Reality check for the anti-Beard folks…
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That she/women bait men into DV. That they do it bc they know they can't retaliate. Which is certainly true in some cases...a vast minority of cases.
There's very few good reasons to put your hands on a woman. Her being the aggressor, unless it's with a deadly weapon, isn't one of them, IMO.
I've said before and will say again. UT conducted their own internal investigation, even after she recanted her story, and found that he was no longer fit to be their HC. We're not deciding whether he goes to jail or not, we're deciding if he's the right guy to coach our basketball team. Texas decided he wasn't, which tells me there was plenty of information there to suggest he wasn't some victim of a raging lunatic baiting him into DV.
So many people fail to see this. Who cares if the charges were dropped? He attacked her because she snatched his glasses off his head and then after the fall out tried to justify it as self-defense. Nether Beard nor Trew deny a physical altercation happened, yet so many people want to believe he was falsely accused of hitting a woman because charges were dropped and therefore nothing happened.
Of the people advocating for Beard, how many of you would attack your wife or girlfriend if she did something as trivial as snatch a book or phone out of your hand? I'm guessing not many as I'd like to believe there are very few scum bags posting among us. IU doesn't need a scum bag coach.
Good post. Lots of posters suggest IU does thier own research (which I'm sure they did), when UT did enough research to decide he couldn't be the coach any longer. If nothing else, the Chris Beard nonsense has been entertaining.
Seyton 
I'm not sure how many of you have attempted to be a college coach, but unless you're born into it, the majority of the time you latch on to a less than desirable opportunity. Your girlfriend is "all in" you get married and you have a kid. Then you get a better gig, but by no means a good one. Then another kid. Now you're on the road alot in s7ithole motels, never home. then your "all in" wife divorces you. Now life is really great. Now you bounce to another gig as a head coach that really sucks but you need the extra 10 grand for child support. Then on the road you go to the motel lounge every night and drown your sorrows. (I'll take myself out of the story now and insert Beard) then a miracle happens and you get a job with a great coach that sees that you have some talent. You're still on the road. Then because of that role you get a D1 job at Little Rock which is a gang infested hell hole and you crush it. Still never home. Back to Texas Tech. Crush it again. Ex-wife and kids happy though because they get more money, still on the road, still doing road stuff. Going on 20 years of road stuff, so when you get to Texas you want to settle down maybe so you move in the only thing youve known for 20 years, a party girl. She's "all-in" (I did this too) You are still a coach so you aren't home at normal hours. You still drink and when you come home it's not long before you hate walking into your own house because of the crazy bitch on the other side of the door that you have to argue with. By the time you get home, she's half in the bag and either wants to fight or--'. You resent her because you've blown God knows how much money on her and she don't appreciate s7it. I'll guarentee you he'd dealt with her slapping and scratching insanity and had to pin her down before on many occasions. She probably threatened to call the cops many times. This time she did. She back peddled when she saw the gravey train was leaving the station.
I went into healtcare and retired. I volunteer once a week as part of a Catholic ministry at a maximum security prison. Real felons.
I'm not sure how many of you have attempted to be a college coach, but unless you're born into it, the majority of the time you latch on to a less than desirable opportunity. Your girlfriend is "all in" you get married and you have a kid. Then you get a better gig, but by no means a good one. Then another kid. Now you're on the road alot in s7ithole motels, never home. then your "all in" wife divorces you. Now life is really great. Now you bounce to another gig as a head coach that really sucks but you need the extra 10 grand for child support. Then on the road you go to the motel lounge every night and drown your sorrows. (I'll take myself out of the story now and insert Beard) then a miracle happens and you get a job with a great coach that sees that you have some talent. You're still on the road. Then because of that role you get a D1 job at Little Rock which is a gang infested hell hole and you crush it. Still never home. Back to Texas Tech. Crush it again. Ex-wife and kids happy though because they get more money, still on the road, still doing road stuff. Going on 20 years of road stuff, so when you get to Texas you want to settle down maybe so you move in the only thing youve known for 20 years, a party girl. She's "all-in" (I did this too) You are still a coach so you aren't home at normal hours. You still drink and when you come home it's not long before you hate walking into your own house because of the crazy bitch on the other side of the door that you have to argue with. By the time you get home, she's half in the bag and either wants to fight or--'. You resent her because you've blown God knows how much money on her and she don't appreciate s7it. I'll guarentee you he'd dealt with her slapping and scratching insanity and had to pin her down before on many occasions. She probably threatened to call the cops many times. This time she did. She back peddled when she saw the gravey train was leaving the station.
