Send CMW packing

[FormerRevMatt]

We’ve seen enough. Get Dusty here now. No transfer guard with half a brain comes here next year unless we’re paying 7 figures.

Wut? I mean, the game last night was terrible. Beyond terrible, actually, but IU is 11-5 and 3-2 in the conference.

Dolson just gave Woody a RAISE after last season.

It ain't happening. It's one thing to vent after a very bad game. It's another to speculate who you're going to replace him with after firing the coach in mid-season. LOL.

Unless Woody leaves on his own at some point, he will get at least one more year to make things work out. He's a legend at IU and they will be very careful how they handle him.

Who knows? Maybe he'll get things turned around? If he could get one or two shooters in the off-season, this team could look completely different next year...

 

[mushroomgod_1]

It's good to hear that you and others have discussed this. I would hate to make rash judgements about a 2nd year player only 40 games (335 mins of playing time) into his college career. (eye roll)

What was factually incorrect about what I wrote? You said you think he can "really contribute if given consistent minutes". Let me know with some specificity what you've seen from him that leads you to that conclusion.

 

[ams66]

It seldom works…

Doherty: North Carolina
Ewing: Georgetown
Mullins: St. John’s
Drexler: Houston
Howard: Michigan
Payne: Louisville
Jordan and Miller: Butler

Let's be honest, most coaches don't work, if you define "works" as top 25 rankings, repeated conference championships, tournament runs, and national titles. Most coaches won't achieve those things often if at all over their entire careers. It just highlights how much RMK was an exception, as are the relative handful of coaches who can be talked about alongside of him.

 

[Indymoon]

What was factually incorrect about what I wrote? You said you think he can "really contribute if given consistent minutes". Let me know with some specificity what you've seen from him that leads you to that conclusion.

Factually incorrect? In reality, it was your opinion and it's based upon a limited sample size primarily as a freshman playing big time basketball. All I'm saying is that we should give the guy a few consistent minutes - I don't expect him to be a scorer - and a chance to grow and develop before kicking him to the curb. And, admittedly, that's only my opinion.

 

[Bucket Getter]

I mean are we really going to waste more years? Woody was right for the time. We needed an Adult who respected the brand.

But we’re in dire times as there’s now multiple generations 40 and under who have never seen any real success. We will lose the fanbase and brand just like UCLA did.

We’ve seen with football money isn’t an issue. Give Woody some PR job at IU and let him retire in a few years. Praying we get transfers is basically the philosophy. ☹️

Does Woody actually “respect the brand”?

 

[kmathum]

Does Woody actually “respect the brand”?

Yeah. The NBA brand.

 

[IUNorth]

Not unlike Woody, it looks like you forgot about Kaleb Banks. I think he (and Walker) can really contribute if given consistent minutes.

Didn't forget about him...and I wouldn't necessarily force him out or anything if I were Woody. But I'm not sure he fits the vision I'm trying to hypothesize about. He isn't particularly skilled, and while he plays hard, I wouldn't call him a "dog". Dogs find ways to make plays, they get rebounds, etc... He's a long, lanky, bouncy, athlete. But he hasn't really been effective on either end of the floor.

Walker has no more eligibility left after this year.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Yeah, there was a time where I think Brownell would've been in the running but Clemson is where good coaches go to die, imo. Backwater and no recruiting area to draw from, no history, other than being abused by the ACC big dogs. I think there's no doubt he can coach, but can he recruit? And, I think he's been off the main stage for too long. I think Dixon is happy in Texas. Right now I think it's May, or Beard or maybe Pearl if the powers that be would consider him. The guy I wonder about is Jay Wright. These guys say they leave for health but then they all seem to still work a heavy TV schedule. I'm sure it's not as stressful or the sheer # of hours, but it still seems like the are around, but not doing, the thing they love.

There's a guy up in Boston...

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

We need Fpeaugh to finally make good on the Billy Donovan information. The Stevens ship has sailed, and maybe Donovan has zero interest coming back to college...and/or has no interest in IU if he is open to college coaching. But he's the only guy I can think of that Dolson should make a move after this season on Woody for. As demoralized and down on the state of our team as I am...itd have to be Donovan, or someone at that level, to justify it, in my opinion.

