Rich Rod

[mushroomgod_1]

So Rich Rod's accused of walking around in his underwear and fondling himself in front of his asst, and forcing the woman to cover up an affair........My questions are 1. When did this walking around in your underwear and fondling yourself start? Seems like that's going on in all of these harassment claims these days. I didn't get that memo. Have any of you guys heard of these things going on where you work? 2. Once this chick gets her $2M(she's asking for 7.5), how long before Rich Rod checks himself into a sex addict clinic, then how long before he's rehabilitated and ready to be coach again? (He may be qualified to be an OC in the NFL right now) 3. It's really hard for seriously injured accident victims to get 1/10 of what this woman is asking for How ****ed up is the legal system for awarding millions of $s on these "trauma" claims when a women continues to work for years with the alleged harasser? The original idea on civil lawsuits was to compensate people for actual injuries. Now its all about punishing bad behavior and finding the deep pocket.

 

[Superstar84b]

So Rich Rod's accused of walking around in his underwear and fondling himself in front of his asst, and forcing the woman to cover up an affair........My questions are 1. When did this walking around in your underwear and fondling yourself start? Seems like that's going on in all of these harassment claims these days. I didn't get that memo. Have any of you guys heard of these things going on where you work? 2. Once this chick gets her $2M(she's asking for 7.5), how long before Rich Rod checks himself into a sex addict clinic, then how long before he's rehabilitated and ready to be coach again? (He may be qualified to be an OC in the NFL right now) 3. It's really hard for seriously injured accident victims to get 1/10 of what this woman is asking for How ****ed up is the legal system for awarding millions of $s on these "trauma" claims when a women continues to work for years with the alleged harasser? The original idea on civil lawsuits was to compensate people for actual injuries. Now its all about punishing bad behavior and finding the deep pocket.

Really it’s up to the men at these universities and in the legal system to say “enough is enough” when it comes to ridiculous claims like this. It’s silly, that even if true, she should get any money.

This whole movement is going to be a good test for men. We saw this movement at Minnesota last year beginning, in which a woman was caught on video consenting... and then they still suspended the players for “rape”, although it was cleared in the legal system. What happened to rich rod will ramp up, and have major implications for college football in the upcoming years. As a young man who just played in college, I have pretty much no confidence that the male “leaders” on campuses will manage this situation well, and rich rod and situations like at Minnesota will be the norm.

 

[crossfire74]

So Rich Rod's accused of walking around in his underwear and fondling himself in front of his asst, and forcing the woman to cover up an affair........My questions are 1. When did this walking around in your underwear and fondling yourself start? Seems like that's going on in all of these harassment claims these days. I didn't get that memo. Have any of you guys heard of these things going on where you work? 2. Once this chick gets her $2M(she's asking for 7.5), how long before Rich Rod checks himself into a sex addict clinic, then how long before he's rehabilitated and ready to be coach again? (He may be qualified to be an OC in the NFL right now) 3. It's really hard for seriously injured accident victims to get 1/10 of what this woman is asking for How ****ed up is the legal system for awarding millions of $s on these "trauma" claims when a women continues to work for years with the alleged harasser? The original idea on civil lawsuits was to compensate people for actual injuries. Now its all about punishing bad behavior and finding the deep pocket.

And now it’s come out they knew about this and decided to fire him before the bowl game. Team knew too. That’s why the sucky performance but AZ getting a lot of backlash for not just firing when these allegations came to light

 

[turney333]

So Rich Rod's accused of walking around in his underwear and fondling himself in front of his asst, and forcing the woman to cover up an affair........My questions are 1. When did this walking around in your underwear and fondling yourself start? Seems like that's going on in all of these harassment claims these days. I didn't get that memo. Have any of you guys heard of these things going on where you work? 2. Once this chick gets her $2M(she's asking for 7.5), how long before Rich Rod checks himself into a sex addict clinic, then how long before he's rehabilitated and ready to be coach again? (He may be qualified to be an OC in the NFL right now) 3. It's really hard for seriously injured accident victims to get 1/10 of what this woman is asking for How ****ed up is the legal system for awarding millions of $s on these "trauma" claims when a women continues to work for years with the alleged harasser? The original idea on civil lawsuits was to compensate people for actual injuries. Now its all about punishing bad behavior and finding the deep pocket.

