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She made plans to go. Whether right or wrong she couldn’t cancel after China threatened the US.It's an unnecessary provocation, unless, unless, it's being done in coordination with the Administration to send a message that Xi better not think he can get away with pulling a Putin.
No argument from me on that point. I just hope it was done in consultation with the Administration. I'd actually be shocked if it wasn't.She made plans to go. Whether right or wrong she couldn’t cancel after China threatened the US.
It’s all about the perception that the Biden administration is not owned by China! Her trip is strictly theater.No argument from me on that point. I just hope it was done in consultation with the Administration. I'd actually be shocked if it wasn't.
Public diplomacy is all theater. But you can't ignore the message they're sending, that Taiwan won't be treated like Crimea.It’s all about the perception that the Biden administration is not owned by China! Her trip is strictly theater.
This was all planned with the Biden phone call. Just like the Pauly P trial tomorrow.Public diplomacy is all theater. But you can't ignore the message they're sending, that Taiwan won't be treated like Crimea.
Perhaps so.Tip of the cap to her.
The original reason for going doesn’t matter after China threatened. We really want China telling the House Speaker where she can go?Perhaps so.
I'd like to know what substantive purpose her visit has though. If she's there just because the Chinese said "don't", then I think that's foolish. Going just because they said "don't" is more like a petulant child doing what dad says not to.
I think this is the correct answer. Her original plan to stop was incredibly irresponsible if it wasn't done in coordination with the administration. That said, after it leaked and China responded, she had no choice but to follow through.No argument from me on that point. I just hope it was done in consultation with the Administration. I'd actually be shocked if it wasn't.
I see it something best expressed thusly...Perhaps so.
I'd like to know what substantive purpose her visit has though. If she's there just because the Chinese said "don't", then I think that's foolish. Going just because they said "don't" is more like a petulant child doing what dad says not to.
I am in the camp you are I think. I don't know what the original thought behind the trip was and how good of an idea it was to go in the first place, BUT after China's reaction she had to go. F China.I think this is the correct answer. Her original plan to stop was incredibly irresponsible if it wasn't done in coordination with the administration. That said, after it leaked and China responded, she had no choice but to follow through.
Tip of the cap to her.
Sooo . . . you do realize that China could dictate whether she goes to Taiwan either way, don't you? (If China says "don't go" and she feels compelled to go to satisfy the public opinion of US 'middle school' - level jingoistic politics, then China could easily manipulate that to happen. And yes, they're clever enough to do that. Heck, MTIOTF is, and he's not even experienced in international diplomacy.)The original reason for going doesn’t matter after China threatened. We really want China telling the House Speaker where she can go?
Heck Sope let’s just cede world dominance to China. Bend over every time they jumpSooo . . . you do realize that China could dictate whether she goes to Taiwan either way, don't you? (If China says "don't go" and she feels compelled to go to satisfy the public opinion of US 'middle school' - level gingoistic politics, then China could easily manipulate that to happen. And yes, they're clever enough to do that. Heck, MTIOTF is, and he's not even experienced in international diplomacy.)
And if China kills one of the Marines escorting her in their "retaliation" for Pelosi's provocation, is that going to be worth it? (Are you going to call the marine's parents?)
That's why I'd like to know the purpose of her visit . . . I'd like to know what the US is getting out of her going to Taiwan to gauge for myself whether the juice is worth the squeeze . . . and the potential for one or more Marines to be killed. Is the purpose of her trip worth the potential for war? I'm not saying it is. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying we don't know. And that's bad.
Otter looks fatter than me.I see it something best expressed thusly...
So while I agree she probably didn't discuss semi conductors (and I wouldn't want her to probably), her mere presence is a sign (#3 to the throne) that the USA isn't ready to let Taiwan go to the wolves.It could just be a coordinated play with China to diffuse any thought China might have eyes on Taiwan. A Realpolitik draw 4
Nice try.Heck Sope let’s just cede world dominance to China. Bend over every time they jump
Up and down and threaten us.
Love the term is the juice worth the squeeze.Nice try.
You might oughta respond to what I actually wrote next time, instead of wrapping yourself in a flag . . . it's unbecoming of you.
If Tiawan were to shut down tomorrow, the US (and most of the world) would instantaneously come to a screeching halt. F China. Tiawan IS a strategic partner who we shall not be shielded from. F China. America FIRST, America MOST! All others come along and share the ride.Love the term is the juice worth the squeeze.
Why does it matter why Pelosi went to Taiwan? Why shouldn’t US officials be able to go anytime Taiwan is okay with it?
Thank you.Love the term is the juice worth the squeeze.
Why does it matter why Pelosi went to Taiwan? Why shouldn’t US officials be able to go anytime Taiwan is okay with it?
