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Oscaio-Cortez Attempts to Talk Real Policy....Faceplants

To be fair to me it was in answering his rhetorical question about why we should criticize someone that hasn’t started yet. It wasn’t out of nowhere. It’s unfair to criticize our clown president for being a clown but not criticize a clown Rep for being a clown (or at least having a clown’s understanding of policy and economics).
If you phrase it that way, sure, but - not to speak for Rock here - I don't think Rock is criticizing Trump for being a clown; I think he is criticizing for being a clown while also being the ostensible leader of the free world (and, of course, by extension, criticizing all the clowns who voted for him).
 
If you phrase it that way, sure, but - not to speak for Rock here - I don't think Rock is criticizing Trump for being a clown; I think he is criticizing for being a clown while also being the ostensible leader of the free world (and, of course, by extension, criticizing all the clowns who voted for him).
I quite understand he is criticizing in that sense. As I do always. I also extend that to all other woefully unqualified elected officials. That’s all I’m saying.
 
I’m not claiming such. I’m responding to your rhetorical question.

She draws a lot of attention due to her popularity and messiah status with many on the Left. That may not have been her attention but she’s got it now and it’s in her best interests to learn basic economics. Like how unemployment is measured.

Steve King can go to hell.
I've always assumed wherever Steve King is, is hell.
 
I quite understand he is criticizing in that sense. As I do always. I also extend that to all other woefully unqualified elected officials. That’s all I’m saying.
I get that, but I am just saying you accused Rock of unfairness and partisanship, and I think that was what was too far. If you want to extend it to AOC, fine, but there's no reason to demand Rock does, since AOC doesn't fit the ecological niche Trump does, which is what Rock continuously criticizes.
 
I heard quite a bit about ACO after she shocked people by beating a guy who was thought to be in line to replace Pelosi. Since then, not so much. But then again, I don’t watch TV news.


Neither do I.....but for whatever reason she's constantly on front page of The Hill, Politico, etc....
 
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I struggle to understand why the occasional foibles of this particular House member are of such great interest to Republicans.

Really? She's frankly a moron. They want her front and center because, for some reason, Democrats (or their allies in the media) were putting her forward as the future and if you are the GOP you want to highlight just how much of an intellectual lightweight she is because of that.

Politics is always about tying your opponent to a Pelosi, Ryan, Trump, etc. If you can write off your opponent's P.OV. as being moronic, you do it.
 
Really? She's frankly a moron. They want her front and center because, for some reason, Democrats (or their allies in the media) were putting her forward as the future and if you are the GOP you want to highlight just how much of an intellectual lightweight she is because of that.

Politics is always about tying your opponent to a Pelosi, Ryan, Trump, etc. If you can write off your opponent's P.OV. as being moronic, you do it.
Right, because the GOP is all about intellectual heavyweights. Sure.
 
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You are being overly defensive. She is an idiot, being such, her opposition is going to try and make her a spokesperson. Do you want her to be a face of the Democrats?
What? I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about. She's some soon-to-be Congresswoman from bumf*ck New York. Who cares? You care, apparently. You care very much. I can't possibly imagine why, especially since I've never seen you make one post about how much you care that your party is married to Steve f*cking King, but whatever. All I know in this conversation is that your implication that the Democrats are fielding intellectual lightweights is hilarious beyond all humanly appreciation, considering the idiots the GOP is sending to Washington.
 
To be fair to me it was in answering his rhetorical question about why we should criticize someone that hasn’t started yet. It wasn’t out of nowhere. It’s unfair to criticize our clown president for being a clown but not criticize a clown Rep for being a clown (or at least having a clown’s understanding of policy and economics).

There's also a total clown down at the neighborhood bar near me. Not fair to criticize Trump and AOC and not criticize him.

IMHO, it's fine to criticize her idiotic statements. It would just be cool if they were kept within the context of how important she is in the grand scheme of things. If someone tries to make her their VP nominee in the next Presidential election, it's worth the fulminating here.
 
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What? I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about. She's some soon-to-be Congresswoman from bumf*ck New York. Who cares? You care, apparently. You care very much. I can't possibly imagine why, especially since I've never seen you make one post about how much you care that your party is married to Steve f*cking King, but whatever. All I know in this conversation is that your implication that the Democrats are fielding intellectual lightweights is hilarious beyond all humanly appreciation, considering the idiots the GOP is sending to Washington.
Bumf*ck New York? You spelled Queens incorrectly.
 
AOC is good at social media (and attractive) but if you pay close attention to any Congressperson backbencher in a safe seat they usually screw up about as often as she has in terms of telling a half-truth/etc.

Fox News is obsessing over her more then anything.
 
I'd like to better understand what the standard is here, so I can tell (or at least I could tell if I cared to) how ACO compares to her colleagues in general knowledge and intelligence. For a sense of where I think that bar is located, here is Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) on the floor of the Senate in February 2015:



At the time, Inhofe was not a 29-year-old recent former bartender who hadn't yet taken office. Instead, he was Chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee -- a guy whose say so said so. And he thought he was owning the libs on global warming because it was still possible to make a snowball in winter.

