That's a fair point. Regardless of the reason, it demonstrates a lack or drop of interest and engagement.
Pains me to say this
- Thread starter HoosierinNebraska
- Start date
I don't think it has anything to do with the "modern game". The most entertaining bball right now, is in the NBA. If you like precise and quick passing and great shooting along with athleticism, and suprisingly good D, the NBA is great ball. The folks who bitch about the "NBA game" probably haven't watched one in 20 years. It's like the difference in clock management between college football and the NFL; the pros are just way better at it.
Last edited:
It's not so much Woody for me as it is the NIL and knowing these guys are getting paid - and next year by the schools directly.
Different generation and values. I'm glad I grew up and lived in the era I did, when Indiana/Midwest players played for their school. I'm not naive - I know they had perks. But I guarantee Scott May would not be driving around town in his '67 Impala today like he did in 1976.
IU is quickly becoming like the Pacers to me. I want them to do well, but if they don't, it doesn't bother me much at all.
And that's a HUGE change. My family thinks I suffer from depression. lol
The problem for IU is Woodson refuses to play the “modern” game. Kids like Mullin who will be Mr Basketball don’t want to come to IU and throw the ball down low to a big man and stand around hoping he might pass it back out for a 3 point shot.
Woodson’s offense is ugly and seems to lead to long scoring droughts.
Think I heard Braylon had 43 the other night? Appreciate IN HS updates if anyone keeps track of the local HS scene.
I have surprised myself because I feel the same way as you ... BUT the RMK era and even after him I still taped every game and would watch a game 3-4 times and maybe later years later. In 2019 I was downsizing to move from Indiana to Arizona and gave away for free, 507 VCR tapes where each tape had 3-4 IU games depending on if I was there to tape it and pause through the commercials or included. Now I know in 2019 everything had moved to DVDs and I even had a machine to transfer those VCR tapes to DVD ... the point is over 35 years of taped IU basketball games given away for free.
Now I can find most any game to watch with a search on YouTube but I rarely do that. I use to be really pissed off with any basketball game where IU lost. Like many fans/alums, my schedule was always around IU basketball where the world stopped if they were playing a game.
Not anymore ... "I want them to do well, but if they don't, it doesn't bother me much at all."
The NBA and NFL are equally dull to watch.
and ... if that ball goes to Reneau or Mgbako .... you are not seeing it again under any circumstances. Oh Malik does pass on the high low to Ballo but not if it is passed directly to him for him to make his move. He is very good with his semi left hook type of shot but too many times neither will pass to the open man.
Don't forget about Louisville with all new players and coach that kicked our ass.....
Because they're hired guns. I explained that, Otis.
The NBA regular season is awful. It's like break dance fighting. I came back to watching it two years ago mostly because of Jokic. I liked the high post stuff they ran through him. Obviously a lot of individuals capable of making jaw dropping displays of shot making, but it's not basketball until the playoffs.
So just exactly which "open man" on the outside do you want him to pass to? Mbako is the only player on that team who has proven with a large enough sample size that he can shoot 3-pointers consistently. And he's part of our front line.
Ballo played a good game v. Minnesota, and if Ballo gets the ball underneath, I want him to go up and dunk it, not pass outside.
To get what you want, you should be griping that there is not enough emphasis on developing (or recruiting) better shooters.
that's a bit simplistic. Even with all the criticism of CMW I have faith in he and Ballo, that if Ballo has an uncontested dunk, that's what he's doing. But a post touch is an excellent way to free up shooters if perimeter defenders are cheating in or digging. A post who sees the whole floor and knows where/how to pass the ball is super valuable. I think our shooters would be fine this year, if they are focusing on taking high quality shots and moving the ball if not. Our offense just doesn't emphasize the 3 enough to get up a decent # of 3s.