I agree that monetary value of settlements like these never seem to make sense. Though typically its people with deep pockets that are the ones that think they can get away with these types of things. $7.5M is right about RR annual paycheck, and probably where the figure came from. But there are lots of reasons that women don't come forward earlier, and is similar psychology to why women frequently don't leave abusive husbands. They are scared of ruining their careers by leaving and then rationalize the recurring incidents as normal to mentally get through it, and then that cycles and reinforces itself.

 

[ORG]

I agree that monetary value of settlements like these never seem to make sense. Though typically its people with deep pockets that are the ones that think they can get away with these types of things. $7.5M is right about RR annual paycheck, and probably where the figure came from. But there are lots of reasons that women don't come forward earlier, and is similar psychology to why women frequently don't leave abusive husbands. They are scared of ruining their careers by leaving and then rationalize the recurring incidents as normal to mentally get through it, and then that cycles and reinforces itself.

I would like to know what % of her settlement goes to her lawyers who suffered no trauma at all.

 

[Superstar84b]

I agree that monetary value of settlements like these never seem to make sense. Though typically its people with deep pockets that are the ones that think they can get away with these types of things. $7.5M is right about RR annual paycheck, and probably where the figure came from. But there are lots of reasons that women don't come forward earlier, and is similar psychology to why women frequently don't leave abusive husbands. They are scared of ruining their careers by leaving and then rationalize the recurring incidents as normal to mentally get through it, and then that cycles and reinforces itself.

I agree as to why you say women choose not come forward. However, that still makes these situations a mess, because there’s often no credible evidence at that point. It’s a judgement call and I obviously believe that Universties have the freedom to do what they want, but they’re going to lose men and athletics will suffer in the process. Because what they’re really deciding between is a mans frame of the incident and a woman’s frame of the “incident” and they’re overwhelmingly going to choose a woman’s frame a majority of the time. In this environment, I couldn’t imagine sending a son to Arizona if we know that the coach got axed without any credible evidence, for something that he probably shouldn’t have been axed for anyway. That’s the reality right now.

 

[RBB89]

Instead of blaming the women for asking for too much money, how about the men stop acting like idiots and doing crap like fondling themselves in front of other people and grabbing women by the ass without permission? That really doesn’t seem so difficult. Victim blaming is precisely why these people don’t come forward sooner.

 

[Superstar84b]

Instead of blaming the women for asking for too much money, how about the men stop acting like idiots and doing crap like fondling themselves in front of other people and grabbing women by the ass without permission? That really doesn’t seem so difficult. Victim blaming is precisely why these people don’t come forward sooner.

No one blamed her for rich rod allegedly touching himself in front of her. And no one said she’s actually a victim. I don’t view her as a victim. I view her as someone who’s alleging something happened that may have not happened, and even if it did, isnt worth $7.5, or probably any compensation. So there’s no victim blaming. And while it’s your subjective view that he was acting like an idiot (for something that may have not happened, we don’t know) not everyone believes that it’s worth $7.5 million, and many view it as simply a way to exploit a situation and get paid. Obviously some are going to call it what it is.

Obviously you have the right to feel as if it was bad. I’m not going to bash you or tell you how to feel. Others are just stating their views. The “victim” blaming line for not agreeing with a woman’s frame of how the world should operate is old. It’s played out.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

If Rich Rod did what he is accused of then getting fired is warranted and perhaps some compensation....but $7.5 million is excessive. I'd say even $1 million would be excessive.

 

[Superstar84b]

If Rich Rod did what he is accused of then getting fired is warranted and perhaps some compensation....but $7.5 million is excessive. I'd say even $1 million would be excessive.

That’s an interesting view. Why would you have fired him based on what was out there. Discaimer: I wouldn’t have fired him for this, but would’ve after 2016 for on field performance

 

[Thomtar]

I would like to know what % of her settlement goes to her lawyers who suffered no trauma at all.

