Not really.
He made a joke about chicks at Purdue being ugly and his daughter is a chick at Purdue.
Do you not see how that's beyond hilarious?
Purdue has only sold around 14k season tickets.
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Not really.
He made a joke about chicks at Purdue being ugly and his daughter is a chick at Purdue.
Do you not see how that's beyond hilarious?
I'm not really in the business of talking about anybody's daughter on here, so whatever floats your boat.
While neither he nor you have any clue as to the gender of my PU grad child, he has been very creepy about it for some time.
Move on
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Actually, I made the joke. He just pointed out the joke I made...however, the cow thing has really evolved to any perdouche, not just the chicks. The constant droning and the smell from up north really reminds me of cows on a dairy farm. Thus, every perdouche (except for a select few that I have come to, well, respect wouldn't be the right word) gets the cow...especially boilercow...errr boilergal...err boilercow
Not sure how this compares with IU or other lower tier B1G schools, but here's an interesting fact. Between 2013 and 2014, puke attendance dropped from an average of 48,953 to to 35,269. That's a decrease of 13,684 or 28%, and is the largest drop in attendance of all P5 schools. That is the lowest puke average attendance since 1951 and the lowest total attendance since 1964.
http://www.jconline.com/story/sport...dance-drop-largest-among-power-five/20500711/
Also, in 2012 IU was coming off a 1-11 season and finished with a 4-8 record. In that year, the pukes were coming off a 7-6 year with Little Caesar's Bowl win and eventually finished 6-7 with a loss to OK State in the Heart of Dallas bowl. Despite coming off a horrible season with one win (not over a D1 School), IU averaged 44,802 per game in 2012 against the puke's 43,588.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2012.pdf
I find this interesting because over the years the puke board had numerous posts about IU's pathetic fan support and IU playing before all of those empty seats. In reality, those puke fans can''t wait to jump ship in even mediocre years.
It's universal, folks.
For the vast majority of schools, if your team is not winning, fans will not show up. Be it Purdue, IU or whoever.
Michigan played a game last year against Utah that was interrupted by an electrical storm and even fans there didn't come back....and this is at the winningest program of all time.
If people don't like the product on the field or the court, they won't show up.
It's like our basketball program...bragging about attendance but as the season wears on, people get a clue and start trying to give away tickets. Nobody wants to trudge through ice and zero temps to watch a program that leaves defense in the locker room and is a lower tier product.
Big deal.
For the vast majority of schools, if your team is not winning, fans will not show up. Be it Purdue, IU or whoever.
Michigan played a game last year against Utah that was interrupted by an electrical storm and even fans there didn't come back....and this is at the winningest program of all time.
If people don't like the product on the field or the court, they won't show up.
It's like our basketball program...bragging about attendance but as the season wears on, people get a clue and start trying to give away tickets. Nobody wants to trudge through ice and zero temps to watch a program that leaves defense in the locker room and is a lower tier product.
Big deal.
news flash,
in 1930, the average winning percentage in college football was exactly .500
in 1960, it was also exactly .500
and again in 1990, exactly .500
2014, you guessed it. .500
and unbelievably, it was also .500 every other yr. as well. (who knew?)
point being, those who constantly play "Mr Obvious", and pontificate how "winning" will bring the fans, do exactly zero to further the discussion regarding attendance.
we all know that all other things being equal, winning brings more fans than losing.
so can we please dispense with all the Mr Know It Alls always chiming in that winning will bring more fans, and just accept that as a given.
DUH!
if we're going to have a real discussion regarding attendance, it needs to focus on strategies other than "winning", as the sole solution.
like maybe maxing attendance to advance winning for a change.
1st off, we could all pretend there is no price - demand curve, but that would just not be true.
fact is, a significant percentage of south central Indiana families flat out simply cant afford to attend.
2nd, we could pretend that maxing attendance and maxing revenues automatically go hand in hand, but that is not necessarily true either.
we can talk kiss cams and knothole park and tall flag poles and big video screens, but reality is, those don't really move the meter much.
which takes us back to the price - demand thing.
absent demand exceeding availability going in, if the goal of the athletic dept is max gate-parking revenues short term, and set pricing to that end, then that comes at the expense of attendance.
and no, there is no arguing around that reality.
and then there's also "long term"
while i have no empirical data to support this, i'll propose that attendance does influence recruiting, which in turn influences "winning".
so as with most businesses, maxing revenues short term doesn't always correlate with maxing revenues long term, and often can have the opposite effect.
for the last decade or more, i've proposed that IU give free admission to football games to students.
in the grand scheme of things, we're talking about giving up chump change.
if IU can't work that into the overall school budget and costs, then they need new leadership.
or if they can't get a donor to fund it every yr, they need new leadership on that end.
that 40 mil Simon Skjodt gift could have probably funded free student admission to football games for the next 50 yrs.
and i'd give free general admission tics to HS and younger students as well.
if they want reserved seats with their parents, they can pay the current youth price.
you'll never convince me that wouldn't bring more adult gate and parking money with it.
then there's also the total and complete lack of compelling adult promos as well.
the only way to really max attendance absent "winning", is by having maxing attendance as the goal, rather than having maxing short term revenues as the goal.
and if we want to have better recruiting, thus more "winning", we need to start with drastically improving attendance.
and absent having a strategy of just wishing for a miracle, significantly increasing attendance, thus the game atmosphere, can only be accomplished by having that end as the main goal, which we do not currently have, nor have we ever in my lifetime.