I went into healtcare and retired. I volunteer once a week as part of a Catholic ministry at a maximum security prison. Real felons.
I've gone through a divorce and not once ever attacked my ex-wife. And I've had a lot worse happen to me than having a pair of reading glasses snatched from head.Seyton
I'm not sure how many of you have attempted to be a college coach, but unless you're born into it, the majority of the time you latch on to a less than desirable opportunity. Your girlfriend is "all in" you get married and you have a kid. Then you get a better gig, but by no means a good one. Then another kid. Now you're on the road alot in s7ithole motels, never home. then your "all in" wife divorces you. Now life is really great. Now you bounce to another gig as a head coach that really sucks but you need the extra 10 grand for child support. Then on the road you go to the motel lounge every night and drown your sorrows. (I'll take myself out of the story now and insert Beard) then a miracle happens and you get a job with a great coach that sees that you have some talent. You're still on the road. Then because of that role you get a D1 job at Little Rock which is a gang infested hell hole and you crush it. Still never home. Back to Texas Tech. Crush it again. Ex-wife and kids happy though because they get more money, still on the road, still doing road stuff. Going on 20 years of road stuff, so when you get to Texas you want to settle down maybe so you move in the only thing youve known for 20 years, a party girl. She's "all-in" (I did this too) You are still a coach so you aren't home at normal hours. You still drink and when you come home it's not long before you hate walking into your own house because of the crazy bitch on the other side of the door that you have to argue with. By the time you get home, she's half in the bag and either wants to fight or--'. You resent her because you've blown God knows how much money on her and she don't appreciate s7it. I'll guarentee you he'd dealt with her slapping and scratching insanity and had to pin her down before on many occasions. She probably threatened to call the cops many times. This time she did. She back peddled when she saw the gravey train was leaving the station.
I went into healtcare and retired. I volunteer once a week as part of a Catholic ministry at a maximum security prison. Real felons.
But by all means, justify Chris Beard's actions because he's a good basketball coach.
I disagree slightly in that you can put your hands on a woman to subdue them if needed. In the course of doing that, of course, cuts and bruises could happen.
I don't trust Texas' evaluation because, as I generally alluded to earlier, I don't think they cared to even know if he was innocent because of the noise and the cancel bullying. It's much easier for them to distance themselves from him than it is to keep him. In these cases, I seriously doubt if the man's innocence is even considered. PR and blowback are all that matters and, frankly, there are probably a lot of people involved that will never even consider anything other than him being guilty - just as there are here.
I don't think framing the discussion in terms of baiting someone into domestic violence is correct. Rather domestic violence is one of the outcomes of women not being afraid to get in men's faces or physically confront them. And while most don't do that just as a general rule of societal etiquette, there are plenty of ones that do.
Trew admitted to starting the whole incident by breaking Beard's glasses. Who knows what happened before or after that.
You and I are usually on opposite sides of things, I think. I'd be interested to get your take on my take of the following:
The National Domestic Violence Hotline says that 35% of women and 28% of men have been the victim of domestic abuse from their intimate partner via rape, physical violence or stalking at some time in their life.
That makes zero sense to me, and I don't buy it for a second. Two-thirds of the adult population of America? No chance. The way my mind works, then, is that I go to the thresholds they're using to define domestic violence are way too low. I think that harms their cause. It's important enough that it doesn't need any embellishing. While we don't want men just out there pushing around women generally speaking, the penalty for domestic abuse is severe and because it is, so too should the threshold of action.
If you're standing in line somewhere and somebody accuses you of cutting and you get in an argument and the guy gets in your face and you push him away a there are people who say he or she could press charges for assault. I'm not one of them. That's a serious charge and a shove doesn't warrant that. If you get shoved like that, even if you weren't in someone's face, but especially if you were, you may be mad or embarrassed but that's life. There are jerks everywhere. You have to put it in your pocket.