Typically, 40 percent, if she wins her case.

 

[76-1]

So does this mean we have a shot at one of AZ's recruits at Safety?

If not Rich Rod being a freak and his secretary turning gold digger (after supporting him for years) doesn't really pique my interest...

Don't make the O. Goat come over here and moderate this (or I'll end up getting banned)

Water Cooler Topics for certain...

 

[Thomtar]

So Rich Rod's accused of walking around in his underwear and fondling himself in front of his asst, and forcing the woman to cover up an affair........My questions are 1. When did this walking around in your underwear and fondling yourself start? Seems like that's going on in all of these harassment claims these days. I didn't get that memo. Have any of you guys heard of these things going on where you work? 2. Once this chick gets her $2M(she's asking for 7.5), how long before Rich Rod checks himself into a sex addict clinic, then how long before he's rehabilitated and ready to be coach again? (He may be qualified to be an OC in the NFL right now) 3. It's really hard for seriously injured accident victims to get 1/10 of what this woman is asking for How ****ed up is the legal system for awarding millions of $s on these "trauma" claims when a women continues to work for years with the alleged harasser? The original idea on civil lawsuits was to compensate people for actual injuries. Now its all about punishing bad behavior and finding the deep pocket.

Perhaps you've never heard of punitive damages. Here is a primer on them for you: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/punitive+damages

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Instead of blaming the women for asking for too much money, how about the men stop acting like idiots and doing crap like fondling themselves in front of other people and grabbing women by the ass without permission? That really doesn’t seem so difficult. Victim blaming is precisely why these people don’t come forward sooner.

I read the demand letter from her attorney to the university. It's pretty wild and funny stuff, and I recommend it to everyone. She worked for RR for app. 6 yrs. It certainly appears that he was a pig the whole time, and people knew about it. She didn't seriously try to leave until close to the end, saying she felt "trapped". Her daughter started working for the football program in '16, which seems like an odd thing to happen if you believed the program was out of control.

I have a couple of thoughts on this. First, she is receiving X amount of compensation for working at his position. She was apparently a qualified person who could make X-Y for working at a different position elsewhere. She made the decision to stay at the place where she could make X instead of going to the place where she would be paid X-Y and seeking payment of the difference. So....what is the proper compensation to her for decision to stay and be exposed to RR's junk? Well......if she makes $70000/year (a guess), $7.5M would be 107x her annual salary. Let's say she settles for $2M....that would be 28 additional years of salary. The reason people can ask and get these kinds of #s is that some juries are completely out of control, and judges refuse to keep them under control. It goes back to many of our fellow citizens being emotional morons.

Now what about RR and the U? I can understand people saying "they must be punished" so they won't behave like this in the future. That is the purpose of so-called "punitive damages". RR was probably the $100M man to the U, and that's why nothing was done. The problem is that punishment historically is a matter for the criminal courts, and (fair) compensation is the goal of civil law. For this reason some states allow punitive damages but say they must be paid to the State instead of the civil claimant (I know, a good deal for the State, but the $ can be well directed). What implicitly happens in a lot of these high profile 'psychic trauma' cases is that the jury basically gives the claimant punitive damages and calls them compensatory damages. The judges can reduce damage awards but often don't, and you end up with wildly divergent awards based on the jury's emotions and motivations. That's how someone like this lady, who may be a very nice person, ends up with 10x the $ that some poor slob gets losing his leg in an automobile accident.

But yes, it would be a good thing if these guys didn't walk around the offiice grabbing their junk.

 

[Bowlmania]

To RBB's point, if guys - - in the workplace - - kept their junk in their shorts, kept their hands to themselves, didn't introduce locker room talk, and simply acted professionally, most of the claims and litigation would go away.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

To RBB's point, if guys - - in the workplace - - kept their junk in their shorts, kept their hands to themselves, didn't introduce locker room talk, and simply acted professionally, most of the claims and litigation would go away.

I don't dispute that, but I think the proper response is to kick the guy in the balls and report the situation to higher-ups........if you're afraid to handle it that way, your daddy should have raised you better.

