I know it is too early to draw a conclusion or a comparison of these two. But Boston just signed Edwards to a contract based upon his performance on their Summer League Team, and the comments of Celtics Coach Brad Stevens seem to indicate they are very impressed with his game and ability to score. Haven't heard anything about Langford. Don't know if he played on their Summer League Team , or what Boston thinks of him. Anyone know any more than I do?
Romeo Langford/Carsen Edwards
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Romeo is 1st Round Lottery Pick who is still recovering from surgery on his shooting hand. Carsen Edwards has been impressive so far. Fearless gunner. I am rooting for the Celtics now, so Edwards is no longer an enemy.
Edwards has proved he belongs by torching the summer league and signed a contract.
Romeo is being paid millions to wear a ping pong paddle on his hand and learn how to shoot.
I'm all for Romeo making good on his talent, but as a fan of basketball I want guys in the pros who are pro level, not developmental level. Romeo should be preparing for a sophomore campaign at IU. The system is broken and it rewards kids who are quite literally not ready to play. I'm sure Romeo is just fine with getting paid to learn how to shoot, why wouldn't he be? I just wonder why colleges and the NBA are fine with it.
Romeo is being paid millions to wear a ping pong paddle on his hand and learn how to shoot.
I'm all for Romeo making good on his talent, but as a fan of basketball I want guys in the pros who are pro level, not developmental level. Romeo should be preparing for a sophomore campaign at IU. The system is broken and it rewards kids who are quite literally not ready to play. I'm sure Romeo is just fine with getting paid to learn how to shoot, why wouldn't he be? I just wonder why colleges and the NBA are fine with it.
Because at 6'6" Romeo has more pro potential. You draft teenagers based on potential as much or more than their current skillset or their finished product. I am honestly not that worried about Romeo's perimeter shooting ability, I watched him drain 3s from way beyond NBA range in HS, if anything he will be even better than he was pre-injury, combined with his driving and exceptional finishing ability Romeo can still be an elite 2 guard in the NBA. The Celtics may have found their future starting backcourt in one draft. Edward's exceptional perimeter shooting with occasional drives, and Romeo's exceptional drives with occasional shooting may complement each other very well. Danny Ainge has to be smiling. Romeo is still one of the best Indiana HS talents that I have ever watched in my lifetime. Certainly one of the best in the last 20 years.
This has been a problem with the NBA for years. They tend to draft on potential and take a guy with a high ceiling who also has a low floor, rather than the older developed player who doesn't have as high a ceiling, but may be lower risk because he has a higher floor.
C'mon, Romeo is recovering from surgery and was held out of the Summer League games. Kills me when IU fans shit on our own players. Edwards had a great summer league and outstanding senior season, but there's no reason to dump on Romeo who played while injured and is recovering. I hope they both make it and do well.
I would roll the dice on the higher ceiling player. Difference makers are hard to find. Difference makers win NBA titles. Playing it safe does not win NBA titles. I'd rather try and take a risk on a young unproven high ceiling talent and fail than not try and the kid turns out to be the 2nd coming of Kobe Bryant.
Edward's has proven to be a better shooter than I thought he would be in the NBA. I have been impressed with Edwards in the NBA Summer League. His step back creates space to get his shot off at his height against NBA Summer League competition. I am impressed with Edward's so far. Celtics look solid at guard now.
They're trying to reconstruct his form from the hitch he developed while literally playing with torn ligaments in his hand. They aren't teaching him how to shoot, what an asinine comment. Do less.
I totally agree, and I enjoy watching him play, just as I did in the tourney. But that doesn't mean Romeo is less because he is recovering right now.
Romeo was a once in a generation player in HS in Indiana. Romeo was that good. These are the type of difference-maker talents that wins in the NBA. Edwards agressive perimeter shooting game timing fits perfectly with the domination of 3pt shooting that is currently the rage in the NBA. Edward's is the mad bomber, but he is making buckets, so it has been very effective so far. Romeo has more overall talent. Their games could be very complementary.