But you know neither what she did, or he did. You say he attacked her, but you don't know that. At all. You don't know what, if anything, preceded it and you don't know what happened after.
I was thinking she was out of control and kept it up after she broke his glasses. That he was trying to subdue and maybe did it with a little extra emphasis because he was mad.
What makes your assumption of attacking her more credible than my assumption? Especially in lieu of her admission that she started the whole incident by breaking his glasses. She also stated that she didn't think Beard was trying to hurt her - consistent with him trying to subdue her as opposed to attacking her.
There's so much information out there if people were really interested
Bless your heart. Haven’t said a single thing that wasn’t in police report . I was mistaken about where the bites were and said so. I’ve commented on the video of his drunken rant and the other poster who commented on Pat Knight. I’ve not tried to pass anything off as fact that wasn’t. But boy it sure makes you angry.
Imo there's no excuse for a man putting his hands on a woman in anger unless he's being attacked and he can't get away. At that point all he can do is get ahold of her hands and hold on for dear life until the cops get there.
She literally said he attacked her because she snatched his glasses off of his head and then after the fact tried to justify it claiming he was acting in self-defense. Neither party has denied a physical altercation took place and Chris Beard did absolutely nothing to fight losing a $30 million buyout for wrongful termination. Biting, strangling, and bruising a woman is not acceptable under any circumstance regardless of what happened prior. I don't need to justify this again. If you're ok with a man laying hands on a woman, just say it. It would make a ton more sense than trying to justify his actions regardless of who started the argument.
Outside a life-threatening situation, there is absolutely ZERO reason to EVER put your hands on another woman.
With all due respect, there's a world out there outside of yours. I went through a divorce as well, and while going through that divorce, one time, after having cross-cut the lawn, paid the bills, vacuumed the house, cleaned the kitchen and gotten everything in immaculate order, a police officer showed up at the door. When I went to the door he just looked at me. I finally said, "What's going on?" and he gave me a look and asked me in a confrontational manner, "I don't know. Why don't you tell me?" It was then that I looked over and saw my soon to be ex-wife sitting with my 10-month-old son on one side and my two-year-old son on the other, trying to muster some crocodile tears. There had been absolutely nothing going on, but the nightmare was playing out: she was really going for it. I couldn't believe it. Lucky for me I was calm and truly bewildered and the house was immaculate. The officer asked me if there had been an argument or if I'd been yelling and I said simply, "No." He asked my ex if I'd argued with or yelled at her and she replied, "No, but he was saying things sarcastically and making me feel uncomfortable."
The officer was stunned. He told her that was not a reason to call the police. He apologized to me and told me watch my back. He's seen it a million times and not all officers are interested in the man's explanation no matter how plausible and/or evident it is.
It turns out her attorney, my attorney and the judge were not very happy with her and she had to formally apologize to all of us at the judge's insistence.
She's not like that generally speaking but she got caught up in the bitterness of divorce and rode a wave of cheerleading from her friends and family.
I also had a good friend who had a good friend whose career as a schoolteacher was ended by a female student who falsely accused him of sexual misconduct. Even when it was proven she was lying the school district would not take him back and he was unable to find a job in teaching.
My experiences didn't teach me to just say all women are whack job liars who deserve it. It taught me to block out the tidal wave of knee-jerk reactions, uneducated conclusions and immense noise and judge what happened and make a reasoned guess as to why.
It all matters.
Maybe Beard is a scumbag. But if he is I don't know of any incidents that prove it. This one is murky at best. And it doesn't bother me at all to say so.
I’d say there evidence of that for him also. Where’s the evidence for her? Could be true, just haven’t seen it
I don’t know that it backfired on her. Perhaps she would have been hurt much worse had she not called.
Not interested in any more information. The topic has been talked about Ad Nauseam. Maybe just start a support group. But don’t use this group.
Zeke, you've misrepresented the police report. The bitemarks you've been hanging your hat on weren't where you said. They were on her forearm. That makes sense to you? That whatever they were doing, he made a point of grabbing her arm, straightening it out and bit down on it?
