Recruiting Rankings

[Middawg]

Another gem of a post pasted below from RR about Florida.


Interesting to see how these guys were viewed before getting experience in a quality system:

Walter Clayton Jr - #69 transfer (#17 PG)
Thomas Haugh - NR 3 star
Alex Condon - NR 3 star
Alijah Martin - #129 transfer
Will Richard - #46 transfer
Rueben Chinyelu - #104 transfer

Florida is dominating college basketball with ZERO elite recruits. Coaching, fit and development are still the best way to win.

 

[kmathum]

Another gem of a post pasted below from RR about Florida.


Interesting to see how these guys were viewed before getting experience in a quality system:

Walter Clayton Jr - #69 transfer (#17 PG)
Thomas Haugh - NR 3 star
Alex Condon - NR 3 star
Alijah Martin - #129 transfer
Will Richard - #46 transfer
Rueben Chinyelu - #104 transfer

Florida is dominating college basketball with ZERO elite recruits. Coaching, fit and development are still the best way to win.

Reminds me of coach CIG.

 

[T.M.P.]

Reminds me of coach CIG.

*eyeroll*

 

[YOTHN]

Another gem of a post pasted below from RR about Florida.


Interesting to see how these guys were viewed before getting experience in a quality system:

Walter Clayton Jr - #69 transfer (#17 PG)
Thomas Haugh - NR 3 star
Alex Condon - NR 3 star
Alijah Martin - #129 transfer
Will Richard - #46 transfer
Rueben Chinyelu - #104 transfer

Florida is dominating college basketball with ZERO elite recruits. Coaching, fit and development are still the best way to win.

Looking at that lineup, they had a roster FULL of elite recruits. They just had a coach who disregarded the rankings and put an actual team together.

 

[iubirdman]

Looking at that lineup, they had a roster FULL of elite recruits. They just had a coach who disregarded the rankings and put an actual team together.

ELITE players, not elite recruits.

 

[YOTHN]

ELITE players, not elite recruits.

That's the same thing. IU had elite players/recruits/talent, and a garbage coach that couldn't put it together.

What you're basing it on is purely some subjective people who gave them a star rating. That is just an opinion and not fact. The UF coach knew what he wanted and what they were, even if you didnt because you looked at their star rating. Good coaches do that. That's my point.

 

[Bucket Getter]

That's the same thing. IU had elite players/recruits/talent, and a garbage coach that couldn't put it together.

What you're basing it on is purely some subjective people who gave them a star rating. That is just an opinion and not fact. The UF coach knew what he wanted and what they were, even if you didnt because you looked at their star rating. Good coaches do that. That's my point.

Careful. You’ve made willdoggy angry.

 

[iubirdman]

That's the same thing. IU had elite players/recruits/talent, and a garbage coach that couldn't put it together.

What you're basing it on is purely some subjective people who gave them a star rating. That is just an opinion and not fact. The UF coach knew what he wanted and what they were, even if you didnt because you looked at their star rating. Good coaches do that. That's my point.

OK, they were not considered elite as HS prospects, you are right, good coaching developed them into elite players. Kids develop at different rates. The Florida kids were not close to finished products when the stepped on campus, hence the lower rankings and me saying they were not elite recruits. Their development and the system they were in made them into elite players

 

[TR32]

The coaching by both Pearl and Golden in the 2nd half was pretty bad. Much better coaching in the 2nd game.

I'm not at all impressed with Golden so far. The 2 guards are impressive though. Very good. Golden gets credit for putting the squad together.

 

[YOTHN]

OK, they were not considered elite as HS prospects, you are right, good coaching developed them into elite players. Kids develop at different rates. The Florida kids were not close to finished products when the stepped on campus, hence the lower rankings and me saying they were not elite recruits. Their development and the system they were in made them into elite players

Says you.

 

[iubirdman]

Says you.

And every service that watched them. I get it guys miss, but they were not ELITE coming in, the Duke kids were ELITE recruits. Again they DEVELOPED into ELITE players, not sure why that is controversial? There are very that are considered ELITE, by the nature of the term, none of them came in as the absolute top 5-10 kids in the country, which would be ELITE. Maybe we just have a different definition of that word

 

[YOTHN]

And every service that watched them. I get it guys miss, but they were not ELITE coming in, the Duke kids were ELITE recruits. Again they DEVELOPED into ELITE players, not sure why that is controversial? There are very that are considered ELITE, by the nature of the term, none of them came in as the absolute top 5-10 kids in the country, which would be ELITE. Maybe we just have a different definition of that word

Your posts read like....

 

[IUPaterade724]

Another gem of a post pasted below from RR about Florida.


Interesting to see how these guys were viewed before getting experience in a quality system:

Walter Clayton Jr - #69 transfer (#17 PG)
Thomas Haugh - NR 3 star
Alex Condon - NR 3 star
Alijah Martin - #129 transfer
Will Richard - #46 transfer
Rueben Chinyelu - #104 transfer

Florida is dominating college basketball with ZERO elite recruits. Coaching, fit and development are still the best way to win.

