she so wrong

[IUNorth]

D1 in its entirety-the field for the tournament.

Drake has played 1 quad1 game and beat Vanderbilt. They lost 2 to Illinois Chicago. Completely different level of competition at IU.

He's 26-3 against D1 peers. And is doing so with a roster that relies heavily on guys that only had D2 experiences before this year.

I'm not saying its a guarantee he'd be 26-3 at IU, and do it with non B10 level players...but its not some fantasy, optimistic, take to say he'd fill his first IU roster with a good amount of P4 level players, probably including Stirtz... And again, not saying year 1 he wins 90% of his games... but if he "dropped off" similar to what Archie did, because of the difference in style, athletes, etc... jumping up to IU, what would that end up looking like?... its hard to think he'd drop as far as Archie did.

Archie's hype was based on one tournament run and a couple 25 win seasons. Those are "bad years" on McCollum's resume.

 

[CriticArisen]

Archie’s last season at Dayton he beat-
Alabama
Iowa
Vanderbilt
Arkansas
Miami

In February he was ranked 15th in the country and was 24-2 with much harder schedule.

By the way IU dropped from 56 to 57 NET as of today while Nebraska steady at 54.

But for comparison IU has played 15 quad1 games thus far and 2 more likely.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Different times. Archie is obviously the one that should give everyone pause, and hopefully give some insight to Dolson on the importance of matching the personality, the style, the philosophy...everything...to both the specific job of coaching at Indiana, but also just being successful coaching high major basketball, right now, in general.

McCollum always ends up being the "Archie-comp"... And maybe for the exercise I listed above...that'll be the reason he isn't considered by Dolson...if he isn't. But McCollum does NOT equal Archie... Archie showed that he'd win less than 70% of his games...McCollum wins over 80 percent of his. Archie proved he doesn't consistently win his conference. McCollum won at least a share of his conference title his last 11 years at NWM...and looks to be doing the same at Drake this year. And then Archie had 1 NCAA tournament "run". McCollum won 4 National Titles... So...McCollum, to me, has mitigated some of those risks by how proficient and dominant he has been against his peers. A fall off for McCollum because he "Archie's" the job at IU...won't mean he misses the NCAA tournament...it means he won't win 80% of his games...instead, maybe 65%??? And to him...yes, that' will be failure. His failure would be the best coaching job we've seen since RMK.

And then if its not McCollum...all the rest of the guys mentioned regularly as the guys that are a tier below Beard and May... they've all proven that they'll win consistently at the P4 level.

AND...AND... IU has never had a solid basketball coach during the NIL/Portal era. And none of the "B tier" guys listed have ever had IU's resources.

Agree!! No Cronin, Brownell or Buzz. I'll have to look further at Smart, but probably no to him as well.

 

[IUNorth]

Archie’s last season at Dayton he beat-
Alabama
Iowa
Vanderbilt
Arkansas
Miami

In February he was ranked 15th in the country and was 24-2 with much harder schedule.

By the way IU dropped from 56 to 57 NET as of today while Nebraska steady at 54.

But for comparison IU has played 15 quad1 games thus far and 2 more likely.

His last couple teams at Dayton were good, no doubt.

Your facts are a little off...he was never 24-2, at any point, at Dayton. But he was close to that both his last two seasons...

He beat all those teams you mentioned over his last 2 years, not singularly in his last year.

And he also had losses in those seasons to teams like Chattanooga, LaSalle, Rhode Island, St Joe, UMass, George Washington, Davidson

We can go back and forth on all this all we want. Archie had a couple good years at Dayton. Dayton, at the time, was a tick above what Drake is, in terms of the hierarchy of college basketball. We'll see if Drake makes any noise this year in the NCAA, or even if they get there in the first place.

But man...12 straight conference championships. Over 80% lifetime winning percentage. 4 national titles. Multiple NCOY awards. And now 26-3 at his first D1 stop. And then now further evidence that Archie probably isn't a consistently good basketball coach, after all, from his Rhode Island teams performances...

I get the urge to compare the two...but they aren't comparable.

 

[CriticArisen]

His last couple teams at Dayton were good, no doubt.

Your facts are a little off...he was never 24-2, at any point, at Dayton. But he was close to that both his last two seasons...

He beat all those teams you mentioned over his last 2 years, not singularly in his last year.

And he also had losses in those seasons to teams like Chattanooga, LaSalle, Rhode Island, St Joe, UMass, George Washington, Davidson

We can go back and forth on all this all we want. Archie had a couple good years at Dayton. Dayton, at the time, was a tick above what Drake is, in terms of the hierarchy of college basketball. We'll see if Drake makes any noise this year in the NCAA, or even if they get there in the first place.

But man...12 straight conference championships. Over 80% lifetime winning percentage. 4 national titles. Multiple NCOY awards. And now 26-3 at his first D1 stop. And then now further evidence that Archie probably isn't a consistently good basketball coach, after all, from his Rhode Island teams performances...

I get the urge to compare the two...but they aren't comparable.

Here it is he beat all those teams 2015 2016 but you are right about record he was 25-7 pre tournament and ranked 15th in February

Scores
Bama 80~48
Iowa 82-77
Vbilt 72 67
Arkansas 85 81
Miami (OH) 64 63. I left out the OH before

2015-16 Dayton Flyers Men's Schedule and Results | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Check out the detailed 2015-16 Dayton Flyers Schedule and Results for College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

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I don’t think any mistakes at sports reference but could be.

 

[ge-off]

Brownell, Buzz, Cronin, Smart.....all of these guys are proven winners at big-time programs. Maybe not big-time in the terms that most of us like to think of our program, but all are qualified IMO. None of them are the "home-run, sexy, splashy" hire that many of us wanted, but in three or four years, I could see many walking back some of their comments being made as of late.

I don't think Stevens is in play, although his remarks were NOT "hard no". Sure he's happy at the Celtics. Sure, on that particular day, he didn't think he was a candidate. Still don't see it happening, tho. There has not been very much smoke around Few and Donovan like the last couple of trips around the coaching carousel so I don't think either one of those are in play. Sounds like Beard is a no-go, so that means Pitino is as well. I would be surprised if Drew would come here after turning down UK.

That pretty well leaves TJO, the above mentioned group, or take another "Archie Miller" chance with the McCulloms of the world.

I would take TJO, Brownell, Buzz Williams, Mick Cronin, Shaka Smart in that order.

My gawd! Just reading that list makes me want to just hire Alford! What the hell has Brownell done to earn this job? Same with Williams! Has anyone sat and listened to Buzz WillIms talk! He is Crean 2.0.

 

[ge-off]

Byington has proven more than any of those except Cronin. Won at JMU and is winning in the best conference this year, yet he is hardly mentioned.