And obviously, that's incredibly unlikely. So...realistically, we should be thinking about what kinds of players could Woody get to actually be good with...

McNeeley will help...his shooting will be great, but he's more than that...good overall wing...
Daquan Davis would be nice...
Derik Queen would be nice...especially if Ware leaves
Jakai Newton getting fully healthy would help...
I do see CJ Gunn as a bench rotation guy...
Gabe Cupps as a bench rotation guy...
A couple transfer portal "dogs"...Baylor type guard/wings that get it done on both ends...
Malik stays, but isn't asked to guard the perimeter...
Mack stays, but is taught/demanded better defensive principles...
Trey stays...but assumes more of a locker room leadership role, isn't expected to be a main rotation guy.

THAT 10 man rotation could win a lot of games...and probably wouldn't need Woody to coach them up as much as this team needs.

Maybe Cav should invite FPeaugh back. He did add some variety and took the heat. Better to shoot at him that each other.

FPeaugh: "Billy Donavan....It's HAPPENING!!! "

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

There's a guy up in Boston...

Masshole is a dead horse we have to stop beating.

 

[IUNorth]

Wut? I mean, the game last night was terrible. Beyond terrible, actually, but IU is 11-5 and 3-2 in the conference.

Dolson just gave Woody a RAISE after last season.

It ain't happening. It's one thing to vent after a very bad game. It's another to speculate who you're going to replace him with after firing the coach in mid-season. LOL.

Unless Woody leaves on his own at some point, he will get at least one more year to make things work out. He's a legend at IU and they will be very careful how they handle him.

Who knows? Maybe he'll get things turned around? If he could get one or two shooters in the off-season, this team could look completely different next year...

Agreed...he'll get another year, for sure.

Here's what I do if I'm Woody, and we finish the year on a similar path...which would be .500 ish, little less than .500, in the conference, miss the NCAA's.

Decide if any of the guys on your coaching staff are capable of taking on an "offensive or defensive" coordinator role. Spend the rest of this season watching as much college basketball as you possibly can, find an offensive and defensive system you want to emulate (different from what you're doing now, it ain't working). And task an assistant coach to become masters at those philosophies. And use that effort to guide who they recruit the hardest. Examples...Calbert becomes the offensive coordinator...Ya becomes the defensive coordinator...

Its absolutely essential that you've fully established and committed to your new philosophies, before the end of the season. Heck, start trying things out immediately...can't hurt. The point being, you'll have conviction, tape, etc... behind you when you're trying to convince late HS signees and/or portal kids to come play for you...that you're changing your system to a more open/modern style.

I personally would emulate Baylor, Houston, Creighton, UConn...those types of schools.

With all that in place...

Players that will have exhausted their eligibility: Xavier Johnson, Anthony Walker
Players that I think are likely to leave/hang it up: Ware (NBA), Leal
Players I'd fight like hell to get to come back: Reneau, Mgbako, Gunn, Newton, Cupps, McNeeley
Other players that I'm indifferent about: Galloway, Banks, Sparks, any of the walk-ons

Continue to go hard after Daquan Davis and Derik Queen
There are a couple reclass guards that I'd continue to go hard after

Beyond that, while you're watching all those games, and scouring styles of play between now and early March...compile a list of guard/wing "dogs". 20, 30, 40 guys that you'd love to pursue if they became portal options. Once the portal opens up, any of them that are on that list, use your new style approach to recruit any/all of them hard. Take the first few that commit. Don't get hung up on pure shooters/scorers...rather, really good, versatile players, that play hard, that are really good on both ends of the floor, are comfortable with the ball in their hands making plays, that take pride in getting defensive stops, etc...

Next years roster could then look like:

Guards (Ballhandlers): Daquan Davis, Cupps, Transfer starter level guard, Newton
Wings (scorers, defenders, shooters): Mgbako, McNeeley, Gunn, transfer starter level guy, transfer rotation level guy
Bigs: Reneau, Queen, Sparks maybe if he returns

That roster, with a renewed focus on some different styles and principles, could be really good. At a minimum, it'd show that Woody is aware of the programs shortcomings, and is willing to take big steps to fixing them.