 

[Bowlmania]

I don't dispute that, but I think the proper response is to kick the guy in the balls and report the situation to higher-ups........if you're afraid to handle it that way, your daddy should have raised you better.

Your solution is easier said than done. When women do this (report the incident): a) they're frequently not believed; b) the harasser/assaulter is defended/protected; and/or c) the organization retaliates against the woman.

 

[turney333]

Your solution is easier said than done. When women do this (report the incident): a) they're frequently not believed; b) the harasser/assaulter is defended/protected; and/or c) the organization retaliates against the woman.

Also, harassment usually starts small and then slowly ramps up. So it is then frequently not really noticed or seen as significant, laughed off, or ignored in the beginning. Then you have a sort of frog in boiling water situation where the victim doesn't realize the extent to which they are being affected by the harassment as time goes on. Some of the more egregious allegations against RR most certainly didn't happen right off the bat. Plus, the "why didn't you say anything earlier" type of statement is one of the biggest fears of victims which forces them to stay quiet even longer.

 

[Superstar84b]

To RBB's point, if guys - - in the workplace - - kept their junk in their shorts, kept their hands to themselves, didn't introduce locker room talk, and simply acted professionally, most of the claims and litigation would go away.

What’s more realistic is that generation X and Baby boomers men (our leaders), May have no clue how to handle these situations. That’s a much more stark reality, but these are the leaders we have to depend on currently in collegiate athletics. I mean MAYBE the claims go away if people didn’t do what rich rod did, but I highly doubt it in this environment. I can see people coming forward for progressively stranger things. This is minor, and 30 years ago people would’ve had a hard time believing this made it to court. With the trajectory we are on, the future will have even more minor claims that will end up impacting collegiate athletics. Male behavior is a constant that’s been consistent for a while now, yet only recently started leading to suits. It may so reflect the men, in particular generations, that cannot handle these situations. I’m not trying to be rude by saying it, but again, I have no confidence in Boomers/Gen X men handling these situations, especially in regards to collegiate athletics. Not trying to sound like the rebellious young dude, but no one can objectively say that these guys know what they’re doing. I mean even the woman’s husband is a marine, and if he let her trot to work everyday, and if these claims are true, he has no control. I can assure you that he’s not a milenial male. Completely different generations of men in regards to situations like this.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

I was a Finance Major from IU and I spent my time in the Financial Instution side of things. I know at one large institution I worked at it went on and I knew of several complaints/settlements that were made. One medium size place I worked and ended up in Senior Managment, it was rampant. It may be that because of my position I was privy to much of that info. Many a check had been written to settle abuses. It just isn’t right....that said, some sure enjoyed and took advantage of the benefits that came with it such as being untouchable, bonuses not earned, trips not earned, etc. I just think a guy is stupid as hell to engage in it because it is a no win situation.

I do know a guy that got caught on his desk with his secretary and they were both married to someone else at the time. It was swept under the rug. The punishment? He eventually became President (and still is of the same Publically Traded Company). However, he did marry the secretary after they both divorced.

I do have some stories which I am sure many of you do also.

 

[Superstar84b]

I was a Finance Major from IU and I spent my time in the Financial Instution side of things. I know at one large institution I worked at it went on and I knew of several complaints/settlements that were made. One medium size place I worked and ended up in Senior Managment, it was rampant. It may be that because of my position I was privy to much of that info. Many a check had been written to settle abuses. It just isn’t right....that said, some sure enjoyed and took advantage of the benefits that came with it such as being untouchable, bonuses not earned, trips not earned, etc. I just think a guy is stupid as hell to engage in it because it is a no win situation.

I do know a guy that got caught on his desk with his secretary and they were both married to someone else at the time. It was swept under the rug. The punishment? He eventually became President (and still is of the same Publically Traded Company). However, he did marry the secretary after they both divorced.

I do have some stories which I am sure many of you do also.