That doesn't give anyone here pause, like "Well, that doesn't make sense. How could that happen?"
We're not talking about thousands of other cases. We're talking about this one. Why hasn't Beard ever given his side of things - to the police, the DA, the press - anyone? Could it be at least in part because he wants to protect Trew?
What's so hard about considering it in this particular case?
Not sure but there was probably no one looking for you to justify anything in the first place. I'm pretty sure you took it upon yourself to comment on this thread. Just because someone questions the altercation doesn't mean they are "ok with a man laying hands on a woman". I'll say this again, if it were a huge issue she should have pressed charges. It sets a poor example is she is completely innocent and was a victim for her not to? Maybe there is more to the story? Maybe she had a huge hand in the matter?
Women shouldn't step into the role of a man, hitting or putting hands on anyone when not warranted is bad. I'm sure you see that the same way.
Glad you clarified that outside of life threatening situations I should not put my hands on my wife, damn that woman is needy. I'll tell her to resort to your post telling me not to tonight.
We aren't talking about someone calling the cops because their feeling were hurt or somebody being falsely accused of sexual assault. We're talking about a guy with an anger problem who resorts to violence. How are the two comparable? If the situation was that toxic that night, go sit in your damn car and call the police. Or better yet, leave the god damn residence.
You're trying to justify Beard retaliating to a non-life threatening situation by laying hands on a woman. The day I ever lay hands on a woman because she broke my glasses is the day you can bury me alive. Simple as that.
Certainly. On her arms. She might kick you She might bite you She might head butt you but you can't hit or strangle her. At that point you're being the aggressor not defender. You just can't do it.
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Not at all how Domestic Violence cases work. Not up to the accuser to press or drop charges. Try learning the law.
Good storySeyton
I'm not sure how many of you have attempted to be a college coach, but unless you're born into it, the majority of the time you latch on to a less than desirable opportunity. Your girlfriend is "all in" you get married and you have a kid. Then you get a better gig, but by no means a good one. Then another kid. Now you're on the road alot in s7ithole motels, never home. then your "all in" wife divorces you. Now life is really great. Now you bounce to another gig as a head coach that really sucks but you need the extra 10 grand for child support. Then on the road you go to the motel lounge every night and drown your sorrows. (I'll take myself out of the story now and insert Beard) then a miracle happens and you get a job with a great coach that sees that you have some talent. You're still on the road. Then because of that role you get a D1 job at Little Rock which is a gang infested hell hole and you crush it. Still never home. Back to Texas Tech. Crush it again. Ex-wife and kids happy though because they get more money, still on the road, still doing road stuff. Going on 20 years of road stuff, so when you get to Texas you want to settle down maybe so you move in the only thing youve known for 20 years, a party girl. She's "all-in" (I did this too) You are still a coach so you aren't home at normal hours. You still drink and when you come home it's not long before you hate walking into your own house because of the crazy bitch on the other side of the door that you have to argue with. By the time you get home, she's half in the bag and either wants to fight or--'. You resent her because you've blown God knows how much money on her and she don't appreciate s7it. I'll guarentee you he'd dealt with her slapping and scratching insanity and had to pin her down before on many occasions. She probably threatened to call the cops many times. This time she did. She back peddled when she saw the gravey train was leaving the station.
I went into healtcare and retired. I volunteer once a week as part of a Catholic ministry at a maximum security prison. Real felons.
In my opinion, we can't judge a guy by his best day or his worst day. Chris Beard got in a fight with a woman. No good!
However, according to the police report she started the altercation, broke his glasses, became physical with him, tried to kick him in the balls, and was pissed about at him about something. She's also not a tiny little lady. She is a former D1 volleyball player.
While everyone agrees you can't fight back against girls, this is pretty tricky if she is breaking stuff and trying to hurt you. This seems to be different than a typical domestic violence where the guy seeks out the violence and initiates against the weaker sex.
Also, did she call the police because she afraid of another round of the altercation or did she call because she was still mad? I agree that she probably didn't realize the magnitude when she called and then tried to walk it all back.
I assume this is the only time he ever had a situation like this? Any history of abusing anyone in his past, like his ex-wife?