If I'm Dolson, I probably don't get in to the weeds to much with my coaches. But if Woody doesn't make some foundational changes after this season (assuming it ends how it seems its going to), no matter if we win a few more games or not next year, that'd be the end for me if I were Dolson.

TONS of conjecture here...the season is basically only half over. But this is a fan message board, conjecture is its wheel house!

 

[Harry Hondo]

There's a guy up in Boston...

.. who will never again coach college basketball.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Agreed...he'll get another year, for sure.

Here's what I do if I'm Woody, and we finish the year on a similar path...which would be .500 ish, little less than .500, in the conference, miss the NCAA's.

Decide if any of the guys on your coaching staff are capable of taking on an "offensive or defensive" coordinator role. Spend the rest of this season watching as much college basketball as you possibly can, find an offensive and defensive system you want to emulate (different from what you're doing now, it ain't working). And task an assistant coach to become masters at those philosophies. And use that effort to guide who they recruit the hardest. Examples...Calbert becomes the offensive coordinator...Ya becomes the defensive coordinator...

Its absolutely essential that you've fully established and committed to your new philosophies, before the end of the season. Heck, start trying things out immediately...can't hurt. The point being, you'll have conviction, tape, etc... behind you when you're trying to convince late HS signees and/or portal kids to come play for you...that you're changing your system to a more open/modern style.

I personally would emulate Baylor, Houston, Creighton, UConn...those types of schools.

With all that in place...

Players that will have exhausted their eligibility: Xavier Johnson, Anthony Walker
Players that I think are likely to leave/hang it up: Ware (NBA), Leal
Players I'd fight like hell to get to come back: Reneau, Mgbako, Gunn, Newton, Cupps, McNeeley
Other players that I'm indifferent about: Galloway, Banks, Sparks, any of the walk-ons

Continue to go hard after Daquan Davis and Derik Queen
There are a couple reclass guards that I'd continue to go hard after

Beyond that, while you're watching all those games, and scouring styles of play between now and early March...compile a list of guard/wing "dogs". 20, 30, 40 guys that you'd love to pursue if they became portal options. Once the portal opens up, any of them that are on that list, use your new style approach to recruit any/all of them hard. Take the first few that commit. Don't get hung up on pure shooters/scorers...rather, really good, versatile players, that play hard, that are really good on both ends of the floor, are comfortable with the ball in their hands making plays, that take pride in getting defensive stops, etc...

Next years roster could then look like:

Guards (Ballhandlers): Daquan Davis, Cupps, Transfer starter level guard, Newton
Wings (scorers, defenders, shooters): Mgbako, McNeeley, Gunn, transfer starter level guy, transfer rotation level guy
Bigs: Reneau, Queen, Sparks maybe if he returns

That roster, with a renewed focus on some different styles and principles, could be really good. At a minimum, it'd show that Woody is aware of the programs shortcomings, and is willing to take big steps to fixing them.

If I'm Dolson, I probably don't get in to the weeds to much with my coaches. But if Woody doesn't make some foundational changes after this season (assuming it ends how it seems its going to), no matter if we win a few more games or not next year, that'd be the end for me if I were Dolson.

TONS of conjecture here...the season is basically only half over. But this is a fan message board, conjecture is its wheel house!

Very nice post.

Beilein's time at Michigan took off when he hired a defensive specialist as an assistant coach, and then stayed out of his way and just ran the offense.

I think if Woodson did the same with an offensive mind and concentrated on recruiting and defense he could have better results. I haven't been impressed with our staff, and it needs a shakeup anyway, imo.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Didn't forget about him...and I wouldn't necessarily force him out or anything if I were Woody. But I'm not sure he fits the vision I'm trying to hypothesize about. He isn't particularly skilled, and while he plays hard, I wouldn't call him a "dog". Dogs find ways to make plays, they get rebounds, etc... He's a long, lanky, bouncy, athlete. But he hasn't really been effective on either end of the floor.

Walker has no more eligibility left after this year.

Banks looks like a guy who could be a 7th or 8th player as a senior on a really good team.