and the sad thing is, even the short term difference in money between the road we have taken, and that of having maxing attendance as the primary goal, is chump change relative to the overall athletic and school budget.
and how much long term revenue has been sacrificed, both athletic and academic, chronically pursing short term ends with chump change nets at best, vs long term growth.
independent of "winning", we'll never know how much we could fill MS, because plain and simple, we don't try to fill it, as that has never been the goal.
in 1930, the average winning percentage in college football was exactly .500
in 1960, it was also exactly .500
and again in 1990, exactly .500
2014, you guessed it. .500
and unbelievably, it was also .500 every other yr. as well. (who knew?)
point being, those who constantly play "Mr Obvious", and pontificate how "winning" will bring the fans, do exactly zero to further the discussion regarding attendance.
we all know that all other things being equal, winning brings more fans than losing.
so can we please dispense with all the Mr Know It Alls always chiming in that winning will bring more fans, and just accept that as a given.
DUH!
if we're going to have a real discussion regarding attendance, it needs to focus on strategies other than "winning", as the sole solution.
like maybe maxing attendance to advance winning for a change.
1st off, we could all pretend there is no price - demand curve, but that would just not be true.
fact is, a significant percentage of south central Indiana families flat out simply cant afford to attend.
2nd, we could pretend that maxing attendance and maxing revenues automatically go hand in hand, but that is not necessarily true either.
we can talk kiss cams and knothole park and tall flag poles and big video screens, but reality is, those don't really move the meter much.
which takes us back to the price - demand thing.
absent demand exceeding availability going in, if the goal of the athletic dept is max gate-parking revenues short term, and set pricing to that end, then that comes at the expense of attendance.
and no, there is no arguing around that reality.
and then there's also "long term"
while i have no empirical data to support this, i'll propose that attendance does influence recruiting, which in turn influences "winning".
so as with most businesses, maxing revenues short term doesn't always correlate with maxing revenues long term, and often can have the opposite effect.
for the last decade or more, i've proposed that IU give free admission to football games to students.
in the grand scheme of things, we're talking about giving up chump change.
if IU can't work that into the overall school budget and costs, then they need new leadership.
or if they can't get a donor to fund it every yr, they need new leadership on that end.
that 40 mil Simon Skjodt gift could have probably funded free student admission to football games for the next 50 yrs.
and i'd give free general admission tics to HS and younger students as well.
if they want reserved seats with their parents, they can pay the current youth price.
you'll never convince me that wouldn't bring more adult gate and parking money with it.
then there's also the total and complete lack of compelling adult promos as well.
the only way to really max attendance absent "winning", is by having maxing attendance as the goal, rather than having maxing short term revenues as the goal.
and if we want to have better recruiting, thus more "winning", we need to start with drastically improving attendance.
and absent having a strategy of just wishing for a miracle, significantly increasing attendance, thus the game atmosphere, can only be accomplished by having that end as the main goal, which we do not currently have, nor have we ever in my lifetime.
and the sad thing is, even the short term difference in money between the road we have taken, and that of having maxing attendance as the primary goal, is chump change relative to the overall athletic and school budget.
and how much long term revenue has been sacrificed, both athletic and academic, chronically pursing short term ends with chump change nets at best, vs long term growth.
independent of "winning", we'll never know how much we could fill MS, because plain and simple, we don't try to fill it, as that has never been the goal.
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Firstly: you make some great points in here. IU has a poor track record at putting together any legitimate promotions. And, no, Fred's "red light special" doesn't qualify.
Secondly, more fans would show up if IU's win percentage came anywhere close to your average stat of .500.
Unfortunately, it's some pathetic .333 or something like that at IU and not close to the national average. All the free tickets in the world are not going to create another generation of masochists for our football program.
Thirdly, our student support for a campus our size is pathetic. 40,000+ students and you would think it's the size of an Ivy League school. You would have to pay our students to show up. Giving tickets away to that bunch won't work.
Students at Penn State have a coordinated "white out." Michigan State has something called the "Izz-zone".
Texas A&M has cheer practice.
IU? Our students arrive late in a freaking banana outfit.
You give our bunch too much credit. They won't fall for free tickets and giveaways. Free beer? Maybe.
Just to provide some insight from the same side of the fence, at least 90% of the photos you're posting are of beef cattle, not dairy.
I still laugh 100% of the time though. I like that each post gets an entirely new photo. That shows true dedication to the craft.Range can do it with unicorns as well...he's an artistJust to provide some insight from the same side of the fence, at least 90% of the photos you're posting are of beef cattle, not dairy.
I have been to the Pittsburgh - Penn State game in the early 1980s. And I have been to the USC - UCLA game (several times). And I have been to the IU - Purdue game (several times). The least of these rivalries by far is Indiana - Purdue. That is the reality. At this point it is a rivalry in name only - other than the banter that is thrown back on forth on this board. Nobody outside of the two schools care. And the theatrics on here only highlight the trivialness of the series. Sorry - but that is the truth. Hopefully, this will change. In the meantime the insults are not humorous. They only reinforce the past ineptitude of both programs.
I feel like the real interest in the IU vs.Purdue rivalry shifted from football to basketball starting in the 1980s for obvious reasons,and will stay that way for the forseeable future.
I guess I missed the part of this thread where someone insinuated that IU vs Purdue was up there with Bama vs Auburn. We don't like Purdue. They don't like us. Sorry - but that is the truth. Hopefully, this will not change. A nationally recognized rivalry is not necessary. Wabash vs Depauw survives just fine without a 9pm kickoff on ESPN.