Romeo will be pivotal for the Celtics. They have nice core of good young players. If he can continue to work on his shot, the sky’s the limit for him and the Celtics
I have watched decades of HS basketball in Indiana. When you see a gifted basketball talent it is like watching a gifted musician at a young age. It is exciting and rare.
Actually, the hitch in question precedes the injury. Even Romeo says so:
"Langford said that the right thumb injury plus the unorthodox motion combined to cause some shooting woes at Indiana.
"He scored a lot of points while driving to the basket, but was inaccurate from 3-point range and on long two-point attempts, shooting 45 percent overall.
"“It’s a little bit of both,″ said Langford of why he struggled shooting from the outside last season. “I shoot with a little hitch in my shot and if you’re going to be consistent and one of the best shooters in the NBA, you can’t really shoot with a hitch in your shot. None of the good shooters have a two-motion release so we’re trying to make it (go away) and make it all one release.″"
https://www.enterprisenews.com/spor...-romeo-langford-gets-to-work-on-shooting-form
Fair enough. The original comment was still asinine. Correcting someone's form is not "teaching him how to shoot".
"The system is broken and it rewards kids who are quite literally not ready to play".
Romeo has a) an NBA ready body and b) an NBA ready skill set. His mechanics need some work. Is he better off working on his mechanics full time as a paid professional athlete or as a student athlete? That's a rhetorical question.
"Romeo should be preparing for his sophomore campaign at IU".
The only reason Romeo was at IU in the first place was due to a rule that prohibits players jumping directly to the NBA straight out of high school. You could argue his "development" would be further along had he'd been able to jump straight to the NBA. Romeo is plenty ready to play and contribute in the NBA as a rookie, nothing needs developed, simply improving his shooting mechanics, something an NBA organization exists for.
He also had a very high at the rim percentage, seemingly gets to the rim at will against a single defender. And for his usage turned the ball over at a very low rate. The high at the rim percentage is highly valued.
He does need work on his handle, especially left and needs to get better at creating space, which will be less important as his shot becomes more consistent, his release quickens and his handle improves.
My favorite part was Edwards proved he belonged by tearing up the summer league .. lol The players who have proven they belong don't play in the summer league.
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what about the hitch he picks up trying to shoot with a ping pong paddle taped to his left hand.
i think RL will be a very good shooter in the league, but i think the ping pong paddle thing is ridiculous.
change of direction, ball handling, and his left hand, are RL's weak points.
Seriously, what could a coach in the NBA possibly know about shooting form and ways to correct it?
Guessing this is the first time you have ever read about the summer league, cuz lets be real, you didn't watch a second. Doesn't stop you from making an uneducated retarded statement though does it.
So you heard they pulled Zion out for a knee bump, congrats! 50/50 you even know who Ja Morant is.
Other than that, every top pick has played in the summer league unless they are injured. Lonzo Ball was MVP last year, Giannis tore it up years ago. All the stars play you dope, stop acting like you watch/understand basketball.
Not adding anything to the discussion, but I'll be more than happy watching both of them play for Boston. How often do you have the opportunity to watch two college kids, 1 from IU, 1 from Purdue, playing together on the same team in the NBA. Should be exciting.
Tearing it up in Summer League doesn't equate to being a long time NBA player. It's more or less 10-15 guys thrown together in a week trying to fight for maybe 1-2 roster spots. The summer league fits the style of someone like Carsen Edwards, somebody with a gun. But there's little to no structure, set plays aren't run and drawn up, and it's tainted towards people with certain skill sets. As good as Carsen looked, he won't be jacking up 20 shots a game coming off the bench for Boston any time soon.
I advocate the idea of a point system for colleges to use for scholarship numbers such that academic seniors in good standing give the team more "points" than juniors, etc. Then future scholarships, possibly for the year after next could be awarded to teams by total points accrued from the past year. The Kentucky recruiting startegy would leave them barren in 2 years time and they would be forced to pick up walk ons. There would be an abuse of the "walk on" as we know it, but that could be streamlined with a little thinking. In this system, coaches would be forced to create balance in their rosters because too many early departures would directly impact future scholarship numbers.