 

[Al Bino]

Dolson just gave Woody a RAISE after last season.

Wasn't that "raise" written into his contract?
If that is the case, Dolson didn't do anything except honor the contract.

 

[demunn]

Was nice to see Ware rebound last night with a hard fought game. A bright note.

Ware is the only one on this team who seems to most consistently hustle and play hard. Too bad he's probably gone after this year.

 

[ndhuntington]

Agreed...he'll get another year, for sure.

Here's what I do if I'm Woody, and we finish the year on a similar path...which would be .500 ish, little less than .500, in the conference, miss the NCAA's.

Decide if any of the guys on your coaching staff are capable of taking on an "offensive or defensive" coordinator role. Spend the rest of this season watching as much college basketball as you possibly can, find an offensive and defensive system you want to emulate (different from what you're doing now, it ain't working). And task an assistant coach to become masters at those philosophies. And use that effort to guide who they recruit the hardest. Examples...Calbert becomes the offensive coordinator...Ya becomes the defensive coordinator...

Its absolutely essential that you've fully established and committed to your new philosophies, before the end of the season. Heck, start trying things out immediately...can't hurt. The point being, you'll have conviction, tape, etc... behind you when you're trying to convince late HS signees and/or portal kids to come play for you...that you're changing your system to a more open/modern style.

I personally would emulate Baylor, Houston, Creighton, UConn...those types of schools.

With all that in place...

Players that will have exhausted their eligibility: Xavier Johnson, Anthony Walker
Players that I think are likely to leave/hang it up: Ware (NBA), Leal
Players I'd fight like hell to get to come back: Reneau, Mgbako, Gunn, Newton, Cupps, McNeeley
Other players that I'm indifferent about: Galloway, Banks, Sparks, any of the walk-ons

Continue to go hard after Daquan Davis and Derik Queen
There are a couple reclass guards that I'd continue to go hard after

Beyond that, while you're watching all those games, and scouring styles of play between now and early March...compile a list of guard/wing "dogs". 20, 30, 40 guys that you'd love to pursue if they became portal options. Once the portal opens up, any of them that are on that list, use your new style approach to recruit any/all of them hard. Take the first few that commit. Don't get hung up on pure shooters/scorers...rather, really good, versatile players, that play hard, that are really good on both ends of the floor, are comfortable with the ball in their hands making plays, that take pride in getting defensive stops, etc...

Next years roster could then look like:

Guards (Ballhandlers): Daquan Davis, Cupps, Transfer starter level guard, Newton
Wings (scorers, defenders, shooters): Mgbako, McNeeley, Gunn, transfer starter level guy, transfer rotation level guy
Bigs: Reneau, Queen, Sparks maybe if he returns

That roster, with a renewed focus on some different styles and principles, could be really good. At a minimum, it'd show that Woody is aware of the programs shortcomings, and is willing to take big steps to fixing them.

If I'm Dolson, I probably don't get in to the weeds to much with my coaches. But if Woody doesn't make some foundational changes after this season (assuming it ends how it seems its going to), no matter if we win a few more games or not next year, that'd be the end for me if I were Dolson.

TONS of conjecture here...the season is basically only half over. But this is a fan message board, conjecture is its wheel house!

Love the optimism but after year one Woodson wanted to do things his way and you see the decline. He won't make his defense easier, he won't recruit shooters, he won't run a modern offense, he doesn't hold players accountable.

 

[bailey777]

Love the optimism but after year one Woodson wanted to do things his way and you see the decline. He won't make his defense easier, he won't recruit shooters, he won't run a modern offense, he doesn't hold players accountable.

I just do not see how anything will change next year or a year after that. He has not changed a thing this year still going through the post and he has no shooters. Why would next year be any different? He spent 40 years in the NBA and that is his mindset. I mean sure you can keep him but I would not expect much the ceiling is probably 20 wins and the round of 64.

 

[ndhuntington]

I think next year indiana will be worse. You might as well start over with a new coach.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It seldom works…

Doherty: North Carolina
Ewing: Georgetown
Mullins: St. John’s
Drexler: Houston
Howard: Michigan
Payne: Louisville
Jordan and Miller: Butler

I listed in another thread 7 former players that had a lot of success at their Alma Maters. One was Branch McCracken.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

MM will be in the portal.

