Alright, a bit OT and as true as this statement is, has there ever been a less qualified, in over one’s head more than this current mayor? As a former long time city resident and still often work there 30 years later, he’s pathetic!! The city’s well being be damned, he will do whatever the CTU and Cook County board tell him to do.
o$u fired Holtman last yr.......
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Unfortunately IU doesn’t have the stomach to deservedly fire him in season. We’re going to watch this sh!t show all season. They’ll win and game or two and get our hopes up and then lose a couple they should win. Agony all year long.
Yeah, but it's not like the Bears were firing Walter Payton. Woody gets this season, but he's a dead man walking if you ask me.
Even if he was as valuable to us as Payton was to the Bears (and I hate going down this path but I believe he wasn't-- as great a player as he was), he's sadly killing his playing legacy by playing this out. If things goes as most of us expect, pulling this band aid off slowly is going to be painful for everyone.
No question his legacy is being tarnished as we speak. That might be unfair, but he's never going to be viewed with as much love and appreciation now as he was when he was just viewed as one of the all time great IU players. The best thing he could do now is step down graciously at the end of the season and throw his full support behind the University and his successor. It would be a shame if he went out bitter and resentful.
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Personally, my guess is Mike's a pro. He will gladly take the money as long as it's given and I don't think he cares if you give it to him all at once at the end of this season, or over the rest of his contract, but he's not going to leave any on the table. If the rumors are true of him spending so much time on the golf course this summer, I'd guess he'd be happy to get a lump sum to end the season. This can't be fun for him either.
Never thought anyone could make mayor Beetle juice look good. But he’s done it Between king Madigan’s trial, Juicy Smool-yay case, Blago, and the $100B pension deficit , This god forsaken state is a train wreck.
if he's a dead man walking.......then make a deal now. something that both sides can live with.
we desperately need to inject some hope into the program and it sure as hell doesn't look like he's having any fun
why prolong the inevitable?
I'd love to see what somebody new at the helm might do with this roster
First off, disclaimer, I am a Purdue grad. But firing Woodson and promoting Cheaney is a very dangerous move. What if Calbert turns the team around and gets them into a 8 or 9 seed in the NCAA? How do you NOT give him the reins and a 5 year deal? If you want to go whaling for a coach at the end of the year, the safe play is let Woodson run out the string and do not allow yourself to get caught in another bad situation regarding a legacy player as coach.
I'd worry about that when the time comes. I'm not so sure CC would even want the gig
hell, I'd take Hummel right now. he seems to have a better handle on how college bball operates than woodson
That's the kicker. I don't know that any coach would willingly step down midseason. At that point he no longer gets a say in the matter. That's not something you can negotiate.
If he is fired (IMO, he should have been fired after last year) I think the chances of this getting bitter and resentful are close to 100%.
I don't think Woodson's ego will allow him to walk away gracefully! i.e. the "true fan" comment.
Everything is negotiable. He could offer to resign without giving up any of his buyout, to save IU the embarassment of having to fire one of their own and admitting they made a bad decision in hiring him in the first place.
Woodson isn't stepping down. This team is "5-2". Of course that does not represent the reality of this team and its coach. You can't negotiate a departure with a coach who has a "winning record". When 3 or 4 conference beatdowns in a row, including one or two in the Hall happens, it is going to sour and snowball. Woodson knows very well how to separate himself from criticism...he's made a career out of it. The legacy respect he gets will carry him through this season. It is almost unbelievable that the amount of financial investment that has been made at IU via NIL will likely result in a bubble situation and/or low seed.....again. I agree with others that a Chris Beard should be brought in. He's 51. I just don't know if Indiana University is willing to hire a coach of that calibur. They haven't since RMK was fired....not even close.
Dolson has huge leverage after the Cig hire and the football success. Quinn is a bug on his windshield.
What you suggest is 100% correct. He an arrogant prick and will never go out that way.
No1 is bigger than IU basketball. He is about to find that out the hard way. Sad, but IU fans are going to hold him in the same light as Archie. Anyone my age or younger, hell 10 years older than me and younger, never saw Woody play and could care less about what he did in the black and white tv era.
You’re probably right but for us old geezers it’s taken a lot to reach the point of disgust we’re at right now. He was fun to watch just like Cheney.
To think we’ve wasted another four years pisses me off so much. What pisses me off worse right now is he could muddle through the rest of the season, make the dance, win a couple games and we get him another year.
I think he needs to for sure make the sweet 16 or win the big ten to stay. Will be boos this week at the hall. I’ll be saying a few words of encouragement to Mikey Tuesday.
