Players are always announcing that they've chosen the school with the coach that will hold them accountable. 18 year olds love being held accountable. Parents love sending their kids to play for coaches who will kick them off the team if they aren't helpful.

I hope you aren't in coaching. I'd hate to deal with the wake of young men's lives you wreck in your pursuit of "accountability."

 

[victorbear]

I could give a flying f—k who the coach is I want IU to succeed!!!

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Huh? Lynch was released with a year remaining on his contract.

not according to the AP article dated 11/28/10 I just read. But it could be fake news I guess?

 

[Birnk403]

Lolz. Benching, then booting. That'll do wonders for recruiting. Players are always announcing that they've chosen the school with the coach that will hold them accountable. 18 year olds love being held accountable. Parents love sending their kids to play for coaches who will kick them off the team if they aren't helpful.

I hope you aren't in coaching. I'd hate to deal with the wake of young men's lives you wreck in your pursuit of "accountability."

This isn’t CYO we’re talking about, it’s P5 college basketball. How you wouldn’t expect players to be accountable is strange. Yes, benching and even, for some, a strong encouragement to move on if they’re unable or unwilling to adhere to the team demands and culture, is part of competing at that level. And it happens at every program, everywhere.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Of course it’s apples and oranges. There’s a pecking order in college sports. That’s not to say that a program can’t ascend or descend. And it’s also not to say that certain teams in certain seasons don’t punch either above or below their weight.

But IU’s football team has long been somewhere near the bottom of the B10 football pecking order. This past year, we punched above our weight. Maybe it’ll end up leading to a more permanent bump in weight class. Maybe it’ll prove ephemeral. We’ll see.

You can’t compare it to our basketball program, which has long been the crown jewel of IU’s athletic program. While it’s been at a higher place in the pecking order of basketball, it’s fallen as the result of a series of bad decisions that is still going on.

I get all of that...My real point is....given that what you say is true re the pecking order....why were those coaches fired...when they were fired? Why the consistent and repeated intolerance for a lack of success at the lower pecking order?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Lolz. Benching, then booting. That'll do wonders for recruiting. Players are always announcing that they've chosen the school with the coach that will hold them accountable. 18 year olds love being held accountable. Parents love sending their kids to play for coaches who will kick them off the team if they aren't helpful.

I hope you aren't in coaching. I'd hate to deal with the wake of young men's lives you wreck in your pursuit of "accountability."

At which time I point once again to the example of Jahvon Quinerly. You think Jay Wright is the least bit worried about the consequences — recruiting or otherwise — of benching a 5-star recruit who he thought was a cancer to his team?

Jay Wright runs that program. Jahvon Quinerly didn’t. And now he’s off to Alabama...and Villanova will be better off without him.

What we’ve been doing hasn’t worked. It’s time to change what we’re doing.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I get all of that...My real point is....given that what you say is true re the pecking order....why were those coaches fired...when they were fired? Why the consistent and repeated intolerance for a lack of success at the lower pecking order?

Well, FWIW, I strongly disagreed with the decision to fire Mallory...just because we weren’t going to Rose Bowls. It was preposterous to think that should’ve been our measuring stick.

And the football program suffered for many years after that.

Goals need to be hard to get to, but also within reach.

 

[bang63]

not according to the AP article dated 11/28/10 I just read. But it could be fake news I guess?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=5860140

 

[Harpo Marxist]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=5860140

so we can agree that Lynch was fired? Well, alrighty then.......