We can all agree that other people should elect more capable representatives, but I'm raising an eyebrow at this ACO thing.
I guess I can’t stay away from this because I like to debate too much.

But, my online friend, I am perplexed by your defense of her while you continue to attack Republicans who are also obvious morons. Isn’t a moron a moron and can we not see that all I am trying to say is that we deserve better leadership than a bunch of morons regardless of what letter is in parentheses next to their name and state?

My criticism of her has nothing to do with defending Republicans. It has more to do with America falling yet again for a know-nothing with appeal to somebody.
 
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It would just be cool if they were kept within the context of how important she is in the grand scheme of things.
Well ok, but I have no idea what that really means and how to execute it. At what point do we realize that a federal house representative is a damn important job and that we shouldn’t elect people not intellectually equipped for the gig regardless of party?
 


Meanwhile, the new Dems who are actually part of the leadership team are folks like Joe Neguse & Katie Hill, both under 35



Well ok, but I have no idea what that really means and how to execute it. At what point do we realize that a federal house representative is a damn important job and that we shouldn’t elect people not intellectually equipped for the gig regardless of party?

Well, as long as we agree not to do that for Senator, Governor, or President too.
 
[QUOTE="Right leaning publishers have written over 10x the articles about @Ocasio2018 than their counterparts on the left since June 2018.
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LOL!. The left leaning publishers have done what the left often does--they put her on "Ignore".
 
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I'd ask why they are such great interest to the media....since everything she says seems to make the news feed.
Interesting, and not necessarily disagreeing, but she's not ever-present in my news feed and I think my news feed is current, multi-faceted, and relatively thorough on news that matters.
 
I would imagine it has something to do with the press/publicity she received after her win. The fawning headlines are too numerous to quote here (though I'm sure google will produce them) but she was seemingly overnight deemed the progressive future face of the party. At least in some corners.

So when she's exposed as a borderline millennial airhead posting memes on Facebook it's gonna make people chuckle.
True dat, especially your last line.

But it's important to think about which corners have so deemed her. I think it's probably reactive Republicans and a lazy media and not much more than that.

While you can certainly make the argument that Tom Perez did just that, and regardless of whether he's right or wrong, I thought he was pointing out what she represents (a new generation, increased progressiveness among youth, etc.) and not so much that AOC is likely and specifically the future leader of the Democrats. On top of that, and this isn't a value judgment, of course he's going to spin a new face in the party as a positive thing. That doesn't mean he's endorsing her wildly uninformed opinions as the party's platform.
 
To be fair to me it was in answering his rhetorical question about why we should criticize someone that hasn’t started yet. It wasn’t out of nowhere. It’s unfair to criticize our clown president for being a clown but not criticize a clown Rep for being a clown (or at least having a clown’s understanding of policy and economics).
Like I said in July, I think a material percentage of our elected Congresspeople are clowns or morons or shameless exploiters. That's the point I made then (i.e., on a relative scale, AOC doesn't really stand out) and I think still largely holds true.

As for whether folks are refusing to call her out, I don't think that's much of an argument. I think most everyone thinks she's uninformed, over-eager despite her ignorance, and likely gullible to bad information. She's also young enough that she can overcome those shortcomings. But it's really in no way inconsistent to hold that view, to refrain from starting new threads lambasting her, and to think that the attention she's getting on the right is a bit perverse. For instance, I don't think I've started many threads calling out the endless number of clowns in Congress each time they say something offending. There's endless opportunity for that. Personally, I'm more inclined to call it out when it's a person of specific authority and power who's acting out in irrational ways relevant to their authority and power. Again, endless opportunity for that. I'm certainly taking note of it and it's informing my opinion generally, but I don't see the point in calling it out every time in the moment.

The focus on AOC by Republicans has never really extended to the endless specific clowns in Congress who've taken absurd positions over the past several years (thus Rockfish's response about, e.g., Inhofe). It's easy for folks to draw conclusions from that as well.
 
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I guess I can’t stay away from this because I like to debate too much.

But, my online friend, I am perplexed by your defense of her while you continue to attack Republicans who are also obvious morons. Isn’t a moron a moron and can we not see that all I am trying to say is that we deserve better leadership than a bunch of morons regardless of what letter is in parentheses next to their name and state?

My criticism of her has nothing to do with defending Republicans. It has more to do with America falling yet again for a know-nothing with appeal to somebody.
I don't mean to defend AOC, who should learn not to talk when she doesn't know what she's talking about -- or at least learn how to talk when she doesn't know what she's taking about. I just don't understand why her foibles receive such attention. She's just one of about 90 soon-to-be freshman members of the House, which is full of politicians routinely making stupid comments.

