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I don’t believe that entirely. The celebration in New York for passing an abortion law which effectively legalized abortion for almost any reason until the day before birth is evidence that one side actually does support abortion with almost no restrictions.
I think that's a gray, complicated and weird line to toe. I still maintain that most of the people who support the right to choose don't revel in the thought of the actual procedure. No one actually wants to have an abortion.
 
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I think that's a gray, complicated and weird line to toe. I still maintain that most of the people who support the right to choose don't revel in the thought of the actual procedure. No one actually wants to have an abortion.
If that's the case, it isn't evident in their messaging. Rather than commemorate the removal of nearly all restrictions on late-term abortions in some sort of solemn manner, they celebrated it with a light show (pink lights, IIRC) and virtual high fives. If either side would propose something that is in line with where Americans (not elected politicians) are on abortion, they would probably be big winners. That legislation would allow abortions with little to no restrictions up to something between 15 and 21 weeks (I'm not sure what the polls say, but Roe was 21 weeks, I believe) and increasing restrictions after that to include no abortions in the third trimester except when the life of the mother is in danger or the baby's health warrants it (death of the baby in the womb, of course, or health issues that make it highly unlikely the baby would survive after birth).
 
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If that's the case, it isn't evident in their messaging. Rather than commemorate the removal of nearly all restrictions on late-term abortions in some sort of solemn manner, they celebrated it with a light show (pink lights, IIRC) and virtual high fives. If either side would propose something that is in line with where Americans (not elected politicians) are on abortion, they would probably be big winners. That legislation would allow abortions with little to no restrictions up to something between 15 and 21 weeks (I'm not sure what the polls say, but Roe was 21 weeks, I believe) and increasing restrictions after that to include no abortions in the third trimester except when the life of the mother is in danger or the baby's health warrants it (death of the baby in the womb, of course, or health issues that make it highly unlikely the baby would survive after birth).
I agree with your point that either side agreeing to legislation in line with where most Americans land on this would be a winner, but I feel like there are people with significant pull on the conservative side who are looking at this as a zero sum game.
 
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If either side would propose something that is in line with where Americans (not elected politicians) are on abortion, they would probably be big winners. That legislation would allow abortions with little to no restrictions up to something between 15 and 21 weeks (I'm not sure what the polls say, but Roe was 21 weeks, I believe)
One side is proposing to uphold Roe as settled law, precisely in line with the wishes of the majority of Americans, including a line of demarcation at 21 weeks. Are a few people dead-set against any date at all? Sure. They are even very vocal. It's not the mainstream position of Democrats, though, which is (again) to merely preserve Roe v Wade.
 
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Lucy is a liberal pretending to be a caricature of a conservative Republican. Don’t support Lucy. It’s embarrassing.
I don't care where a good point comes from or who makes it. It can come any person identifying with any group. I have no concern whether that person is from the right or left. Marvin and Goat, who I generally disagree with, can and do, frequently make excellent points on numerous topics. To me the fun is discussing a topic and learning something...and sometimes from being humbled when you realize that your view is not as solid or righteous as you originally thought.
 
I don't care where a good point comes from or who makes it. It can come any person identifying with any group. I have no concern whether that person is from the right or left. Marvin and Goat, who I generally disagree with, can and do, frequently make excellent points on numerous topics. To me the fun is discussing a topic and learning something...and sometimes from being humbled when you realize that your view is not as solid or righteous as you originally thought.
You don't care if that person is making fun of you? That's what Lucy is doing all the time.
 
https://www.adoptuskids.org/meet-the-children/children-in-foster-care/about-the-children.
Article is the one I used when I said there are hundreds of thousands waiting to be adopted. Over 400,000 in foster care system. But currently over 100,000 waiting for adoption.
 
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I wanna be a cowboy and you can be my cowgirl? Cowgirls got formula. Musta visited Ukraine. Yippe yippe I yippe I yo yo

Just think about the Progressive Insurance commercials of how to NOT become your parents, 25 years from now.
Dads with Pink hair and breast feeding. I think I'll stick around long enough to see those! Pure gold Jerry, pure gold.
 
Why hasn’t addressed this baby formula issue? This falls under a supply chain issue!
 
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Why hasn’t addressed this baby formula issue? This falls under a supply chain issue!
Business when times are good: "Outta my way government! You only get in the way of my entrepreneurial genius."

Business when faced with adversity: "Get in here government! We can't do this on our own!"
 
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Why hasn’t addressed this baby formula issue? This falls under a supply chain issue!
I think it was more of a quality control issue, since some factories were shut down by contamination / poor sanitation
 
Why hasn’t addressed this baby formula issue? This falls under a supply chain issue!
Because it's not the American supply chain that's the issue.

There was bacteria found out of Abbott, and that caused a massive recall.

The baby formula business is a very small group, not quite a monopoly but just three major players with Abbott being huge. So when there isn't much diversity in the baby formula portfolio....a recall can really mess things up.

Lastly we have pretty strict regulations on baby formula, I don't believe foreign baby formula passes our regulations so it's not like we can import it.
 
