Pope Francis - RIP
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MTG is a national embarrassment.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene says 'evil being defeated' after Pope Francis death
Pope Francis was widely considered one of the most progressive popes in modern history.
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And an utter disgrace.MJT is a national embarrassment.
Marjorie Taylor Greene says 'evil being defeated' after Pope Francis death
Pope Francis was widely considered one of the most progressive popes in modern history.
Born in 1945, that's even older than me. College of Cardinals would be picking another pope within two months.
Still reflecting on those aids studies from high school 🤣🤣🤣. Baker. Act.
And yet the avid church goer that you are (which I know because we are mates), seems to ignore every precept of Christianity. With all that hate flowing through your veins, we need to find you an outlet--how about some weekly Bocce ball? Or if you are feeling more sophisticated, we can join a Petanque league that plays twice a week?
I am not a Roman Catholic but this sums up the opinions of those I have talked to about Francis
Body's barely cold yet. My man (the Archbishop), let's get through the burial.
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So we can only comment on IU basketball if we play on the team?
My bother in Christ, it's disc golf. Every damn time. Unless you're @BradStevens
I don’t know who you talk to, but little to nothing of what Chaput wrote is part of Pope Francis’ legacy.
Fun fact: Chaput was the first archbishop of Philadelphia in 100 years not to be named a cardinal. Ax to grind, and likely a bitter old man.
They say the answer to the old question “is the Pope Catholic”?….wasn’t always so clear with Francis
You can take it or leave it. I couldn’t care less.
I don’t have time to respond to all of Chaput’s nonsense but here are a few observations:
- Chaput: Francis “resented the legacy of his immediate predecessors.” There’s zero support for that claim. He never spoke negatively of JPII. Further, Francis and Benedict lived literally feet from each other for several years and were friends who spent much time together. There was a profound mutual respect.
- Chaput: Francis demonstrated a “pattern of ambiguity and loose words that sowed confusion and conflict.” Yes, he made some verbal blunders, as all public figures do. But there was no “pattern.”
- Chaput: Francis “seemed to downplay a compelling Christian ‘theology of the body.’” Maybe there’s a priest here who can interpret that. To a layman, it’s gibberish.
- Chaput: Francis was “impatient with canon law and proper procedure.” Nonsense. He was faithful to canon law.
- Chaput: Francis’s papacy lacked a confident, dynamic, evangelical zeal.” Horseshit. The man visited 68 countries, drew huge crowds wherever he went, and was affectionately called “the people’s pope.”
He was a forward looking pope who pushed at the bounds of Catholic law and rubbed against it often. He's also a leftist probably bordering on Socialist if not already long past that tollgate.
My only concern with Chaput was how quickly he came out to besmirch a dead pope. Axe to grind indeed.
24 hours later and ravens flock around the dead body— picking it apart as if it was a dead raccoon.
NOT Christian values.
“Forward looking”
People often talk about making the church more inclusive as if that’s a good thing. The church is not there to affirm your life choices or evolve to cater to the culture of the present day. There are any number of social clubs that can do that.
A La carte Christianity where you take what you like and ignore what you don’t is hurting the church not helping it grow. You’re supposed to be molded by the values and adherence to the strictures of the institution, not vice versa.
Which is why worldwide more orthodox parishes are growing while everyone else is losing attendance.
Please explain the following:
1. Why would a more inclusive church be a bad thing? I am always reminded of St. Paul's letter to Galatians when he states "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". Seems pretty obvious what he is saying--the equality and unity of believers in Christ regardless of background, gender, etc.
2. Please provide examples of a la carte Christianity.
3. Please define Christianity.
4. Would you agree that every Christian practices a la carte Christianity?
5. What strictures are you talking about? The strictures imposed by a church or the strictures opposed by the founders of Christianity? Whatever rules exist--call them dogma, were not surprisingly created well after the death of Jesus. Is it the purgatory that unbaptized children go to if the die? 5th century mumbo jumbo.
Exactly. They don't want to be Christians. They want to invest their own religion and then call themselves Christians.
The right believes he was too liberal. The left believes he wasn’t liberal enough. It’s a tough job, he’s making tough calls, and it’s impossible to be all things to all people.
P.S. I know you know this, but I’ll say it anyway. The gospels are left-leaning. If Jesus walked the earth today, what would MAGA do?
Hi Pot, this is kettle. I'm black
You ought to remember this one:
"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
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Well of course he would be deported. Brown skin man walking down the street in a linen robe preaching --yah, he's gone.
The church has changed immensely from its founding. I'm sure at those times there were parishioners on both sides of the argument. All institutions change.
Sir, Kettle-American is the preferred nomenclature.
It is the rare athlete who can excel at both. And a true Continental gentleman who knows the difference between the games.
Truer words were never said. Bocce ball is played with your shirt off, no shoes and daisy duke cut off jeans. Petanque is of course played by Frenchmen wearing sport coats, dress pants and likely a charming pair of hand stitched loafers.
Interesting discussion about religion, values, and democratic culture influencing each other here. The book’s author agrees with your take about religion’s need to insulate itself from the culture or risk obsolescence. But he goes another way with it.
THIS WEEK'S EPISODE
Why Christianity Needs to Help Save Democracy (with Jonathan Rauch)
How does a nice Jewish boy who is also a gay atheist have the chutzpah to lecture Christianity on its obligations to democracy?
His book is supposed to be very good.Interesting discussion about religion, values, and democratic culture influencing each other here. The book’s author agrees with your take about religion’s need to insulate itself from the culture or risk obsolescence. But he goes another way with it.
THIS WEEK'S EPISODE
Why Christianity Needs to Help Save Democracy (with Jonathan Rauch)
How does a nice Jewish boy who is also a gay atheist have the chutzpah to lecture Christianity on its obligations to democracy?
https://quillette.com/2025/03/06/podcast-274-christianity-and-th-american-polity/
Lol some of the posters who claim to be Christians in this thread desperately need this advice.
The worst amongst us pretend to be Christians. See bowl
Nothing worse than the Sunday fakees
The latest dead Pope was socialist in Argentina, and viewed the Vatican as a political institution of the global left.
He championed open border immigration policy and climate alarmism.
Held ambiguous stances on same-sex relationships and inter-faith relativism.
Used his platform to push The Catholic Church further into the realm of globalist politics and social activism.
Good riddance, but the odds of getting another globalist are quite high, as Benedict placed 80% of the electors in their positions.
