I like it. I’m really not sure what he will want for himself. This will take some time to sink in. He’s pretty resourceful and has a lot of friends so I know some type of opportunity will present itself. I just don’t know what he’s capable of in the short and long term.
So I found out today......
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They essentially already operate as an eat what you kill office.
He has a case load that is very specialized. Probably not more than a few in the country can take over his open cases. He specializes in wine litigation cases that represent both wineries and consumers. Here’s a quick little synopsis of his landmark case that went to the Supreme Court:
On June 26, 2019, by 7-2, the Supreme Court made it clear that states cannot prohibit interstate shipping direct to consumers by a business licensed to sell wine solely to protect in-state licensed businesses.
He’s been active in these cases for a good 20 years. It’s possible he could serve as an expert witness after retirement.
Truthfully I have no idea how many attorney have similar cases or could take over counsel. I like to think he’s a rare bird.
Sometimes he takes payment in wine. He’s got quite the wine cellar.
I’d love to have a beer or three with your dad. . We are the same vintage, but he packed a lot more into his weeks than I did. I hung ‘em up at 77. It was a helluva part.y.
That’s how we operated as a corporation. If you don’t work, you might eat spam- depending on rainmaking.. Compensation and equity was by a very complicated formula that drove our bookkeepers crazy.
I did construction contract and litigation work for two large public entities. My special conditions to the standard AIA stuff were a gem. We had a lot of leverage because no fear of nonpayment. I took full advantage.
He'd be more likely to share a ridicoulsy expensive bottle of wine. Gotta drink them while you're alive.
That’s not easy. When I started a firm with one of my best buds I was doing pie in the sky stuff. He was third in billing nationwide at a firm called Bryan cave here. He brought business and was doing contract business shit while I was doing again pie in the sky shit and we split everything 50/50.
My hey dude. I need a check. I’m cutting out for happy hour and I might be judging a bikini contest at hooters tomorrow got old I’m sure
Has to be a good fit or just eat what you kill and split expenses
Absolutely. We need another octogenarian lawyer.
I refused to sign the original shareholders agreement that was offered me. It took 5 well-educated lawyers several years to reach agreement on a new agreement. Many knock-down-drag -outs, but we stuck together because we deserved each other.
My taste in wine is binary, I like it or I don’t. If I like it, I couldn’t guess the value.
I love it 🤣.I refused to sign the original shareholders agreement that was offered me. It took 5 well-educated lawyers several years to reach agreement on a new agreement. Many knock-down-drag -outs, but we stuck together because we deserved each other.
He's always told me the best wine is what you enjoy. It doesn't matter how expensive that wine is.
I thereafter got offered a gig running a dept. old small firm. About 35-40 lawyers. 8 partners. Head guy and I were very close. Was horrible. All 8 of us on constantly changing deals, percentages, endless fights. Associates who were old and getting pieces of shit. Some had their own secret truck patches. Every day was a fight. Made it miserable. On top of horrible clientsI refused to sign the original shareholders agreement that was offered me. It took 5 well-educated lawyers several years to reach agreement on a new agreement. Many knock-down-drag -outs, but we stuck together because we deserved each other.
From now on out, we will dedicate book club to the legendary Poppa Eppy
My late father-in-law was of a similar constitution. He was an accountant for the Hunt family businesses in Texas (big oil tycoons, patriarch Lamar Hunt, original owner of the KC Chiefs nee Dallas Texans). My FIL worked into his early 80s but some cognitive decline was becoming apparent and he was asked to retire. He had said he'd never retire and was of a similar mindset.
He did find some post-retirement activities he enjoyed, mostly church related, and lived to 93. Around 90 we had to take away the car keys. It was becoming a Mr. Magoo situation and some innocent person was going to get hurt. It was tough getting through to him.
Good luck with your Dad.
He did find some post-retirement activities he enjoyed, mostly church related, and lived to 93. Around 90 we had to take away the car keys. It was becoming a Mr. Magoo situation and some innocent person was going to get hurt. It was tough getting through to him.
Good luck with your Dad.
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Thank you for your story. Your dad seems like a great guy that was asset to his company. Did you have to tell him to retire or did the company?