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I suppose it predicable that a flaming liberal, such as yourself, would turn Lucy's comment into some sort of "racist attack". Like the scorpion, It just in your nature. From a logical stand point Lucy makes a great point. How could a couple who adopts a child be against abortion? Lucy is correct, it would very hard for a male same sex couple, who adopts children to have a family, to support abortion. Pointing out the obvious apparently offends you. No big surprise. But, again, in your dictionary, "What is a man? What is a woman?
You know you're replying to Goat, right?
 
I think he supports the right to choose a safe, legal abortion.

No one on either side of this debate actually supports abortion. No one wants an abortion anymore than anyone wants chemotherapy.
I guess you missed all the "Thank God for abortion" rallies.
 
Because it's not the American supply chain that's the issue.

There was bacteria found out of Abbott, and that caused a massive recall.

The baby formula business is a very small group, not quite a monopoly but just three major players with Abbott being huge. So when there isn't much diversity in the baby formula portfolio....a recall can really mess things up.

Lastly we have pretty strict regulations on baby formula, I don't believe foreign baby formula passes our regulations so it's not like we can import it.
It's supply chains too. The Atlantic has a good article on it.
 
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It's supply chains too. The Atlantic has a good article on it.
Baby formula supply chain is pretty messed up as an industry as hoarding has been crazy over the past couple of years....and the recall with the threat of scarcity has brought out hoarding behavior again.

Short story, managing baby formula inventory has been a nightmare.

The shortage isn't because we can't get trucks in and out of Texas or because roads and bridges have collapsed.
 
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Baby formula supply chain is pretty messed up as an industry as hoarding has been crazy over the past couple of years....and the recall with the threat of scarcity has brought out hoarding behavior again.

Short story, managing baby formula inventory has been a nightmare.

The shortage isn't because we can't get trucks in and out of Texas or because roads and bridges have collapsed.
Tommy this baby formula shortage, inflation, and energy prices. Are on you you voted for the Biden Idiot.
 
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Even those are probably poorly worded. I’d still bet no one at those rallies actually aspires to get an abortion. No one is looking to join that club, but they’re supportive of having that choice/safeguard.
Sure, don't we usually say something like 'Thank God for sliced bread" when we really don't like sliced bread? :rolleyes:
 
Tommy this baby formula shortage, inflation, and energy prices. Are on you you voted for the Biden Idiot.

please show your work on what Biden did that directly led to each of those.

Thanks ;)
 
please show your work on what Biden did that directly led to each of those.

Thanks ;)
1) Baby formula - the FDA has drug its feet on getting approval to restart production
2) Energy Prices - canceled the XL pipeline and government energy leases on his first day in office. Prices went up immediately afterwards.
3) Excess spending on an economy that was already roaring. And see #2

You're welcome.
 
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1) Baby formula - the FDA has drug its feet on getting approval to restart production
2) Energy Prices - canceled the XL pipeline and government energy leases on his first day in office. Prices went up immediate afterwards.
3) Excess spending on an economy that was already roaring. And see #2

You're welcome.
1. Ehhh, the shortage is due to inventory spikes from hoarding stacked with the recall (which has led to more hoarding) and because it's a narrow portfolio of suppliers. That's all still happening under Trump and isn't 'because' of policy. If you want to claim that the FDA is moving too slow in easing regulations, I'll give you some credit but that's a pretty scary concept.

2. We are still 'energy independent' so yeah, this has little to no causation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...-is-still-energy-independent/?sh=409fa9dd30b6

The main impact of Trump's gas prices was lockdowns along with Russia and the Saudis oil war where they flooded the market. Trump and the US had very little control over that (which is why we're trying to get the middle east like Iran to flood the market along with tapping into the us reserves. My understanding is we have more than enough crude oil, but we use refined oil and petroleum, which means pipelines and drilling isn't the issue, it's getting refined petroleum).

3. Inflation is in line with the world. It's actually much worse in conservative authoritarian areas like Turkey (70%), Hungary (10%) and Russia (18%). If we were an outlier to the rest of the world than you might be on to something, but we're not.

Post pandemic inflation happens under Trump if he's re elected.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=world
 
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1. Ehhh, the shortage is due to inventory spikes from hoarding stacked with the recall (which has led to more hoarding) and because it's a narrow portfolio of suppliers. That's all still happening under Trump and isn't 'because' of policy. If you want to claim that the FDA is moving too slow in easing regulations, I'll give you some credit but that's a pretty scary concept.

2. We are still 'energy independent' so yeah, this has little to no causation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...-is-still-energy-independent/?sh=409fa9dd30b6

The main impact of Trump's gas prices was lockdowns along with Russia and the Saudis oil war where they flooded the market. Trump and the US had very little control over that (which is why we're trying to get the middle east like Iran to flood the market along with tapping into the us reserves. My understanding is we have more than enough crude oil, but we use refined oil and petroleum, which means pipelines and drilling isn't the issue, it's getting refined petroleum).

