His post game comments about presidents , AD, and coached, along with investing for the results you want were spot on.
Seth Greenberg
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Said IU was a disappointment so we can all agree Archie had talent but was not good this year. Yes Langford underachieved but so did the coaching.. Next year if he don't get IU in the dance he is gone look at Cal just fired coach after 3 seasons..
Yeah, I still think he gets one more year.
If he misses the tournament again, it would be incredibly hard to justify keeping him on. It might even still be hard if we don’t do better than merely making the field.
This season was a huge letdown. And I think he needs to acknowledge that, own it, and take responsibility for remedying it.
Guarantee he’s talking about how great WSU shot the ball, etc. not a lot of confidence in our staff. I really think any of us could’ve coached this team to this record.
That's the problem with this board...too many are convinced of this total b.s.
Id have called timeouts before 17-0
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especially before the 22+ to Rutgers
Not to mention not getting browbeat out of every timeout all season long...by every coach!
You couldn't coach a goose to shit in a parking lot.
He was “browbeat out of ever timeout all season long”?
That’s your analysis? Do you work in a salt mine?
I have every confidence that you could've achieved a 1-12 record over that 13 game stretch.
It's going 18-4 over the remaining 22 games that makes me think you are talking out of your ass.
I just hope Mr Glass understands if we miss tournament again next season and there are not major recruits coming in then Miller should be gone .. Hell Drew is out after 3 years at Vandy..
old cougar 77 must not realize I was national geese shi$$$ting in the parking lot coach of the year twice. It’s a lot like IU hoops...take patience because it’s a very long process. But what really made the difference was when I got “my type of geese”. The geese had very low parking lot shi$$&ting IQ, but once I got geese that fit my parking lot shi$)))ting system , I became an elite coach. I’m sure it will be the same the IU hoops.
That is Vandy you're talking about. They have expectations down there. Fred's only expectation is to make money and we have too many mesmerized fans who will keep showing up no matter what.
Wichita was not known for being a good 3 point shooting team yet they come to AH and hit 11.... figures.
Of course, our lazy defense of those shooters helped.
Seth Greenberg is Crean's buddy. Seth Greenberg was emcee of IU Hoosier Hysteria when Tom Crean was coaching at IU. Greenberg seems to have an axe to grind with IU. Between Seth Greenberg and Dan Dakich ESPN gives negative media coverage of IU. Thank God for Sage Steele.
Yes. He purposely went after One and Dones to any school that does not collect a whole team of one and dones so they are all on the same page. Purposely attacking IU since their game was just over. I completely disagree with Greenberg. Any One and Done player can join a team that is already a contender and the star one and done player can lead them to a National Title. I would call that, "All on the same page". Carmelo Anthony immediately comes to mind. Hey Greenberg, your buddy Crean sucked as a coach and was fired from IU for his incompetence. Which also includes you and Dakich who would be coaching right now if you were good enough to hire.
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When I see ESPN I see Greenberg and Dakich who were failed coaches who now want to pass themselves off as technical experts on the game. They sucked then as coaches, and they suck now as commentators. Using their national platforms to take digs at schools that either they or their friends feel like they were given an unfair shake, is an abuse of their national media power. Hey Greenberg and Dakich, you hate on IU, and I will hate on you. Simple as that.
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In the wake of the debacle of hanging on to Crean for longer than they should have, I think the pressure to act quickly is going to be intense.
Hopefully, we’ll have a good season and it’ll be moot. I’d much rather things work out with Archie than to go through another coaching change. But I can’t see any way he could survive three bad seasons in a row.
Yes..............he should be on the hot seat. Another year like this, and he has 0 credibility left. He inherited problems, but he's getting paid a lot to fix them.
It was a poor excuse for Miles as well........
Nebraska's problem was zero depth. A very nice first 4 players, but any injury to 1/4 was going to kill them. So....ultimately the roster is the coach's problem, whatever the reasons, as Collins is now finding out at NW.
I think he needed to sit players, as Marshall did last night, all year long if necessary to get his point across. Even if it blew this season up. And then, at the end of the year, dump any players that were still not on board. No reason to call anyone out publicly, just relentless & consistent discipline. Didn't happen.
Yes......f*** Dock Itch. Did you hear that crap last night about Rob's 'hook & hold' at the foul line?
I don't care that the guy wants to promote himself, but this bs about Assembly Hall calls, when NO other commentator talks about home court calls elsewhere, is over the line. F*** him.
Gotta admit, this was one of the issues I had with Archie. Why did it take until Minnesota until "major changes" took place? Have heard snipets of a possible "can't rip the players" that could have come down from the Administration/Fred, but have no idea if that was the cause or not.
One thing is clear: Going forward, these are your guys. All of them. By mid-season of next year you're either getting the effort production you want or it's on you. If Archie keeps someone it ought to be made clear that a standard of play is expected and falling short of that standard will not be tolerated.
Yes.........I thought Archie was, at heart, a tough but fair guy. ......but it seems like he has tried for 2 years to massage these effort/attitude issues rather than addressing them head on. He kinda takes a 'move along, nothing to see here' approach. 2 years with no end in sight is a long time to wait to 'change the culture'.
Next season anything less then 20 wins is a disappointment. We will have a very good backcourt hopefully Smith takes a leap forward and Davis and Jackson should be very good inside.
I don't think that is the problem. I think the problem comes in when you build a foundation with a one and done. I think you have to have a foundation in place and fill gaps with one and dones. That is a recipe for success. When we have no foundation and expect 2 guys to carry the team, its false hope. I think next year is still a building year but NEEDS to be an NCAA tournament team. Then I think we should have a solid foundation and adding a one and done in the mix who doesn't also have to be a leader, will be fine.
I see nothing that tells me Smith will take a leap forward. We waited on Perea to to take that leap forward, and it never came.
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You've hit the main issue I have with CAM & this season. Why did it take losing 12 of 13 before "drastic measures" and why were these measures only regarding attitude? Is IU running a basketball day camp or a D1 team? (Don't answer that, I may not like the truth). Nevertheless, why does it take a coach is trying to establish his culture and system this long to publicly react? Either he or the AD is the answer to that, and I am thinking it is more the latter.
I cant believe that picture to be real...thats got to be some edit or something...No, but he can coach them to $h!t in Memorial Stadium....
I may be way off base, but CAM strikes me as a guy who would much rather coach blue collar/lunch pail/run through a brick wall guys he has personally vetted and recruited. He inherited Crean's group, who I think were never pushed, and then, to top it all off, he was put in a position that he pretty much had to recruit and win RL. Not saying RL is a problem, but I think he is the opposite of what CAM is used to. Not only was RL an Indiana high school legend for years, but he was one of the more important recruits in recent memory, and a coach has to have some major touch to push those kinds of players without bruising the ego, or risk the opposite, which is to coddle the star which pisses off the other players. Then there are the RMK's of the world who treat them all at the same level of crap (this is not a bad thing), so everyone comes together in the shared hardship. Granted, this may not be CAM's strength AT THIS TIME. He has three options, in my opinion:
1. Learn how to handle the stars and not lose the rest of the team
2. Only recruit non-stars, but coach well enough to get them to overachieve to IU expectations
3. Go back to a school where he won't have to worry about coaching stars and build a program that is a thorn in everyone's side.
I like CAM a lot, and I think he will figure it out, but I think this year was a perfect storm of injuries, delicate personalities, learning on the job, poor shooting, and the remnants of Crean's poor recruiting strategy.