There you go with yet another “he gone” post as if it’s a fact. You should learn the difference between opinions and facts.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Masshole is a dead horse we have to stop beating.

.. who will never again coach college basketball.

That was sarcasm.

 

[ndhuntington]

I listed in another thread 7 former players that had a lot of success at their Alma Maters. One was Branch McCracken.

Not saying it doesn't work but the trajectory of the program is going south fast. Why not start over with a 66 year old man everybody knew this was a stop gap. Next year he will be a lame duck coach who has to turn over his whole roster and implement his beyond confusing defense to a bunch of young new players your just asking for a 10-15 win season in year 4.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

.. who will never again coach college basketball.

I promise, last time I'm ever going to comment on Brad. He's been out of the college game for a long time now. He's never run a program in the age of NIL and instant transfer/portal era. Never coached a high level P5 program...with a rabid, still fractured and very grumpy fanbase. It's not 2011 anymore. But considering the position he's in now....the state of college ball recruiting in the NIL/transfer era....and the general environment surrounding the IU program right now (especially fan ambivalence)...he'd be nuts to ever consider it regardless of the size of the Brinks truck we park in his driveway. Our shot with him was back around the time Cody committed and locked us in with CTC for another 5-6 yrs.

 

[Tru2Irish]

We need Fpeaugh to finally make good on the Billy Donovan information. The Stevens ship has sailed, and maybe Donovan has zero interest coming back to college...and/or has no interest in IU if he is open to college coaching. But he's the only guy I can think of that Dolson should make a move after this season on Woody for. As demoralized and down on the state of our team as I am...itd have to be Donovan, or someone at that level, to justify it, in my opinion.

And obviously, that's incredibly unlikely. So...realistically, we should be thinking about what kinds of players could Woody get to actually be good with...

McNeeley will help...his shooting will be great, but he's more than that...good overall wing...
Daquan Davis would be nice...
Derik Queen would be nice...especially if Ware leaves
Jakai Newton getting fully healthy would help...
I do see CJ Gunn as a bench rotation guy...
Gabe Cupps as a bench rotation guy...
A couple transfer portal "dogs"...Baylor type guard/wings that get it done on both ends...
Malik stays, but isn't asked to guard the perimeter...
Mack stays, but is taught/demanded better defensive principles...
Trey stays...but assumes more of a locker room leadership role, isn't expected to be a main rotation guy.

THAT 10 man rotation could win a lot of games...and probably wouldn't need Woody to coach them up as much as this team needs.

Think the Woody experiment has run its' course. His substitutions hurt at the most important moments. No teaching free throw fundamentals as they are busy smoking cigars in Woody lounge area. Perimeter defense is one of the worst in the nation. 3 point shooting is mostly non-existent except for Malik and Mgbako occassionally. X has been a bust bringing him back. Trey amazes me as a coach's son that he can't shoot well or hit free throws. Cupps tries but his confidence level was better at the start of the season than now. Ware has shown he is not lazy. IU needs 2-3 guards and 2 bigs in next class. Mc neely has talent. Need more like him. AD needs to start evaulating possible head coaches.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Exactly. How many times have we heard, no self respecting coach would come here?

BCG was also reportedly a drunk and a complete asshole.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Think the Woody experiment has run its' course. His substitutions hurt at the most important moments. No teaching free throw fundamentals as they are busy smoking cigars in Woody lounge area. Perimeter defense is one of the worst in the nation. 3 point shooting is mostly non-existent except for Malik and Mgbako occassionally. X has been a bust bringing him back. Trey amazes me as a coach's son that he can't shoot well or hit free throws. Cupps tries but his confidence level was better at the start of the season than now. Ware has shown he is not lazy. IU needs 2-3 guards and 2 bigs in next class. Mc neely has talent. Need more like him. AD needs to start evaulating possible head coaches.

