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People who know more in this area can correct me but collective bargaining presupposes employer employee relationship. That contemplates so much more than a student athlete. All of those employment laws emerge
Are you the reincarnation of Acuro?
It's the employee part, not necessarily the collective bargaining.
The amount of money owed to current and former athletes and determining who gets how much would kill college sports and close some schools entirely.
If you’re Cincinatti simpleton ass ever said that to me in person I’d smack you silly and then laugh in your face. Bitch.
Watch your mouth.
That's my understanding. Everything under the FLSA would be in play.
He’s a snot nosed college kid with a wildly inflated regard for the worth of his opinions. Dbm may want to adopt him . . .
You don't have a choice.
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The flsa I know a lot about. Overtime claims ee misclassification etc. hell we could go on and on. Every injury a workers comp claim
As an aside bc you are a soccer guy. My buddy represented the great Angelo dibernardo in a comp claim sustained while playing. Couldn’t collect on the comp award. Went to circuit Ct and reduced it to a judgment then executed on the employers Astro turf field. Sold the field to western Illinois u
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I’ll create a new email and username, feel bad for giving you the extra work.
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How would former athletes be covered? Dartmouth athletes are unionized, the hole in the wall is already there.
They’d even be covered for workers comp for injuries sustained during the course and scope of employment. I.e. division 1 soccer played in front of 500 people who paid $5 each to watch and the entire program has a budget of $750k.
Former employees? That is what I do not get.
Are you not covered by health insurance as an athlete? That athlete that tears an ACL has to pay their own money?
It is already coming. NLRB believes they are employees, Dartmouth is unionized. The ball is rolling down that hill.
You'd have to go back and estimate all practice time spent by the athlete, including travel to away games and put a dollar figure on that.
Figure out all the tax implications to the athletes and the schools.
Every former athlete could be a possible member of a class action lawsuit regarding the privacy of their student records because as a state employee they're open to FOIA but that contradicts FERPA which says they're to be private.
Figure out amount of hours a week and their compensation otherwise subject to overtime pay. Two years backwards three years with intent. Attorneys fees. One misclasdified all misclassified. On and on.
If an employee is injured during the course and scope of his employment he gets workers comp. The employer pays the meds and a lump sump disability award at the end. You don’t use health insurance. What’s more for a bad injury they get lifetime benefits. A check for life. Ptd. And so does the lawyer GET THAT SHIT!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong; I'm fine with those being the rules. A reward for winning the division is either a bye or a home game? Fine with me. But in real life, the Lions and Vikings are clearly the two best teams in the NFC, and the loser this week will suffer a punishment similar to non-champions in college. I'm just pointing out that the NFL's system doesn't always prevent the exact same type of thing we are complaining about with the college system.
Once you start peeling it back, there's no way most schools have the level of resources needed to do that.
I remember when a 12-4 Colts team had to go play an 8-8 Chargers team on the road. Was complete BS.
SEC fans said their teams that didn’t make the CFP should have. Especially before Indiana. They’ve all pretty much had their clocks cleaned and Texas barely won today. They may or may not be the best two teams in the NFC, but only one can win the division.
That kind of thing is more common now that they moved from six divisions to eight. It's just too hard to have any sort of consistent competitive balance across all divisions. There will always be a couple of shitty division champions hosting a couple of really quality wild card teams.
I get that. Again, I'm not saying I want them to change the rules. I think there should be a reward for winning the division. I'm just saying that Tampa Bay hosting a playoff game is just as incongruous as Arizona State getting a first round bye. So nothing about the NFL inherently prevents the types of things about the CFP that got people's panties in a wad.
Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough tonight? Hoping you disappear when schools go back. No way you are an adult.
Players are soon to be paid by the schools directly, how can schools win any court case on them being employees? Back decades ago at the IRS, I had to ask people about their status as employees. It was things like, do you control the time you work? Do you control the location? Do you determine how to carry out the job or are there specific procedures you must follow? There are more, I do not recall them. But the NCAA will lose that lawsuit when it comes. Once these kids are directly paid, they are employees. The NLRB already believes it, as does Dartmouth. The cat is already out
What is the athlete's responsibility to the school wrt NIL? If Joe DB accepts 100k from Alabama and then is projected to be a first round pick in April, was he obligated to play against Michigan last night?
Think of this in the context of D1 soccer or any left handed sport. Budget $750k. Becky tears an acl. Surgery. $25k. She’s out for six months. 2/3 of weekly pay. Then gets settlement at the end. Hypo say $50k. Easily $100k plus for one kid. One common injury. And who is going to write that comp coverage. Youth football is literally down to one carrier last I checked
I'm not saying it isn't coming. I'm saying it's gonna turn schools upside down. Name a MAC or SBC school that can afford to do all the things required to square all those things Murt and I mentioned and then start sending check that don't bounce. You can't. It's a huge liability if no special consideration is given by the government.
Right. If they are not employees nor contractors, what are they? They have almost no control over their job, they aren't contractors. Unless Congress passes a law carving out student athlete as a classification, they will be employees and it will happen soon. The NCAA clearly hires lawyers from the discount rack
No. NIL can't be tied to playing or performance.
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