Okay and that’s My point. These behaviors have likely been rampant, but when did they start being handled incompetently? Very recently. I’m not trying to be the jerk, but’s it’s precisely when Boomers/Gen x men started to run these companies. I simply have not seen this level of mismanagement with these situations in generations before, or mine coming to replace. It’s gotta be a generation gap or something, because these situations have been rampant. Rich rod isn’t the first man to have a wife and a side piece on the sideline man. If someone really came to me with a complaint that they willingly set up for a side piece to be on a sideline I’m going to go right back to playing golf. I’m not even upset that gen x/ boomers aren’t handling these situations well, my only point was that we can see that they’ll be much more rampant and have implications for college sports until we get different generations in these positions. Will take a while. 20-30 years probably, and I don’t see these situations getting handled any more competently in that time span, so I don’t know what these will mean for intercollegiate athletics.

 

[turney333]

What’s more realistic is that generation X and Baby boomers men (our leaders), May have no clue how to handle these situations. That’s a much more stark reality, but these are the leaders we have to depend on currently in collegiate athletics. I mean MAYBE the claims go away if people didn’t do what rich rod did, but I highly doubt it in this environment. I can see people coming forward for progressively stranger things. This is minor, and 30 years ago people would’ve had a hard time believing this made it to court. With the trajectory we are on, the future will have even more minor claims that will end up impacting collegiate athletics. Male behavior is a constant that’s been consistent for a while now, yet only recently started leading to suits. It may so reflect the men, in particular generations, that cannot handle these situations. I’m not trying to be rude by saying it, but again, I have no confidence in Boomers/Gen X men handling these situations, especially in regards to collegiate athletics. Not trying to sound like the rebellious young dude, but no one can objectively say that these guys know what they’re doing. I mean even the woman’s husband is a marine, and if he let her trot to work everyday, and if these claims are true, he has no control. I can assure you that he’s not a milenial male. Completely different generations of men in regards to situations like this.

The generational thing is only a sociological explanation of why it is so prevalent, but is in no way a pass for older generations to get away with it.

Plus, any individuals doing these sorts of things are in no way "leaders" and should in no way have influence over young men.

 

[Superstar84b]

Also, harassment usually starts small and then slowly ramps up. So it is then frequently not really noticed or seen as significant, laughed off, or ignored in the beginning. Then you have a sort of frog in boiling water situation where the victim doesn't realize the extent to which they are being affected by the harassment as time goes on. Some of the more egregious allegations against RR most certainly didn't happen right off the bat. Plus, the "why didn't you say anything earlier" type of statement is one of the biggest fears of victims which forces them to stay quiet even longer.

Man then we’re just going to have to realize that’s a difference between men and women and move on. I can get why someone won’t come forward. If logic, skepticism and people asking questions prohibit someone from coming forward, then okay. I’m all for unbiased investigation, and I think that society too often ignores claims. But that doesn’t mean we’re just going to blindly accept them either. By default, being unbiased REQUIRES skepticism. So if being unbiased and having a healthy amount of skepticism makes someone not want to come forward, we can’t do anything about that one.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

Okay and that’s My point. These behaviors have likely been rampant, but when did they start being handled incompetently? Very recently. I’m not trying to be the jerk, but’s it’s precisely when Boomers/Gen x men started to run these companies. I simply have not seen this level of mismanagement with these situations in generations before, or mine coming to replace. It’s gotta be a generation gap or something, because these situations have been rampant. Rich rod isn’t the first man to have a wife and a side piece on the sideline man. If someone really came to me with a complaint that they willingly set up for a side piece to be on a sideline I’m going to go right back to playing golf. I’m not even upset that gen x/ boomers aren’t handling these situations well, my only point was that we can see that they’ll be much more rampant and have implications for college sports until we get different generations in these positions. Will take a while. 20-30 years probably, and I don’t see these situations getting handled any more competently in that time span, so I don’t know what these will mean for intercollegiate athletics.