That is what say colleges have, or could have. The best thing about it is that it doesn't hurt the kids because they can still choose a school that fits their needs. It just hurts programs that don't value academics.
I've said it before, but I'll repeat it. As a streak shooter he reminds me of Vinnie Johnson of the old Detroit Pistons. When he is hot he can shoot you out to a large lead or back into a game in a short period of time, and you may keep him on the floor 25-30 minutes in those games. When he is cold, he can shoot you out of a game or into a deeper hole just as quickly and you need to be prepared to give him a quick hook.
My favorite part is where you say "as his shot becomes more consistent". That is what you call learning how to shoot.
No wait, my favorite part is that without sports-reference.com you wouldn't be terrorizing the message board.
No now wait, my truly favorite part is that you keep saying "LOL" and "LMAO" like a twelve year old.
This is about winning basketball games and producing NBA talents that you can use to sell your system to future recruits to help you win even more games in the future. Why the demonization of the underclassmen who leave early for the NBA? Without NBA level talents you do not win big. What about the player who never improves in 4 years, the university wasted scholarship money on a player who never produced. I am more upset that a 5th year Senior produced less than a true freshman who was not a 5*. Older does not always equal better. If they improve over 4 years of college coaching, great. If they never improve or regress as an upperclassman or as a Senior, it just means they are an older poor player.
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There is zero incentive for the NCAA to enact such a policy or for the schools to go along with it. The NCAAT brings in $1B/yr. People watch that to see teams like Duke and UK play, either to root for or against them. It'll never happen, nor should it. I'm going to guess you're like IUScott and yearn for a time in the past where the academics were a higher priority than basketball. That time never existed.
Look on the bright side, in a few years the NBA rule will be gone and the players that only go to college because they can't enter the NBA draft directly out of HS will no longer have to do that.
Edwards does not seem to have a high percentage shot conscience, he just keeps shooting the rock with a quick trigger as soon as he can get his shot off. He is truly a mad bomber with a ton of swagger and confidence. When he gets cold Brad will give him the quick hook before he can shoot Boston out of a game if he's not on target that night. Edwards role may be instant offense off the bench as a rookie, leading to a potentially bigger role if he can produce points while handling the PG duties as a rookie in the NBA. Edwards is a Vinnie Johnson microwave with an even quicker trigger finger. He may lead the C's with the most shots per minute of play.
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I liked Edwards since I've seen him. IMO, he has a good opportunity to get some minutes backing up Kemba because the Celts lack vet guard depth. It's not surprising to me that he can score in the summer league. Speaking of Big 10 guys. Reaves from PSU looked really solid for the Mavs as did Roby from Nebraska. Reaves actually showed a decent 3. He'll be a good defender as will Roby
Still, let's see how well Edwards scores against the big boys though and if he gets 20 shots per game. There is quite a gap between real NBA games and the summer league. Cameron payne has stunk it up in the NBA since his arrival as a top 10 pick and he just torched the summer league himself. My guess is Edwards will have a hard time attacking the basket in his rookie year and will be limited to being a spot up 3 point shooter which he can be pretty at.
I would also expect that Romeo can guard at PG, SG, and SF. I doubt Edwards will be stopping anyone in the NBA. The problem for Romeo in his rookie year is he is behind Tatum, Hayward and Brown. If not for the that he could probably carve out some rotation minutes defensively just like Edwards will likely be as a spot up shooter. Unless injury occurs Romeo will be developing in the G-League. Hope he comes to Austin when the Celts team plays the spurs.. I'll certainly go check him out as well as the 2 Mavs guys when they come to town.
Still, let's see how well Edwards scores against the big boys though and if he gets 20 shots per game. There is quite a gap between real NBA games and the summer league. Cameron payne has stunk it up in the NBA since his arrival as a top 10 pick and he just torched the summer league himself. My guess is Edwards will have a hard time attacking the basket in his rookie year and will be limited to being a spot up 3 point shooter which he can be pretty at.
