Polls show a majority of the country was against Roe and Casey being overturned.
Why not just draw a line down the middle and be done with it? Both sides get half of what they want.
Serious question for Pro Life folks
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Why not just draw a line down the middle and be done with it? Both sides get half of what they want.
What about fetal viability and extreme defects detected during the 20 week testing?
We’re starting off topic, but I can tell you from firsthand experience that sex crimes are VERY difficult to prosecute. People walk all the time. If there were a penalty for the woman for a NG verdict, that’s pretty tough.
And you’d very rarely be able to prove there wasn’t a rape either. It sounds good but isn’t terribly practical.
Well how's that either/or situation working out? Not so good in my opinion. Coincidently on the flip side the "my body my choice" conveniently leaves out the body inside yours. And it's not just the female's choice, it's also the babies, and the father and your god.
Hey I appreciate your discussion on this and what seems like mixed signals from some on the right. But I get just as many if not more questions on the lefts behavior. In the end it's about killing kids and saving some but not all. This just might be the best possible solution.
Sedasky, appreciate your post but wonder how politicians write abortion laws about "kids" when the question about when a potential "kid" becomes a "kid" depends on a variety of factors.
Factors which include political party, church affiliation, gender, age, life experiences, and the list goes on.
Of the factors, party affiliation upsets me the most. Decisions which are so controversial and affect lives so profoundly should be above politics in my perfect world.
There was that episode of South Park where that 9 year old girl on the WTF wrestling show was addicted to abortions.
Well, you know, that pesky Indianapolis Star has always been such a radical leftwing newspaper. Who could ever trust the Indianapolis Star to accurately reflect the views of a 70% red state? LOL.
Here's a hint: a pregnant 10-year-old girl in Ohio has always been raped.
If you don't understand this, then ask your mom.
IMHO, life begins at conception, or even before if you believe “God had a plan for us all”. There is no justifiable reason for abortion to exist, but I’ll grant an exception for rape or incest in the 1st trimester, or for severe deformity of the fetus up to 24 weeks. I don’t agree with it, but if that would put the political issue to bed (which it wouldn’t), I could live with it as a political solution.
I would still grieve for the fetus/baby that was aborted due to rape that may have grown up to be a great civil rights leader, the woman that cured cancer, or just a good person.
I would still grieve for the fetus/baby that was aborted due to rape that may have grown up to be a great civil rights leader, the woman that cured cancer, or just a good person.
With that said, I would be all for flooding the system with whatever amount of funds it takes to support these children and the single mothers. The economic priorities would change. Churches would lose their tax exempt status, multi millionaires would be cited for even thinking aloud about the lazy taking their hard earned money. Socialism, to a degree, would be real.
What if you don’t believe in God? Why does your religion take precedence? Jewish and Muslim religions don’t believe life begins until the first breath is taken.
Yeah, I don’t claim to have all the answers or even if my opinion is correct. It’s just my opinion, and why this issue is so difficult to find a solution. I do respect other religions and women’s rights. And there’s a side of me that believes a woman has the right to make the choice, and deal with the religious (or non religious) aspect of it in their own private way.
Science doesn’t support that position. Are you supporting the elected Democrats’ de facto position of no abortion restrictions until birth?
The Democrat's de facto position is restoration of Roe, as it was being interpreted for 50 years, which carries with it many restrictions. You know that, though, and are apparently being willfully dense.
that’s a huge part of the issue. Another question I can’t figure out is, how is a “person” defined? If a fetus isn’t going to survive but is carried to term, was it ever a person? I always think of a person as self-sustaining, but realize others don’t
No it isn't. You've not paid attention to the votes of elected Democrats over the past three decades. They vote against any and every restriction on abortion at any point in the pregnancy. This is a fact.
