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Politico reporting Trump is ending DACA
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The term compassion has been removed from their manifesto ever since. Conservatives can't look 'tough' otherwise.
Nah. DACA is unconstitutional. Discretion is one thing. Making up things out of whole cloth is quite another. DACA is good policy but done in a completely improper way.
US statutes dictate that the executive (specifically the AG) shall remove terrorists but may remove other inadmissible aliens. The difference in language combined with the need to even have a "shall" designation in the first place suggests to me that Congress has purposefully granted the executive broad discretion in this matter.
Deferred action for certain classes of people is not a new thing. Presidents at least as far back as Reagan have done it. The uproar over Obama's use of the tool is purely political, not legal.
DACA goes far beyond an exercise of discretion.
And is it now open season on name calling for politicians? Can I now refer to Obama as Obummer? You need to start exercising some control around here.
I deleted the post. None of us saw it before, or it would have already been deleted. We can't see everything. That's why there's a report function. It's much more helpful than calling out other posters publicly.
If DACA goes far beyond an exercise of discretion, then so does every other instance of a president using deferred action. But only with Obama did it become suddenly an issue.
I really didn't call him out. I merely encouraged him to follow through. Finishing what one starts is almost always an admirable trait.
He should have grown some balls and said if he's for it or against it.
Isn't DACA unconstitutional only if a court says it is? Just like contact us only a foul if a ref calls it. It seems there are questions as to how the courts will decide.
Great quote from Colbert:
Repealing DACA in order to MAGA is a load of CACA
Repealing DACA in order to MAGA is a load of CACA
But he didn't say nothing, did he? He made comments that reflected a viewpoint at odds with supporters of DACA, a viewpoint the supporters find both erroneous and objectionable.
I didn't interpret this event as Trump being merely a neutral observer of legal maneuvering.
He was his usual wishy-washy self.
He sent out Sessions to say it was "un-Consitutional" and then after a day of getting hammered by everyone except the extreme bigots, he Tweeted out last night that if Congress didn't fix it in 6 months, he'd "revisit" the issue.
Well, if his AG says it's "un-Constitutional", how, exactly, will he "re-visit" it if Congress does nothing?
I'd say being wishy-washy is taking a position.
Proponents of DACA have clear basis to conclude that Trump is undermining their status.
Well, in a determinative sense.
But, then, all federal elected officials swear an oath to uphold (and faithfully execute, etc) the Constitution....which certainly implies that they have a duty to exercise their own best judgment in their own actions. I don't think it means "We'll just do whatever we want and rely on the courts to keep us tethered to the Constitution."
Seems clear to me that Trump would sign a DACA type bill, if given one. However, I see no path....at least not in the next 6 months....where Congress can come close to passing anything of the like.
Wouldn't be surprised for him to delay it again next year, until after the midterms.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but in this scenario I believe you're either committed to the interests of the Dreamers or you're not.
When you routinely take a hard line against immigration in a manner designed to instigate the base, when you expressly give credence to the notion that Dreamers are taking jobs away from "Americans", and when you and your own AG announce the executive branch is limited in its ability to counter Congressional action, etc., you're acting against the interests of Dreamers in a meaningful way. That's true no matter if he muddles his messages and says some things that could be interpreted as wishy-washy.
Its very sad what has happened to the country. The lack of humanity is shocking coming from a country of immigrants.
So basically the terrorist won after all post 9-11. It changed the way people live and the supposedly 'American way of life.'
Or was that period a blip in time considering America's Original sin (and some of the folks on the WC)?
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