3. Inflation is in line with the world. It's actually much worse in conservative authoritarian areas like Turkey (70%), Hungary (10%) and Russia (18%). If we were an outlier to the rest of the world than you might be on to something, but we're not.

Post pandemic inflation happens under Trump if he's re elected.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=world
Nonsense. This has been covered repeatedly. The rescue plan and free cheese contributed about 3 percentage points to inflation. It's not even disputed at this point.

The excuses for this admin are getting old. Do they plan for anything? Oh but we will have a first black lesbian press sect. That's all we get from this admin.
 
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Nonsense. This has been covered repeatedly. The rescue plan and free cheese contributed about 3 percentage points to inflation. It's not even disputed at this point.
If we were an outlier with the rest of the world than yeah, it was more likely self inflicted.

I got more 'stimulis' $ under Trump. He made sure to let me know as his signature was prominently on the checks along with a note for me to credit him.

Bottom line your argument holds more water if it was more absolute like... stimulus checks good or stimulus checks bad.

Being angry only at the last stimulus package and blaming it as the reason loses it logical base IMO.

We need to decide if we want to consider the pandemic impacts or not. I hear a lot of 'the economy was strong before the pandemic' as some sort of disclaimer but then the next breath start screaming about Biden's economy.

I'm cool with however people want to look at it, just be consistent with acknowledging the pandemic or not.

Inflation is a pandemic hangover, as seen all over the world that would have happened under Trump had he been elected. The severity can be argued perhaps but, we don't have multiverse abilities unfortunately.
 
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3. Inflation is in line with the world.
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Try again
 
If we were an outlier with the rest of the world than yeah, it was more likely self inflicted.

I got more 'stimulis' $ under Trump. He made sure to let me know as his signature was prominently on the checks along with a note for me to credit him.

Bottom line your argument holds more water if it was more absolute like... stimulus checks good or stimulus checks bad.

Being angry only at the last stimulus package and blaming it as the reason loses it logical base IMO.

We need to decide if we want to consider the pandemic impacts or not. I hear a lot of 'the economy was strong before the pandemic' as some sort of disclaimer but then the next breath start screaming about Biden's economy.

I'm cool with however people want to look at it, just be consistent with acknowledging the pandemic or not.

Inflation is a pandemic hangover, as seen all over the world that would have happened under Trump had he been elected. The severity can be argued perhaps but, we don't have multiverse abilities unfortunately.
Not true. There are two billion articles indicating stimulus here contributed to inflation. Jdb has posted them in the inflation thread. As for trump that's the point. The last stimulus when combined with the prior and stays. The last wasn't needed. It pushed us over the edge. Not taken alone. Giveaways. That's this admin's entire platform.
 
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Not true. There are two billion articles indicating stimulus here contributed to inflation. Jdb has posted them in the inflation thread. As for trump that's the point. The last stimulus when combined with the prior and stays. The last wasn't needed. It pushed us over the edge. Not taken alone. Giveaways. That's this admin's entire platform.
The democrats answer to every problem is $$$$$$$$

Biden announced that his crime plan is to send even more money to local government for police. I have a better idea. Let’s start a campaign to once again encourage respect for police and for the law, stop no cash bail, and generally act like responsible law enforcers which is a basic function of the executive branch of government. But to have credibility, Biden would have to enforce laws we now have, which he deliberately refuses to fo in several areas.
 
1. Ehhh, the shortage is due to inventory spikes from hoarding stacked with the recall (which has led to more hoarding) and because it's a narrow portfolio of suppliers. That's all still happening under Trump and isn't 'because' of policy. If you want to claim that the FDA is moving too slow in easing regulations, I'll give you some credit but that's a pretty scary concept.

2. We are still 'energy independent' so yeah, this has little to no causation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...-is-still-energy-independent/?sh=409fa9dd30b6

The main impact of Trump's gas prices was lockdowns along with Russia and the Saudis oil war where they flooded the market. Trump and the US had very little control over that (which is why we're trying to get the middle east like Iran to flood the market along with tapping into the us reserves. My understanding is we have more than enough crude oil, but we use refined oil and petroleum, which means pipelines and drilling isn't the issue, it's getting refined petroleum).

3. Inflation is in line with the world. It's actually much worse in conservative authoritarian areas like Turkey (70%), Hungary (10%) and Russia (18%). If we were an outlier to the rest of the world than you might be on to something, but we're not.

Post pandemic inflation happens under Trump if he's re elected.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=world
Tommy...... we are not energy independent, no matter what bullshit you're reading.

Inflation was under 2% under Trump and started going up after Biden canceled the pipeline and energy leases. Surely you can add 2+2
 
The democrats answer to every problem is $$$$$$$$

Biden announced that his crime plan is to send even more money to local government for police. I have a better idea. Let’s start a campaign to once again encourage respect for police and for the law, stop no cash bail, and generally act like responsible law enforcers which is a basic function of the executive branch of government. But to have credibility, Biden would have to enforce laws we now have, which he deliberately refuses to fo in several areas.
How woke of you to say the answer to crime is McGruff the crime dog telling everyone to stop being criminals. Goddam, you should run for Congress.
 
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