While it makes sense to take that approach from a religious standpoint, personally, I am not religious so the question I have is what is humane? Too much emphasis to me is put on whether a fetus is a person. Because a dog is not a person, do we not have to treat it humanely? Is it ok to kill it or cause it to suffer if it isn’t wanted? The fact is that at @ 20 weeks a fetus will feel pain, so is it ok to inflict suffering on it, or any living creature due to inconvenience, albeit a significant one?
Probably because this is the first step of taking away more rights from the pro-rights party. Don’t they say the same about guns?
The Star has been owned by Gannet since 2000. Gannet is not a right-oriented media company by any measure.
BTW, Gannet lost a net $119,000,000 USD in 2019.....
A winner for sure.
Is bacteria found on Mars 'life'?
'Science' says so...
But there's a 'question' whether a viable human baby is life?
Have you had a chance to show your children an abortion video and then explain why you support abortion?
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It is probably more accurate to think of "personhood" as something measured on a continuum, not a binary state of being.
The same could be said for whether "a life" is deserving of state protection. Put another way, something can be a life and not be a person. Or something can be a life and deserving of some govt. protections, but not all.
Have you had a chance to explain to your children why you are a Nazi?
Wait. Didn’t I just show you the vote where some Democrats voted for restrictions ?
If you're Aloha, you can't let pesky facts get in the way of a good partisan rant.
Start your own thread questions of pro choice folks if you’d like.
This one is a serious question trying to square a moral circle.
It's telling that the pro-choice people always want to discuss the morality of the edge cases and not the morality of the girl that forgot to take her birth control or the couple that decided to go with the pull out method, or the other scenarios that make up the make up 99% of abortions that are abortion of convenience.
I just want to understand how people reconcile being okay with exceptions to abortion bans. What I’ve seen so far is that people do so as more of a means of practicality than anything else, which is fine.
It isn't going to happen, but i wish state legislators would take testimony from experienced male and female obstetricians and gynecologists who have a history of dealing with pregnancies.
A female obstetrician who had assisted in the birth to over 200 babies gave a lecture to a group to which I belong of seniors with various political and religious affiliations. Much of the lecture dealt with mothers who chose abortion along the risks of abortions. She also explained all the complications and risks involved with full term pregnancies.
Following the lecture, those in attendance had a group discussion. Practically everyone who spoke up admitted the lecture altered their perceptions to at least some degree about abortion and pregnancy in general. Many of the men commented about not realizing the mental and physical anxieties mothers can face after becoming pregnant.
A female obstetrician who had assisted in the birth to over 200 babies gave a lecture to a group to which I belong of seniors with various political and religious affiliations. Much of the lecture dealt with mothers who chose abortion along the risks of abortions. She also explained all the complications and risks involved with full term pregnancies.
Following the lecture, those in attendance had a group discussion. Practically everyone who spoke up admitted the lecture altered their perceptions to at least some degree about abortion and pregnancy in general. Many of the men commented about not realizing the mental and physical anxieties mothers can face after becoming pregnant.
It’s also telling that the forces birth folks want to talk about the 1% of abortions in the last trimester.
33 Democratic Senators… good heavens if we could get that many to agree on anything these days, it would be a miracle.
What I stated is a fact.
WTH? Read what I responded to and what I wrote. I didn’t say what you seem to think I said.
Life begins at conception but cannot maintain itself in the progression towards being born unless it is successfully implanted on the uterus.
Many are naturally aborted (miscarriage) after conception and before implantation.
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Sorry confused two posts… life beginning at conception via religious doctrine that says life begins at first breath.
This is a non-answer to the points I raised. I didn’t mention life at conception in any context & don’t see the relevance to my post, which you responded to…
I started to respond to yours then responded to another. My response is above about trimester.
Well, I guess the Star was right and those doubting the story were wrong.
Arrest made in rape of Ohio girl that led to Indiana abortion drawing international attention
The man was arraigned in Ohio. The case has led to national attention in the abortion debate following the Supreme Court decision on Roe v. Wade.
www.dispatch.com
