Reality check for the anti-Beard folks…

[bsmitty08]

State of college football and basketball coaches…
It is weird on white “big name” coaches are.

National title game in football was two guys that were promoted to head coaching roles at current school. Ryan Day and Marcus Freeman.

Top basketball team in the country Duke has a promoted assistant as head coach.

Other top 10 teams this year:
Oates-Bama hired from Buffalo
Golden- Florida hired from San Francisco
Izzo- promoted from ast coach (1 title)
Tj Otz- ISU hired him from UNLV
Gard- promoted from assist
McGasland- Texas tech hired from North Texas

Other top ten teams: Barnes at Tennesee (no titles), Pearl at Auburn(no titles), Houston Sampson (no titles), Pitino (2 titles)

So I guess the argument is who is the big name coaches currently that are no brainers?

If I am IU I’m pushing hard on a young coach like TJ Otz, McGasland or a legit true quick winner like Pearl, Few or Jay Wright. They say no, you go after these young guys.

 

[Jim Coyle]

If I was going to bet the house on one person, I would say Cronin. He just seems like the most likely fall back candidate when Dull Son can't get who he really wants. It's also a "safe" pick in that he's unlikely to be a disaster. The national media would not give him grief.

Personally, if we can't land a big fish I'd like to see us go for an up and comer, with McCollum and Otz being the most prominent.

I see the odds as follows as of now:

--Cronin..........12%
--Drew.............10%
--Stevens.......10%
--Few................10%
--Beard............10%
--McCullom....10%
--Otz.................10%
--DeVries.........5%
--May.................5%
--McCasland...4%
--Byington.......4%
--Pearl...............3%
--Brownell........3%
--Buzz................3%
--Shertz.............1%

My response would be:

--Drew.............15%
--Otz.................15%
--T. Bennett... 15%
--McCullum....10%
--Cronin..........8%
--McCasland...5%
--Byington.......4%
--Brownell........4%
--Buzz................4%

No Chance:
--Pearl...............3%
--Stevens.......0%
--Few................0%
--Beard............0%
--May.................0%

 

[bailey777]

Man, this is painful …and depressing…and infuriating. All at once. I could elaborate some more but my blood pressure would probably go through the roof and I’d stroke out while typing.

But beard..

 

[GThomas]

If I was going to bet the house on one person, I would say Cronin. He just seems like the most likely fall back candidate when Dull Son can't get who he really wants. It's also a "safe" pick in that he's unlikely to be a disaster. The national media would not give him grief.

Personally, if we can't land a big fish I'd like to see us go for an up and comer, with McCollum and Otz being the most prominent.

I see the odds as follows as of now:

--Cronin..........12%
--Drew.............10%
--Stevens.......10%
--Few................10%
--Beard............10%
--McCullom....10%
--Otz.................10%
--DeVries.........5%
--May.................5%
--McCasland...4%
--Byington.......4%
--Pearl...............3%
--Brownell........3%
--Buzz................3%
--Shertz.............1%

Mark Few should be -1,000%. He's been saying "no" to teams for years; he'll retire a Zag.

 

[GThomas]

Drew/Baylor appears to be a pretty happy marriage. Hell, they might be soul mates.

Imo, Stevens is more probable than Drew.

 

[Kyser123]

My response would be:

--Drew.............15%
--Otz.................15%
--T. Bennett... 15%
--McCullum....10%
--Cronin..........8%
--McCasland...5%
--Byington.......4%
--Brownell........4%
--Buzz................4%

No Chance:
--Pearl...............3%
--Stevens.......0%
--Few................0%
--Beard............0%
--May.................0%

Depressing. This has mediocre IU written all over it.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I may be in the minority.....but I think that there are a handful of viable coaching options that are as good as Chris Beard. He checks all the boxes....but there are 3 or 4 who also do, who may be persuadable. I get that Rick Pitino endorsed Beard...but Pitino himself benefitted from a second chance after a dark episode, and can relate to it. So that endorsement really doesn't move the needle for me. This is a selection that IU cannot miss on. Frankly, there is no such thing as a "sure thing" given today's landscape of portal and NIL. Its semi-pro basketball, like it or not. Beard would likely get a tailor-made contract, complete with conduct clauses that may not exist for other candidates...who knows? But there are options which include Beard. Look at all of them.

Who's better? Or equivalent?

 

[UTFO]

Look, we have a POTUS who is fighting to get the Tate Bros out of jail and freed here to the US...

Our women (and my daughters) need protection from this crap.

Poo pooing what Beard did is a not so distant cousin of approving of the Tate idiots' return to the US, imho.

There's an ugly tide of "not good" men on the rise. Nothing "tough" or "bad ass" about it, either. It needs to be smacked down, hard.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

I know football makes more money. I’m asking if you are making facts or opinions on Dolson being evaluated on confetti panning out more so than basketball.

Best post ever.

 

[.Gerdis]

I think Beard was the best candidate after Stevens and May, and in a lot of ways, the most "sure thing" hire.

It is very clear that there is a portion of fans who think that "many candidates" could lead IU to a national title and that simply is misguided.

Those of us who were at IU during Knight's tenure and followed him closely know that Beard has legitimate similarities that a lot of coaches don't have. Neither Woodson nor Mike Davis ever coached similarly to Knight.