I think each “instance” should be reviewed on its own merits. I would say the majority of these relationships are entered into of free will and not forced or coerced. That won’t be agreed with from the University bubble people but I haven’t seen a forced situation. I have seen PLENTY of attraction towards men in power by women. Which I think comes naturally (yes banging my caveman club...buts it true). I think like most on here believe people should be responsible for their actions. If a Grad Student passes on an offer from another firm to stay at a University to work with a coach who had to create the position for them and then gets caught in a sexual relationship with the coach because of a motorcycle wreck suddenly becomes a victim, I’m sorry. That person made a conscience decision to enter that relationship and is not a victim in my view...

The victims in the above is the guy who was busting his ass trying to get on at a University because he really wants to coach and can’t because his ass doesn’t look in a bikini. I’ve seen plenty of this in the financial world.

Anyway, each case should have to stand on its own merits and those involved are innocent until proven guilty.

 

[turney333]

I think each “instance” should be reviewed on its own merits. I would say the majority of these relationships are entered into of free will and not forced or coerced. That won’t be agreed with from the University bubble people but I haven’t seen a forced situation. I have seen PLENTY of attraction towards men in power by women. Which I think comes naturally (yes banging my caveman club...buts it true). I think like most on here believe people should be responsible for their actions. If a Grad Student passes on an offer from another firm to stay at a University to work with a coach who had to create the position for them and then gets caught in a sexual relationship with the coach because of a motorcycle wreck suddenly becomes a victim, I’m sorry. That person made a conscience decision to enter that relationship and is not a victim in my view...

The victims in the above is the guy who was busting his ass trying to get on at a University because he really wants to coach and can’t because his ass doesn’t look in a bikini. I’ve seen plenty of this in the financial world.

Anyway, each case should have to stand on its own merits and those involved are innocent until proven guilty.

I understand this perspective, but is also an apples to oranges comparison with the Rich Rod situation, which in no way appears to be an affair gone wrong (at least pertaining to the lawsuit). Plus the woman in the Petrino situation to whom you are referring did not try to file a lawsuit against Petrino or Arkansas and has essentially said that it was a poor decision but fully consensual.

With the Rich Rod situation - while Arizona has said that they couldn't corroborate the allegations (though likely that could be legal speak to protect themselves from a lawsuit), they did find other reasons to fire him. Reading between the lines, I'm guessing that this has to do with the affair that Rich Rod admitted to having which probably caused a lot drama between RR and his wife which them spilled into athletic department. While that's not a legal issue that harassment would be, it is still a potentially legitimate reason for the "without cause" termination indicated by Arizona.

 

[Superstar84b]

I understand this perspective, but is also an apples to oranges comparison with the Rich Rod situation, which in no way appears to be an affair gone wrong (at least pertaining to the lawsuit). Plus the woman in the Petrino situation to whom you are referring did not try to file a lawsuit against Petrino or Arkansas and has essentially said that it was a poor decision but fully consensual.

With the Rich Rod situation - while Arizona has said that they couldn't corroborate the allegations (though likely that could be legal speak to protect themselves from a lawsuit), they did find other reasons to fire him. Reading between the lines, I'm guessing that this has to do with the affair that Rich Rod admitted to having which probably caused a lot drama between RR and his wife which them spilled into athletic department. While that's not a legal issue that harassment would be, it is still a potentially legitimate reason for the "without cause" termination indicated by Arizona.

Having an affair is “wrong”. If universities are now going to be the moral authority, they can end a lot of their left wing stances now. They may as well I go BYU, then there will be no confusion. Have sex? You’re out. Because technically that’s “wrong” unless you’re married. Lie? You’re out. Get drunk? You’re out. You don’t hear of these cases at BYU because at least they’re consistent. But I find it hard to believe that The University of Arizona is consistently the moral authority. Like I said, I would’ve fired rich rod for actual mismanagement of the team, but this wouldn’t be one of the reasons. And if Universities are going to take this “moral” stand (oh my he had an affair), then they can be consistent like BYU and we won’t have any confusion. But if highly left wing universities are going to pick and choose when to take a stand, we have an issue.