Maybe you're spending too much time over on the football boards.Tiawan
I don’t disagree. But after visit scheduled you can’t let China rattle sabers and not go.Thank you.
Is the official visit to Taiwan for the purpose of furthering US interests? Then I think the calculus whether the visit's benefits outweigh the harm that the visit could do must be calculated.
I don't know about "drunk bumbling", but I'd trade you a Pelosi Speaker defeat for a McConnell GOP majority/minority leadership defeat straight up, and I think we'd all be better off for it.I don’t disagree. But after visit scheduled you can’t let China rattle sabers and not go.
We all know Pelosi is a drunk bumbling congresswoman so she probably made an incompetent decision to schedule trip.
I hear you.If Tiawan were to shut down tomorrow, the US (and most of the world) would instantaneously come to a screeching halt. F China. Tiawan IS a strategic partner who we shall not be shielded from. F China. America FIRST, America MOST! All others come along and share the ride.
I agree there is a one China, and when the CCP can be relegated to the dustbin of history, then there could be a reunification of Taiwan with the mainland. Until such point, there should be no unification unless Taiwan elects to do so without coercion.I hear you.
What's the deal with the US' "one China" policy anyway? Seems to me that you're opposed to that policy. Is that correct?
BTW, Bob Menendez and Lindsey Graham are trying to get bipartisan legislation passed to eliminate the one China policy.
Menendez, Graham propose overhaul of US policy toward Taiwan
Senate lawmakers on Friday introduced bipartisan legislation to overhaul U.S. policy toward Taiwan, defining key American commitments to the democratic island’s defense against a Chinese military i…thehill.com
Do you agree with this policy change?
Here's some background on the one China policy: https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter
I could go for that if Biden wasn’t president. Republicans might need McConnell’s brinkmanship the last two years of Biden.I don't know about "drunk bumbling", but I'd trade you a Pelosi Speaker defeat for a McConnell GOP majority/minority leadership defeat straight up, and I think we'd all be better off for it.
What do you propose we do?I agree there is a one China, and when the CCP can be relegated to the dustbin of history, then there could be a reunification of Taiwan with the mainland. Until such point, there should be no unification unless Taiwan elects to do so without coercion.
The U.S. made a huge mistake on China which goes back to the late 90's. Some people got really rich off of that mistake and now we and our children and our children's children are going to pay for that mistake. Hundreds of years from now this period will be studied for the abject stupidity of our foreign policy in building an anemic strategic adversary/enemy into a peer competitor and all in one generation.
We are moving into another cold war period. We should be extricate ourselves from the stranglehold that China has on us and our allies from an economic standpoint. And we must also start deciding where our lines are. Japan, South Korea, the Phillipines, Australia, New Zealand, and Taiwan are countries I think we should be willing to shoot over. We are losing our influence in the area. New Zealand is becoming much more China accepting (which is why sglowrider thinks they are better than Australia) and the Chinese are economically island hopping to push their military presence deeper into the Pacific.
We need to wake the hell up.
Pelosi for McConnell. Straight up.I could go for that if Biden wasn’t president. Republicans might need McConnell’s brinkmanship the last two years of Biden.
About which item?What do you propose we do?
About which item?
Big one off the top of my head, start declaring certain business deals with China as a national security risk and disallow them. Restrict access of Chinese nationals to the U.S. university system. Encourage economic engagement with other Asian states to tie them ti us instead of China. Militarized the Pacific in the same manner we did Europe to contain the USSR. Aggressively move to remove them from places like Venezuela by destabilizing and supporting the overthrow of that government. Go back to the Abraham Accords to align Israel and the Gulf States + Egypt against Iran so that we do not need as much attention there.
We may have to accept some smaller stock returns in exchange for our soldiers lives.
We all know Pelosi is a drunk bumbling congresswoman so she probably made an incompetent decision to schedule trip.
If she doesn’t drink, she sure appears drunk at times. Maybe she’s just another too old over the hill senile politician.Fact
She doesn't drink. There's no good reason to think she's a drunk. And many of those drunk appearances were manipulated.If she doesn’t drink, she sure appears drunk at times. Maybe she’s just another too old over the hill senile politician.
It appears you are right if reporting is accurate.She doesn't drink. There's no good reason to think she's a drunk. And many of those drunk appearances were manipulated.
What age would you consider "too old" to be in the Senate?It appears you are right if reporting is accurate.
She’s certainly looked bad in a few news conferences and interviews.
She’s another example of need for age limits and term limits.
His answer to all those questions is, "Dems".What age would you consider "too old" to be in the Senate?
To run for President?
To be in Congress?
Would you presume to take that decision away from voters?
To be in the president's cabinet?
Would you presume to take that decision away from an elected president?
What term limits would you put on running for the Senate? Running for Congress?
Would you presume to take that decision away from voters?