Sitting here reading comments on two boards while watching the Colts. Just before reading your post I was thinking the mood I am in I could get in trouble at the games this week. I was thinking about sending an email to Scott asking where the line is to get thrown out of AH. 😂
Way more than 5k and we had a great time. The IU basketball part sucked, but I'd do it again. Great time.
I firmly think that Quinn really believed Woodson would win, and “re-establish” IU hoops. Quinn wants IU to win.
I have no clue how long it might take Quinn to change his mind, and move on from Woodson.
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the capper for many was the "true fans" and "I've done my job" BS.
if he had any sense of the real world he'd be apologizing asking for patience instead of being that arrogant prick.
best case scenario is that he squeaks into the tourney and steps aside voluntarily claiming he "did the job" to save face
getting fired is a bad look for all concerned.
I can't imagine why he insists on being so stubborn and inviting the abuse that's coming
I honestly think he is too stupid to realize it. He might only now start to realize that Hoosier nation wants his head. Everyone has been very nice to Woodson and treated him like a king last few years.
In the Bahamas he was told multiple times to go F himself by our fans. You could see it a bit in his face after Gonzaga in the presser.
It is gonna get real ugly this year. He will want to quit soon.
Nah, Woody has a mega ego. He is accustomed to dealing with poor seasons and isn't going anywhere voluntarily. This is a cushy gig that pays 4x+ what he could make anywhere else. He's still got powerful friends around, though maybe some of them are waning in support, I don't know.
A podcast with two annoying people just released another episode with a former left-handed IU great. More alarming stories. People can believe them or not, but if you know enough people around the program you'll know most of what they've been saying is true. The recruiting and on-court results align with the stories.
I doubt our fans are going to exert much pressure in person -- people will get frustrated online but in person they're almost always nice Midwesterners. We have to hope Scott can win the politics battle behind the scenes. Hopefully he can.
A podcast with two annoying people just released another episode with a former left-handed IU great. More alarming stories. People can believe them or not, but if you know enough people around the program you'll know most of what they've been saying is true. The recruiting and on-court results align with the stories.
I doubt our fans are going to exert much pressure in person -- people will get frustrated online but in person they're almost always nice Midwesterners. We have to hope Scott can win the politics battle behind the scenes. Hopefully he can.
yeah, I don't get it
take whatever millions and go play golf somewhere. at his age this can't be any fun
hell, at any age it wouldn't be fun
At this point, the best move is to let the season play out. Even if the season gets REALLY bad, and we lose a fair bit more of our B10 games than we win... getting rid of him mid season isn't a great idea.
1. There's no benefit, timing wise, as any coach we'd be considering to replace him would be finishing out their own season...so there couldn't be any sort of open interviewing process.
2. Woodson, in all his fake macho glory, with his senior day comments last season, established/furthered the narrative that our fan base is unrealistic, bad, etc... So canning him mid season, for Dolson, would come across like he's caving to a toxic fan base.
3. As has been pointed out, firing him and appointing an interim coach can be dangerous. Mike Davis is a good example of what could happen. Now make that person Calbert Cheaney...and that decision gets exponentially more difficult if he'd get the guys to play better under his watch.
Nope, let the season play out...
-Continue to vet replacement candidates over the next couple months
-Through back channels, gauge interest of these candidates
-Establish an interview list
-Fire Woodson very quickly after our last game
-Move through interview process quickly, name the replacement by late March hopefully, so he can have a chance to maximize the portal.
I disagree with keeping Woodson through the season.....although that is what would happen if IU were to terminate him....and that is debatable. IU has established a pattern of keeping coaches beyond their usefulness. The fanbase has suffered through this script enough times already. Change requires taking a different approach. An interim coach at IU takes the pressure off of all parties concerned. The very best this team could do with an interim coach is make it to the NCAA tournament and get throttled again in the first or second round. That does not warrant retaining an interim coach. After all, Woodson is capable of getting the team to the first or second round before a Creighton or Wichita State smokes them. Make a statement that the university is going to go in a "really" different direction. Fire him after he strings a few losses together. Time is then your friend. You can search for a desirable replacement without the pressures of the season clouding the purpose.
Those who hired Woodson (whoever “they” truly are) are not about to fire him during the season. NFW.
As it has been said by others, even last year .... IU is NEVER going to fire a basketball coach during the season. Sure they did with Sampson but it wasn't because he was losing games. He had broken NCAA rules. So for those wanting Woodson fired before the season ends ... not going to happen.
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