It’s been obvious for a while that the NBA substitution pattern doesn’t work and it’s not necessary. College games are 8 minutes shorter with less than half as many total games. I forgot if it was Evans or Hillman who made the comment about rotations but it was correct. Several teams have consistently won conference titles, FFs and national championships with 7 man rotations and players consistently playing ~35mpg.

 

[IUNorth]

Think the Woody experiment has run its' course. His substitutions hurt at the most important moments. No teaching free throw fundamentals as they are busy smoking cigars in Woody lounge area. Perimeter defense is one of the worst in the nation. 3 point shooting is mostly non-existent except for Malik and Mgbako occassionally. X has been a bust bringing him back. Trey amazes me as a coach's son that he can't shoot well or hit free throws. Cupps tries but his confidence level was better at the start of the season than now. Ware has shown he is not lazy. IU needs 2-3 guards and 2 bigs in next class. Mc neely has talent. Need more like him. AD needs to start evaulating possible head coaches.

I don't believe its run its course. Woody coaching IU basketball in the 2024-25 season is a virtual certainty. So Woody has the rest of this season, this offseason, and next season...at least, to get IU basketball back on track. He did some good things his first 2 years...I repeatedly raised some red flags I had, but overall, he did a decent job. Those red flags are now multiplying, and getting brighter and bigger... But IU bball doesn't cut bait this soon, especially when its with an IU legend like Woodson.

Some of my recent posts have been things I think Woody should do, starting now...but especially this offseason, to improve and modernize his program. He really needs to dramatically change his style and approach. It looks like he's trying to coach the 2012 Carmelo Anthony Knicks...without Carmelo Anthony, in the night and day different college environment, and in a basketball world that has left that coaching and playing style in the dust.

But it wouldn't take a lot for him to turn it around. Mainly just a couple slices of humble pie, some awareness of his failures and the kinds of things needed to be successful today...and THEN, a large dose of what he does already have quite a lot of, which is resolve.

 

[bailey777]

I don't believe its run its course. Woody coaching IU basketball in the 2024-25 season is a virtual certainty. So Woody has the rest of this season, this offseason, and next season...at least, to get IU basketball back on track. He did some good things his first 2 years...I repeatedly raised some red flags I had, but overall, he did a decent job. Those red flags are now multiplying, and getting brighter and bigger... But IU bball doesn't cut bait this soon, especially when its with an IU legend like Woodson.

Some of my recent posts have been things I think Woody should do, starting now...but especially this offseason, to improve and modernize his program. He really needs to dramatically change his style and approach. It looks like he's trying to coach the 2012 Carmelo Anthony Knicks...without Carmelo Anthony, in the night and day different college environment, and in a basketball world that has left that coaching and playing style in the dust.

But it wouldn't take a lot for him to turn it around. Mainly just a couple slices of humble pie, some awareness of his failures and the kinds of things needed to be successful today...and THEN, a large dose of what he does already have quite a lot of, which is resolve.

It is never ever a good thing when a coach has to coach for his job. It is a very toxic situation and the coach is likely on edge always. If he knows next year could be his last I doubt it will go well. Plus i doubt he will change a thing he is too stubborn so I am guessing he is gone after next year and we can finally move on from the you have to hire an IU guy nonsense.

 

[IUNorth]

It is never ever a good thing when a coach has to coach for his job. It is a very toxic situation and the coach is likely on edge always. If he knows next year could be his last I doubt it will go well. Plus i doubt he will change a thing he is too stubborn so I am guessing he is gone after next year and we can finally move on from the you have to hire an IU guy nonsense.

In my fictitious situation...where does it come across like Woody would know next year could be his last?

I would contend that in my scenario, the situation I laid out that would cause next year to be Woody's last...he'd actually be less likely to think it is in his own mind. As my decision would have been made due to Woody being stubborn, indignant, unwilling to change...which would likely come from a place of arrogance.

 

[bailey777]

In my fictitious situation...where does it come across like Woody would know next year could be his last?

I would contend that in my scenario, the situation I laid out that would cause next year to be Woody's last...he'd actually be less likely to think it is in his own mind. As my decision would have been made due to Woody being stubborn, indignant, unwilling to change...which would likely come from a place of arrogance.