Again, I think IU needs a top 5 coach. The admin has been saying that this is Indiana, any coach can make it work for too long. I think that is why they let Knight go initially. They thought the IU brand was enough...no pun intended. Lots of coaches win when they have the more talented roster. Crean, for example, won a lot of games when he had loaded rosters. However, the moment the talent level dipped, the losing began. I want IU to have a coach that can win even with a less talented roster. The Knight teams did this often. The Fab 5 were the talk of college hoops but IU played smarter and were able to win. Syracuse has a more talent in 87 but IU maxed out their talent and played smarter. I see Beard being able to replicate a lot of the teams I remember from the past. TT was in a bad place and he brought them to new heights in a really tough BIG12. Those Kansas, Texas, Baylor, etc rosters were often MUCH deeper and with the higher rated recruits and yet TT was always able to pull off a lof of upsets.
Last thing...Houston U took a chance on KS and they are pretty happy they did. St Johns took a chance on RP and they are pretty happy they did. Sometimes you take a less than perfect resume and it still all works out in sports. Hopefully Whitten, Dolson, and whoever else at IU take a chance on Beard!
I said one time they were on her face and then corrected that. You’d think he’d give up his job and the money he was owed to protect her?
Just stop it won't work. I would only bite a woman's arm if she had it in a position of force against me and I didn't want to do larger amounts of damage. Well maybe I would bite her arm for other things, but it probably wouldn't be her arm. lol
I think Trew has major issues to be discussed in the incident and quit honestly both parties wanted it to go away. I'm glad Beard got a second chance would I love for IU to give him a better second chance absolutely but I'm a realist and know that isn't happening. Welcome to mediocre coaching hire number 3 in 9 years.
You are emotional, immature and mistaken and I hope you are never in position of consequence to judge someone.
She never said he attacked her. You say that. She said she believes what he did was out of self-defense.
Read an article, any article
I think you read a lot into the police report that was not there.Never saw mention of her trying to kick him. Wonder why if it was such a battle he had no marks whatsoever?
I don't need to learn the law you just made my point. If she didn't have to press charges then the police should have, but they didn't? Why is that? Do I need a law degree to see there is way more to this that what the people who do not wish to have Beard hired are saying?
Can you justify this for me one more time?
None of this reads like that to me. In real instances, sure. But like I said, that's not the feeling I get from this one.
If you know everything why haven't you gone to the police, then? I mean tell the world - we'd all be very relieved because then we wouldn't have to wonder if he's a viable candidate or not. And certainly you'd be a hero to just about everybody! What are you waiting for, superstar??
But honestly, if you can't understand the correlation, I mean, I might as well be trying to convince Lifelong that Woodson's a bad coach.
From your article
“As Chris’ fiancée and biggest supporter, I apologize for the role I played in this unfortunate event. I realize that my frustration, when breaking his glasses, initiated a physical struggle between Chris and myself. Chris did not strangle me, and I told that to law enforcement that evening.”
If you think starting a physical altercation with a woman, let alone your significant other, who broke your glasses is an acceptable response....then F*** You.
End of discussion.
I don't need to learn the law you just made my point. If she didn't have to press charges then the police should have, but they didn't? Why is that? Do I need a law degree to see there is way more to this that what the people who do not wish to have Beard hired are saying?
Can you justify this for me one more time?
Well done.
You left out the part where she said she doesn't believe he was trying to hurt her. So that's kind of contradictory.
You're not noble. You're just loud.
Because the State isn't going to spend the time and/or resources to take a case to trial with an uncooperating witness. Any half-whit public defender would destroy her on the witness stand. Trials cost time and tax payer money if you didn't know?I don't need to learn the law you just made my point. If she didn't have to press charges then the police should have, but they didn't? Why is that? Do I need a law degree to see there is way more to this that what the people who do not wish to have Beard hired are saying?
Can you justify this for me one more time?
Seriously?
I'm surprised women talk to you, assuming they do.
Hopefully there's a court order permitting you from going within 50 feet of one.
Oh yeah, breaking his glasses was just some kind of foreplay that elicited her being bit and strangled.
F****** idiot.
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