In fairness to the points you and twenty are making, AOC has indeed seen a lot of media coverage since she shocked everyone by coming from nowhere to beat the Democratic Caucus Chair (who'd outspent her about 20-to-one). As astounding a feat as that seemed to the political press, it's still just 16,000 voters in Queens and the Bronx, as opposed to the 12,000 who preferred the establishment Democrat. This doesn't seem a particularly momentous event to me.

AOC is a 29-year-old recently former bartender who hasn't even been sworn in yet and has never before held elected office. She isn't even really a Democrat, claiming instead to be a Democratic Socialist. Yet somehow she's supposed to be the New Face of the Democratic Party. Well, she's not. I can assure you of this because I attend all the secret meetings where we decide that stuff, and she was nowhere on the agenda. :)

The crowning of AOC as the New Face of the Democratic Party reminds me of this Kliban cartoon:

Cynthia+Is+Mistakenly+Crowned+King+of+Norway
 
I just don't understand why her foibles receive such attention.

Really? I think you do understand.

In fairness to the points you and twenty are making, AOC has indeed seen a lot of media coverage since she shocked everyone by coming from nowhere to beat the Democratic Caucus Chair (who'd outspent her about 20-to-one).

I am pretty sure you understand.

AOC is a 29-year-old recently former bartender who hasn't even been sworn in yet and has never before held elected office. She isn't even really a Democrat, claiming instead to be a Democratic Socialist. Yet somehow she's supposed to be the New Face of the Democratic Party.

See, I knew you understood. She is being propped up just as the bolded comment suggests, mostly by a "wave of the woke" millennial political blogger types, as the face of the "new" age Democrat. In all actuality she is as you suggest, a 29 year old bartender. And I would add a typical SJW, non astute politically, and due to her lack of experience and her youthful exuberance is prone to leap before she looks, as the most recent foible illustrates. That is why she receives so much attention.
 
See, I knew you understood. She is being propped up just as the bolded comment suggests, mostly by a "wave of the woke" millennial political blogger types, as the face of the "new" age Democrat. In all actuality she is as you suggest, a 29 year old bartender. And I would add a typical SJW, non astute politically, and due to her lack of experience and her youthful exuberance is prone to leap before she looks, as the most recent foible illustrates. That is why she receives so much attention.
Apparently I'm not hip to the "wave of the woke" because I encounter exactly no one on the left making the case you describe. That all sounds like Reefer Madness to me.
 
She's all over The Atlantic today with her Green New Deal thing. I do agree that she's inconsequential...or should be. But she is, in fact, all over everywhere for everything. Not sure who is to blame for that. But it's not all right wing rags doing it.
 
Apparently I'm not hip to the "wave of the woke" because I encounter exactly no one on the left making the case you describe. That all sounds like Reefer Madness to me.

If only it was so simple to dismiss as "Reefer Madness" idiocy heh. I would say you don't get out much if you don't encounter it, but even in my cloistered, conservative Indiana existence as an AARP card wielding old ass man I certainly do, so it must be a case of willful ignorance. There is indeed a sizable contingent of self proclaimed Democratic Socialists and/or like-minded/sympathetic members of the left who view her as a trailblazer and/or poster child for the "new" new left. Get back to me in a decade or so, should we both be so fortunate to find ourselves still breathing and still politically engaged, and tell me if you still recognize your Democratic Party.
 
She's all over The Atlantic today with her Green New Deal thing. I do agree that she's inconsequential...or should be. But she is, in fact, all over everywhere for everything. Not sure who is to blame for that. But it's not all right wing rags doing it.

23 million hits on google for her...she should be inconsequential, but she and her ideals appeal to many...both adversaries and supporters alike.
 
How does one get to that point when they do not understand basic economics?
Exactly, if you listen to her in entirety, instead of quips, you’ll see it’s her complete foundational world-view that is off. The most concerning aspect of that world view though is that she is very confident of the the fact that she knows more about how this thing should work more than any of you.
 
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Exactly, if you listen to her in entirety, instead of quips, you’ll see it’s her complete foundational world-view that is off. The most concerning aspect of that world view though is that she is very confident of the the fact that she knows more about how this thing should work more than any of you.

I don't think she's unusual in this regard, at her age. She strikes me very much like a number of younger family members who fill my feed with posts about the miracle of Essential Oils and the horror of vaccines. The only difference is that my younger family members haven't managed to get themselves elected to Congress. Yet.

(In fairness, the other half of my feed is clogged with middle-aged male family member trumpeting Trump. So there's that.)
 
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I continue to be amused by not-Democrats who know so much more about what Democrats think than I do.

LOL...so in order to know what a Democrat thinks, one must be one. Cool, so can the not-Republicans, not-Libertarians, not-Greens etc at-al please cease and desist from opining on what said party or members think. We wouldn't want anyone to hurt themselves in their unbridled amusement. Oh, and from now on could all not-Democrats please consult with our resident Democrat expert Rockfish before opining on the state of his party, or at the very lease forward all potential posts for his inevitable proof reading and correction?

Thanks in advance!

Your Pal,
All4You
 
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