I mean talks in the offseason would probably lead him to believe it could be his last if the ad says this is not going in the direction we want. Any coach can tell if he is on the hot seat if the ad tells them he is not happy. Heck sometime they even done and they still get fired I mean the longer you keep a coach when things go south the worse things will get for everyone involved.

 

[ndhuntington]

I think with social media it spreads like wild fire you can tell already tell Woodson is feeling it with the post game press conference. Can you imagine the rest of the year the off season its going to get ugly.

 

[ams66]

Woodson is not paying two seconds of attention to fan forums or social media. That's my guess, but guys his age aren't generally spending every spare second on their phones, and he's not going to take seriously any advice or criticism from randos on the internet anyway.

 

[bailey777]

I think with social media it spreads like wild fire you can tell already tell Woodson is feeling it with the post game press conference. Can you imagine the rest of the year the off season its going to get ugly.

Woodson is a very stubborn old man. He is not going to change a thing he thinks his outdated NBA style is the key to success. Despite the fact some will hype up players all summer long like they always do next year will most likely get ugly.

 

[Indymoon]

Woodson is a very stubborn old man. He is not going to change a thing he thinks his outdated NBA style is the key to success. Despite the fact some will hype up players all summer long like they always do next year will most likely get ugly.

Im not sure enough of the current players can’t shoot the 3 well enough to play like some other teams. so Woody’s “outdated NBA style “ (feeding the low post) is arguably appropriate for this team.

Granted, these are mostly his players so you can criticize his recruiting and roster construction.

 

[ulrey]

I don't believe its run its course. Woody coaching IU basketball in the 2024-25 season is a virtual certainty. So Woody has the rest of this season, this offseason, and next season...at least, to get IU basketball back on track. He did some good things his first 2 years...I repeatedly raised some red flags I had, but overall, he did a decent job. Those red flags are now multiplying, and getting brighter and bigger... But IU bball doesn't cut bait this soon, especially when its with an IU legend like Woodson.

Some of my recent posts have been things I think Woody should do, starting now...but especially this offseason, to improve and modernize his program. He really needs to dramatically change his style and approach. It looks like he's trying to coach the 2012 Carmelo Anthony Knicks...without Carmelo Anthony, in the night and day different college environment, and in a basketball world that has left that coaching and playing style in the dust.

But it wouldn't take a lot for him to turn it around. Mainly just a couple slices of humble pie, some awareness of his failures and the kinds of things needed to be successful today...and THEN, a large dose of what he does already have quite a lot of, which is resolve.

That’s neat.. but he’s not going to change his ways!!

 

[steelyvan]

Im not sure enough of the current players can’t shoot the 3 well enough to play like some other teams. so Woody’s “outdated NBA style “ (feeding the low post) is arguably appropriate for this team.

Granted, these are mostly his players so you can criticize his recruiting and roster construction.

I would suggest if we moved the ball, picked and screened we would get open shots and the team shooting would move up the scale.

 

[ButHerEmails]

I would suggest if we moved the ball, picked and screened we would get open shots and the team shooting would move up the scale.

We miss plenty of open shots without doing all that work.

 

[steelyvan]

I would expect the "quality" of the open looks to improve. Ware & Reneau would clearly benefit. Others as well.
But yeah, they gotta get confident and knock them down.

 

[TR32]

Wut? I mean, the game last night was terrible. Beyond terrible, actually, but IU is 11-5 and 3-2 in the conference.

Dolson just gave Woody a RAISE after last season.

It ain't happening. It's one thing to vent after a very bad game. It's another to speculate who you're going to replace him with after firing the coach in mid-season. LOL.

Unless Woody leaves on his own at some point, he will get at least one more year to make things work out. He's a legend at IU and they will be very careful how they handle him.

Who knows? Maybe he'll get things turned around? If he could get one or two shooters in the off-season, this team could look completely different next year...

True. Also, there is no rationale for firing a guy who went to the tourney in his first 2 seasons with a 2nd place last year. Plus he advanced in both the BTT and the NCAA. I'm not defending the play this year, but Woodson does not deserve to be fired whether anyone has "seen enough" or not.
I don't like how they are playing. But Woodson should get another year unless something derailing happens.