My father-in-law. I think the company nudged him hard, but with some help from the family side also. They were fairly tactful, giving him a timeframe (a year or so, or maybe 6 mo.??) to coach up others to take over all of his duties. Sounds like your Dad isn't getting any such runway, unfortunately. Or maybe your Dad's firm first tried a gentler / more subtle approach and he wasn't having any of it.
Well, he’s sort of the boss or at least the last remaining founder. The issue is if he commits malpractice it puts the rest of the attorneys in jeopardy or losing there malpractice insurance. He has been getting some hints over the last 2 years to slow down or not take any new cases. Hes pretty hard headed.
We’re planning to break the news Wednesday. My brother and I discussed the possible outcomes of emotions. He’s either going to be pissed, in denial, sad, or worried. We’ve already eliminated happy.
He’s someone that likes to be in control so this will be completely new for him.
My mother-in-law tried to set up a retirement party and my FIL would have none of it. She did talk up the idea of now finally being able to travel more to see grandkids, visit national parks, etc. and that he can plan this trips. That may have warmed him up at least a little.
You got this dude. Have a cup of coffee and a Pall Mall--relax and know you are doing the right thing.
You don't know my wife. They lose money on us. Every time she goes to Florida, she has them hook up the battery on the car she had disconnected last time she was there.
Then runs out of gas. Then runs the battery down. Then calls them when she has a low tire. Then calls them to unlock the car when she's locked the keys in the car.
I can't believe they don't throw on additional charges.
Tell your dad I retired from lawing and it was the best thing I ever did. No worrying about other peoples problems is awesome.
@mcmurtry66 I see a life changing opportunity for you here. Since Eppy's dad is one of the few in the country who can litigate this area, you volunteer to be his understudy. Eppy's dad mentors you and you do the legal work at his direction for a year or two.
Trips to Italy and Frence are mandatory for your 'training'. You impress their legal communities with your futbol skilz. You are the toast of Paris and Rome!
This is gold, I"m telling you.
Stay strong Eppy, even if it gets harrowing. Lay out his options, but make sure he knows that the status quo isn't one of them.
Well….the man is pretty much in denial. We told him a couple of his partners called us with some concerns. He stopped us to say he knew exactly what we were talking about. He assured us everything is fine and just had a big win in court.
I then told him you’re walking into a meeting tomorrow and they’re going to ask you to retire. He said fine, take my name off the door and I’ll join another firm or set up my own shop.
I told him they have concerns about cognitive decline or if you’re just now acting your age. I told him he has a responsibility to himself, his family and his clients to get a clean bill of health.
He certainly didn’t show any anger. He said he’s not worried and he’s a big boy and can handle this. I guess his reaction made it much easier to pass along the message. No tears. I’d kill to be a fly on the wall in that room.
I’ll keep you all posted.
I then told him you’re walking into a meeting tomorrow and they’re going to ask you to retire. He said fine, take my name off the door and I’ll join another firm or set up my own shop.
I told him they have concerns about cognitive decline or if you’re just now acting your age. I told him he has a responsibility to himself, his family and his clients to get a clean bill of health.
He certainly didn’t show any anger. He said he’s not worried and he’s a big boy and can handle this. I guess his reaction made it much easier to pass along the message. No tears. I’d kill to be a fly on the wall in that room.
I’ll keep you all posted.
We’ll message him for the Auburn annual. I’m sorry it didn’t go as you wished eppy but you’re dealing with a cocksman. Is what it is
I don’t think it’s a power play. Everyone wants him to have a soft landing. They seem to think he may have committed malpractice and could put the rest in jeopardy. He doesn’t see it that way.
Moby Dick is an impossible read. I had to read it in high school English. Brutal. Entire passages with detailed descriptions of ropes and knots on sailing ships.
Well, there are some real life uses there. Could have just bought them a book on sailing knots and ties.
Thanks for checking in….i don’t want to make this a long post so I’ll just say it went enough. Assuming he medically clears he may opt to just take his name off the door and get malpractice insurance for himself. He’s def not interested in hanging it up. He was never angry when we told him, he said he was a big boy and could handle this meeting. So that’s what he did. This will continue to be a fluid situation.