 

[Bowlmania]

Having an affair is “wrong”. If universities are now going to be the moral authority, they can end a lot of their left wing stances now. They may as well I go BYU, then there will be no confusion. Have sex? You’re out. Because technically that’s “wrong” unless you’re married. Lie? You’re out. Get drunk? You’re out. You don’t hear of these cases at BYU because at least they’re consistent. But I find it hard to believe that The University of Arizona is consistently the moral authority. Like I said, I would’ve fired rich rod for actual mismanagement of the team, but this wouldn’t be one of the reasons. And if Universities are going to take this “moral” stand (oh my he had an affair), then they can be consistent like BYU and we won’t have any confusion. But if highly left wing universities are going to pick and choose when to take a stand, we have an issue.

Read the Notice of Claim the plaintiffs have filed. This isn't about morality. It's about legality. The accuser contends (with much factual detail) that she was subjected to repeated sexual harassment in a hostile work environment. That's illegal.

 

[turney333]

Having an affair is “wrong”. If universities are now going to be the moral authority, they can end a lot of their left wing stances now. They may as well I go BYU, then there will be no confusion. Have sex? You’re out. Because technically that’s “wrong” unless you’re married. Lie? You’re out. Get drunk? You’re out. You don’t hear of these cases at BYU because at least they’re consistent. But I find it hard to believe that The University of Arizona is consistently the moral authority. Like I said, I would’ve fired rich rod for actual mismanagement of the team, but this wouldn’t be one of the reasons. And if Universities are going to take this “moral” stand (oh my he had an affair), then they can be consistent like BYU and we won’t have any confusion. But if highly left wing universities are going to pick and choose when to take a stand, we have an issue.

I'm not saying that the affair per se is reason for termination, but if drama from that affair spills over into the work environment, then termination might be warranted (depending on the scale of drama).

Matt Painter supposedly had an affair that lead to his divorce, but he's still employed by Purdue because it didn't escalate.

 

[turney333]

Read the Notice of Claim the plaintiffs have filed. This isn't about morality. It's about legality. The accuser contends (with much factual detail) that she was subjected to repeated sexual harassment in a hostile work environment. That's illegal.

Though I think Superstar84 and I have been discussing that at least the "cited reason" by Arizona for firing RR has nothing to do with the accusations of harassment, but "other" things, which I was speculating to be fall out from his affair (not with the harassment accuser) to which RR has admitted to.

The harassment allegations are another can of worms and most certainly are illegal, but weren't the stated reason by Arizona for firing him. It very well be that Arizona fired him because of those allegations but are trying to legally protect themselves so as not to admit fault.

 

[Superstar84b]

I'm not saying that the affair per se is reason for termination, but if drama from that affair spills over into the work environment, then termination might be warranted (depending on the scale of drama).

Matt Painter supposedly had an affair that lead to his divorce, but he's still employed by Purdue because it didn't escalate.

That makes sense. If it creates drama, anything could impact the work environment. If your premise is that they fired him due to the drama, I obviously am not going to argue with that and am in agreement that it wasn’t a moralistic decision.

 

[sparkeyreturns]

So Rich Rod's accused of walking around in his underwear and fondling himself in front of his asst, and forcing the woman to cover up an affair........My questions are 1. When did this walking around in your underwear and fondling yourself start? Seems like that's going on in all of these harassment claims these days. I didn't get that memo. Have any of you guys heard of these things going on where you work? 2. Once this chick gets her $2M(she's asking for 7.5), how long before Rich Rod checks himself into a sex addict clinic, then how long before he's rehabilitated and ready to be coach again? (He may be qualified to be an OC in the NFL right now) 3. It's really hard for seriously injured accident victims to get 1/10 of what this woman is asking for How ****ed up is the legal system for awarding millions of $s on these "trauma" claims when a women continues to work for years with the alleged harasser? The original idea on civil lawsuits was to compensate people for actual injuries. Now its all about punishing bad behavior and finding the deep pocket.

Or men could always just stop pulling their penis out in front of women who depend on them for paychecks.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

Or men could always just stop pulling their penis out in front of women who depend on them for paychecks.

So if they don’t depend on them for paychecks it’s okay? Hot diggity!