Careful, you might upset the simpletons that will lose one of the very few neurons they have left when CDD doesn’t want every player available in the portal that looks good on paper. Let’s not forget the twits that are upset players that competed WAY below their talent level for IU while getting paid handsomely deciding to go elsewhere for a fresh start. We live in a world of goldfish.

 

[iubud]

The coaching by both Pearl and Golden in the 2nd half was pretty bad. Much better coaching in the 2nd game.

I'm not at all impressed with Golden so far. The 2 guards are impressive though. Very good. Golden gets credit for putting the squad together.

I always believed that coaching is what you do before the game starts. Preparing the team to make the correct decisions on the court and everyone playing from the same script, reinforcing fundamentals, and bringing in coachable players is coaching to me. In game adjustments and substitutions/who is hot are game management.

I coached youth basketball and witnessed coaches yelling out instructions nonstop the entire game. I focused on keeping the kids' jobs easy and teach them why and what we were doing. I didn't need to yell a lot on the court. They knew what to do and after a few minutes what players they needed to contain.

 

[kkott]

The coaching by both Pearl and Golden in the 2nd half was pretty bad. Much better coaching in the 2nd game.

I'm not at all impressed with Golden so far. The 2 guards are impressive though. Very good. Golden gets credit for putting the squad together.

Credit for putting the squad together and getting them to play hard. They'll make mistakes, but they keep getting after it.

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

The coaching by both Pearl and Golden in the 2nd half was pretty bad. Much better coaching in the 2nd game.

I'm not at all impressed with Golden so far. The 2 guards are impressive though. Very good. Golden gets credit for putting the squad together.

That is funny. Coaching in the second game was better than the first? Houston had the biggest comeback in Final Four history, what kind of coaching is that and Houston started hitting shots in the second half.

 

[Cavanagh]

That is funny. Coaching in the second game was better than the first? Houston had the biggest comeback in Final Four history, what kind of coaching is that and Houston started hitting shots in the second half.

Ol Johnny boy taught a tutorial in how to shit your pants.

 

[sobester]

That's the same thing. IU had elite players/recruits/talent, and a garbage coach that couldn't put it together.

What you're basing it on is purely some subjective people who gave them a star rating. That is just an opinion and not fact. The UF coach knew what he wanted and what they were, even if you didnt because you looked at their star rating. Good coaches do that. That's my point.

There is a strong correlation between rankings and team success. Just because it’s subjective doesn’t mean it’s not a pretty good indicator.

 

[YOTHN]

There is a strong correlation between rankings and team success. Just because it’s subjective doesn’t mean it’s not a pretty good indicator.

Tell me more. On avg, IU has had vastly more talent than the rest of the conference.....based on these rankings you speak of.

 

[daddyhoosier]

That's the same thing.

Strongly disagree that they are the same thing but I think what you are arguing is precisely the point being made. You guys are just coming at it from the opposite end.

 

[sobester]

Tell me more. On avg, IU has had vastly more talent than the rest of the conference.....based on these rankings you speak of.

More:

Exceptions don’t disprove correlations.

 

[ams66]

Tell me more. On avg, IU has had vastly more talent than the rest of the conference.....based on these rankings you speak of.

You still need a good coach. But given that, teams with highly ranked players tend to be better. I'd believe that.

 

[YOTHN]

You still need a good coach. But given that, teams with highly ranked players tend to be better. I'd believe that.

On average, highly ranked players play for good coaches.

 

[YOTHN]

More:

Exceptions don’t disprove correlations.

Correct, but just because there is an indirect correlation, doesn’t prove the point. Most players that are talented play for good coaches.

 

[sobester]

Correct, but just because there is an indirect correlation, doesn’t prove the point. Most players that are talented play for good coaches.

I’m not disputing that or that you need a good coach. Just saying you generally need highly ranked players to win big bevause the higher ranked players are generally better players.

 

[OpenWheels]

And, 'good coach' means someone who is generally better at identifying the true 'star rating' of a recruit.

As we know from recent experience.
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[YOTHN]

I’m not disputing that or that you need a good coach. Just saying you generally need highly ranked players to win big bevause the higher ranked players are generally better players.

Ok.good, so you agree with me. Rankings are meaningless and it's coaching that truly matters.

 

[sobester]

Ok.good, so you agree with me. Rankings are meaningless and it's coaching that truly matters.

I’m glad we could resolve this conflict.

 

[YOTHN]

I’m glad we could resolve this conflict.

Ha It wasn't a conflict. I'd like to call it an educational opportunity.

 

[sobester]

Ha It wasn't a conflict. I'd like to call it an educational opportunity.

For which I am eternally grateful.