Some of the "candidates" being thrown around are simply not good enough to win big at Indiana. Like others have stated, they cannot mess this one up. This time they have to get it right. It's starting to look like that isn't going to happen.

With the next hire Indiana must distinguish themselves from the rest of the Big Ten and get a coach who can get IU back to the top annually. Period. Anything less, and the program, the legion of fans, and all the history fades away.

In 2 years from today, if IU isn't over 20 wins, they've most likely picked the wrong coach.

Yeah, it seems that many here believe that there is this huge list of coaches that would succeed, because IU is IU. Once they get to Bloomington, and drink the water then success will follow.

But, I think the absolute opposite is true. As RMKFAN1 said, the water isn’t special in Bloomington. I believe that the list of candidates that will succeed shrinks at IU. This is a program that hasn’t been anything special for decades.

Sure, we have people willing to throw top 5 money at players, and that will always attract people interested in that. But, we aren’t the only program with rich boosters, and that NIL gets offset by challenges that are unique to our program.

We can nail this hire, but it doesn’t mean it will be easy. Whether they want to or not, some of the better coaches that are being mentioned for the job would be doing things philosophically different at IU. They have built programs by developing teams composed of a certain type of player. I see posts here with people salivating at the prospect of bringing them in to coach way more talented players that they couldn’t get before because of money. “So and so has a slow offense because of the players he can get, but at IU that offense could be elite because of the top 10 money spent to get talent”.

But, that is a completely different philosophy. Hypothetical: Add one of the coaches being mentioned to a Calipari coached KY team. What happens? It’s not just about the X and Os. It’s about managing a bunch of different things, including the motives and conflicts of interest of the players.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

No, it’s quite a bit more than media rights. Schools with bigger football programs have materially more revenue than IU thanks to the football revenue they generate.

Scott is mostly judged on the results of by far the biggest college sport.

Recall that Glass built or improved facilities across all sports, transformed Memorial and surrounding areas, increased ticket sales, brought in an entire new class of donors, pioneered the Student Athlete Excellence programs and facilities, hired some very good coaches and yet was judged on one thing:

MBB

MBB made a ton of money btw.

 

[Tammany Hall]

Recall that Glass built or improved facilities across all sports, transformed Memorial and surrounding areas, increased ticket sales, brought in an entire new class of donors, pioneered the Student Athlete Excellence programs and facilities, hired some very good coaches and yet was judged on one thing:

MBB

MBB made a ton of money btw.

Kinda. Greenspan led the north endzone, which was the most transformative project. As for Glass, he was a mixed bag, he did a decent job with revenue (though most revenue growth was media rights), but missed on the big FB and bball hires. Non-rev hires were good. He kept his job for 12 years and seemed to leave on his own terms, I don’t know if anything was forced.

CFB is more important than ever with rev share costs and football driving the media rights deals. It’s nice bball does well for bball, but it does not come close to moving the needle like CFB. If IU doesn’t find a way to be decent at FB our whole athletic dept will struggle. If Cig can get us from bottom of the conference to mid pack it would transform our athletic dept.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Kinda. Greenspan led the north endzone, which was the most transformative project. As for Glass, he was a mixed bag, he did a decent job with revenue (though most revenue growth was media rights), but missed on the big FB and bball hires. Non-rev hires were good. He kept his job for 12 years and seemed to leave on his own terms, I don’t know if anything was forced.

CFB is more important than ever with rev share costs and football driving the media rights deals. It’s nice bball does well for bball, but it does not come close to moving the needle like CFB. If IU doesn’t find a way to be decent at FB our whole athletic dept will struggle. If Cig can get us from bottom of the conference to mid pack it would transform our athletic dept.

Greenspan did start the process, Glass expanded on it and finished.

Fred did leave on his own terms.

My point was that despite FB being the king financially, Glass was and still is judged by MBB.

 

[Tammany Hall]

Greenspan did start the process, Glass expanded on it and finished.

Fred did leave on his own terms.

My point was that despite FB being the king financially, Glass was and still is judged by MBB.

Maybe. I don't deny MBB is still the most popular sport.

For Scott, I think FB results will be more important than bball. If he gets FB to midpack with most games selling out, he can miss on this bball hire and probably another one before his job is at risk. If FB falls apart his job is at risk sooner. Scott's era is different than Fred's -- rev share costs and the media rights deals are so important (notably positioning for 2031) we just can't afford to be bad at football. Despite people caring, we can afford to be bad at bball.

Anyways, agree to disagree. Interesting discussion. I know you're pretty plugged into IU.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Maybe. I don't deny MBB is still the most popular sport.

For Scott, I think FB results will be more important than bball. If he gets FB to midpack with most games selling out, he can miss on this bball hire and probably another one before his job is at risk. If FB falls apart his job is at risk sooner. Scott's era is different than Fred's -- rev share costs and the media rights deals are so important (notably positioning for 2031) we just can't afford to be bad at football. Despite people caring, we can afford to be bad at bball.

Anyways, agree to disagree. Interesting discussion. I know you're pretty plugged into IU.

I do think you are spot on that FB results are will be a bigger component for SD than any previous AD.