I don't watch either regularly either, but it's not because of the quality of the game and performances, which are amazing. I just don't feel tied to or invested in any pro team like I do IU. I can sit down and watch about any NBA game and be wowed by the athleticism and play. Sadly, that tie feels like it's waning, but I sure hope I can get to the point of believing in the program enough to get back to there. I know it can happen, because it's happened with football!
Trey is over 50, Rice and Mack are over 40, and Goode is at 36 but trending up. That's 4 more than capable shooters .
So, pass the damn ball back out.
awful, why? The level of play is light years better than what it was even 12 years ago and better than college. Like I said, it's hard for me to get into because I don't follow any particular team but the skill level is amazing right now. The biggest criticism I have is just how many games top players miss now. Hate the term load management, but they all do it, and that sucks.
Jokic was great to watch the last couple of seasons. I haven’t seen any of their games this season
My grandson had 44 last Friday. Keaton Lawson 6-5 junior at Columbus East. He is a player of the week candidate with Mullins.
I sure wouldn’t want to argue looking at that goose gun in your photo. That is a sweet total for your grandson so congratulations.
Congrats to your grandson. You have to work really hard to score 44 points in a high school game.
The problem when the ball goes inside, too much of the time Ballo and MR back down dribbling dribbling dribbling until the opposition are all in the lane swatting at the ball while teammates are standing around watching.
You’re not alone. Last season, I made it near the halfway point. This season, I made it to the mini tourney and threw up my hands. I watch the game after they have played so I can simply fast forward when desired. I just don’t really care, and that rests mostly due to Woodson. I don’t like him one bit as our coach. I feel bad for the players he has let down.
Agree that Ballo would be even better if he got his shot off quicker, but his FG pct. is .700. Hard to tell him not to shoot.
As for Reneau, I love watching him get the ball in the right corner and then work his way into the lane for his left-handed half-hook or a layup. Reneau's FG pct. is .600, so why shouldn't he shoot from down low?
As for turnovers, Reneau and Ballo don't seem to have a disproportionate number of turnovers as compared to Rice and Galloway (who have similar minutes). So they don't seem to be losing the ball too much by dribbling when it's passed to them. If they are, then what's the guards' excuse?
I got flak last week for saying that Mgbako is the only one with enough consistency to be shooting 3-pointers. I admit Rice and Galloway are shooting 3-pointers better right now, but they still are not quite there. (But, a few more pct. points, and I'll probably change my mind.)
Here you go:
Edit to add:
We are currently second in the Big Ten in FG pct.
Last edited:
Malik is fine with a 13% TO ratio, could be better. Ballo has a 20% TO ratio. Meaning of the possessions he ends, 1 of 5 end in a TO. That's incredibly high for a post player.
Trey is over 30% that's over double what's acceptable for a lead guard. Rice at 20% and Carlyle at 18 are also way too high. Need to be 15% or far lower.
As far as Rice. If a player is shooting over 40% on threes at over 2 attempts per game they are certainly, there, and should be shooting more. *eyeroll* Gallo is probably an outlier currently due to attempts not being high enough.
1990's per game stats are useless in the era of possession based basketball ..
Last edited:
What everyone calls a modern offense is basically hitting 3s. It doesn't matter what the teams run to do it. If a team hits 10 threes in transition or quick hits and never even run a half court set people here still call it a modern offense.
Offense is fairly homogenized with everyone running the same shit. IU runs modern actions to get the ball inside. It doesn't run many actions with emphasis on getting 3s up. Baseline pin downs and double drags, and sometimes high post staggered screens to free Mack up, is about it.
The offense is modern, the emphasis of where it wants to get the shot, is not.
Can’t dispute what you’re saying but when we play good teams with good coaches they take away the bigs. We we’re even competitive against Gonzaga.
TMP
I am not an X&O guy. But I am not in the category of considering a modern offense as one that hits 3’s.
I am in the category that does not see IU running an efficient, hard to prepare for and hard to guard offensive schemes.
I like our inside game but it does not seem to smoothly incorporate a multifaceted attack.
Never-the-less we are in this road game and I hope we pull it out.
Similar threads