I would also expect that Romeo can guard at PG, SG, and SF. I doubt Edwards will be stopping anyone in the NBA. The problem for Romeo in his rookie year is he is behind Tatum, Hayward and Brown. If not for the that he could probably carve out some rotation minutes defensively just like Edwards will likely be as a spot up shooter. Unless injury occurs Romeo will be developing in the G-League. Hope he comes to Austin when the Celts team plays the spurs.. I'll certainly go check him out as well as the 2 Mavs guys when they come to town.
If Romeo is in the G-League he is still likely battling injuries. But both Edwards and Romeo could have stints in G-League as almost any NBA Rookie who does not start or get significant minutes to develop on the parent NBA club. G-League is not Euroball, it is becoming a true NBA minor league and much better than the NBA Summer League which is a NBA version of AAU ball for talent evaluation. Similar to MLB when stars are sent to the minors to work their way back into playing shape and for reps after an injury, I could see the G-League be used a a rehab tool for NBA GMs and NBA Coaches. I expect Romeo to be a NBA SG not a forward.
The Celtics nearly made Isaiah Thomas an MVP of the Eastern conference...I think they could figure out how to use a physical guard that is lightning quick and can shoot.
For Romeo to be an NBA defender he's going to have to get much bigger and 'tougher'... which will come in time, maybe. Ted Kitchel nailed Romeo last year when he said that Painter roughed him up and he didn't like it...at all. Then the rest of the conference roughed him up.
The NBA is definitely going to rough him up. Good news is Boston has physical players on the roster to sharpen him. Guys like Smart, Edwards, Williams, etc.
Edwards, on the other hand, has always had a football running back body.
For Romeo to be an NBA defender he's going to have to get much bigger and 'tougher'... which will come in time, maybe. Ted Kitchel nailed Romeo last year when he said that Painter roughed him up and he didn't like it...at all. Then the rest of the conference roughed him up.
The NBA is definitely going to rough him up. Good news is Boston has physical players on the roster to sharpen him. Guys like Smart, Edwards, Williams, etc.
Edwards, on the other hand, has always had a football running back body.
The microwave shot 46.4% from the field for his entire career.
I respectfully disagree with some of this. I loved watching Romeo as a high school player, but it was very apparent after watching him at IU that he has some serious holes in his game. He doesn’t go left well and his overall handle is poor. He’s barely an average passer. I know the offense didn’t do him any favors, but he tended to drift on offense and didn’t move well. He played with a lot less energy, passion and toughness than a lot of other good players with his physical talents. If you read scouts who followed him in both high school and at IU they also saw similar holes in his game. It’s part of the reason he dropped so much in the draft. It wasn’t just the shooting mechanics. I personally wished he stayed at IU to work on his game and approach but I get the appeal of the money and prestige the League offers.I hope he gets the great coaching he needs to develop but also that he inwardly matures so he has the mental toughness to be a player at the next level.
Edwards will be able to play in the NBA and probably be a productive player for many years. I don't think early success in the Summer League guarantees the same level of success once the real season begins.
I expect Romeo will also be successful once he has moved beyond his injury and begins training to play in the NBA. Romeo has time to develop as opposed to undrafted free agents or second round picks that may not be guaranteed any long term contracts.
Romeo didn't become a top recruit and best player in the state because of potential. He was very good and earned his position by producing on the court. I see no reason why he can't do the same thing in the NBA.
Like the Spurs do with their guys (Walker, White and Murray and others), Romeo will get a development year because they have the luxury to develop him and still compete at a high level as a team. There is no better place than one of those 2 teams with Pop and Stevens to develop his game (college or pro).
There is not a lot of difference in SGs and SFs. IMO, you have wings and combo guards who fill in at what used to be the SG position. IMO, Romeo is a wing.
I am impressed with all the Celtic rookies and root for Edwards and Langford because of Indiana ties
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