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Though I think Superstar84 and I have been discussing that at least the "cited reason" by Arizona for firing RR has nothing to do with the accusations of harassment, but "other" things, which I was speculating to be fall out from his affair (not with the harassment accuser) to which RR has admitted to.

The harassment allegations are another can of worms and most certainly are illegal, but weren't the stated reason by Arizona for firing him. It very well be that Arizona fired him because of those allegations but are trying to legally protect themselves so as not to admit fault.

I think you can take out the "It may well be that" phrase in paragraph 2.

I certainly think she's got a case. She deserves some $ for putting up with his crap. I just don't think she should get $1,2,3 or 7.5M for it. She stayed around for 6 years, didn't tell her husband everything until then, got her daughter a job with the football program. She lied to his wife at his request. She didn't have to do any of that. She's saying she was helpless. She wasn't. She wasn't underage, mentally deficient, or indigent. The problem with huge awards/pay-offs without any proof of real mental/physical damages is that it screws up the legal system, which traditionally was designed to compensate for provable damages. Bottom line is I don't trust today's average idiot juror, attorney, or judge in high profile cases. Exhibit A? Any case handled by Gloria Allred

 

[Indianaftw]

Or men could always just stop pulling their penis out in front of women who depend on them for paychecks.

Society...Media throws sh!t up on internet. People assume guilt! When are people gonna learn how f*cked up the media is? Even if you win in court your so smeared your ruined for life in these days!

 

[Thomtar]

Society...Media throws sh!t up on internet. People assume guilt! When are people gonna learn how f*cked up the media is? Even if you win in court your so smeared your ruined for life in these days!

I'm sorry, but I must have missed this angle to the story, ftw. Can you please give me the name of the reporter who made RichRod prance around his office in his underwear and fondle his junk?
Meanwhile, wasn't the coach fired from his high-profile job? Wasn't a lawsuit actually filed? Can you give me the name of the reporter who fired RichRod? How about the name of the reporter who filed the lawsuit?

 

[Bowlmania]

Society...Media throws sh!t up on internet. People assume guilt! When are people gonna learn how f*cked up the media is? Even if you win in court your so smeared your ruined for life in these days!

Sure, everything's the media's fault. Everything's fake news. The mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Keep buying into that line of bullshit and you'll wake up one day with no First Amendment and no democracy.

I'm done. This should be a Water Cooler topic.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

Sure, everything's the media's fault. Everything's fake news. The mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Keep buying into that line of bullshit and you'll wake up one day with no First Amendment and no democracy.

I'm done. This should be a Water Cooler topic.

I don’t see anyone campaigning to remove the 1st Amendment....I do see people campaigning to remove the 2nd Amendment. By the way, those trying to remove the 2nd Amendment actually did try at cheat/effect the outcome of a Primary and deprive people of their democratic rights afforded under a democracy.

Just saying, just like IU football, it is good to look in the mirror sometimes. The reflection isn’t always pretty.

 

[Bowlmania]

I don’t see anyone campaigning to remove the 1st Amendment....I do see people campaigning to remove the 2nd Amendment. By the way, those trying to remove the 2nd Amendment actually did try at cheat/effect the outcome of a Primary and deprive people of their democratic rights afforded under a democracy.

Just saying, just like IU football, it is good to look in the mirror sometimes. The reflection isn’t always pretty.

Stick to football analysis, bro.

Have a good weekend.

 

[Indianaftw]

Sure, everything's the media's fault. Everything's fake news. The mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Keep buying into that line of bullshit and you'll wake up one day with no First Amendment and no democracy.

I'm done. This should be a Water Cooler topic.

Dang man chill...I've read several conflicting stories the past couple days. Sorry I don't believe the media AT ALL and always check several sources to try and weigh it out and make up my own mind.

Also the 6th amendment says your innocent until proven guilty!!! So why is everyone assuming Rich rod is guilty of what this lady is claiming. Jeez its pile on men lately

So you keep buying into what the media says and drive yourself nuts. I have dismissed several news sources out of my life because of far left or far right spins.

 

[Indianaftw]

Stick to football analysis, bro.

Have a good weekend.

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