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it’s REALLY hard to win it all. IU could win BT titles in 10 of the next 20 years, and still not hang another banner. We were spoiled.
That's why "this" is so hard to take. At my age, old/not young, I don't expect to see another one. We're so far removed from a Final Four performance, the likes of what we saw this past one, it's sad, not like funny. I see no end in sight from my aged perspective, like fine wine never drunk.

This "this" is left up to the imagination of any member of the nation, Hoosiers. For me personally, "this" is the sh*t we've been seeing. Too much and it gets tough to flush.
 
What if IU never wins another title?

KU is a number 1 seed almost every single year. They win their conference at a crazy clip. And that was #2 for Self and #4 for the school.

they went 30 years between titles, and then almost 15 till the next one (1988, 2008, 2022).

and they have won the most games of any school.

it’s REALLY hard to win it all. IU could win BT titles in 10 of the next 20 years, and still not hang another banner. We were spoiled.
With all respect, winning in basketball (or football, or any other sport) at IU isn’t inherently difficult, but we’ve systematically done everything possible to not win. We’ve lacked a commitment to winning at the highest levels of the school for decades. With rare exceptions, we’ve hired and kept Athletic Directors who knew very little about any of the programs for which they were responsible. They didn’t know how to hire or work with coaches or maintain standards relayed to academics or decorum. They didn’t fund them properly, either and, often, that meant that facilities were substandard compared to our peers. And in many cases, they hired and kept poor coaches. All of this, by the way, with the tacit backing of alumni, fans, friends and boosters.

Simply put, it’s poor leadership exhibited by poor leaders leading to poor results. That we haven’t had a superior level of success is neither surprising, wrong or unfair. It’s been both predictable and just. And with the right leadership and commitment, it could easily change.
 
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I'm not defending CTC's results at IU. I think he was here several yrs longer than he should have been. We have Cody's commitment and then the surprise yr of Yogi's sr year to thank for that. If Cody didn't commit, CTC might not have made it past yr 4. And Yogi bought CTC one extra year at the end of his IU tenure.

But to think CTC and this 'Crean cult" you keep mentioning is the primary reason the IU program has slipped is ludicrous. The head coaches that preceded and followed CTC did much more damage to this program that CTC ever did.
IU fans went overboard when TC had some early success and eventually beat #1 Ky, but "cult" is not a word I would use and certainly nothing I ever saw.

Glass should not have extended TC and that error made it even more difficult to fire him when he initially wanted to (BOT and Pres stopped him). Had QB not backed Glass the next time around, his firing may have been delayed even longer.
 
IU fans went overboard when TC had some early success and eventually beat #1 Ky, but "cult" is not a word I would use and certainly nothing I ever saw.

Glass should not have extended TC and that error made it even more difficult to fire him when he initially wanted to (BOT and Pres stopped him). Had QB not backed Glass the next time around, his firing may have been delayed even longer.
For 15 years IU bball was coached by Mike Davis and then Tom Crean. 15 years. That set the program back big time.
 
For 15 years IU bball was coached by Mike Davis and then Tom Crean. 15 years. That set the program back big time.
Just be glad a trustee intervened and directed the AD to move Crean out or we would’ve had him much longer. Of course, Glass and Crean were the stewards the last time IU dealt with a series of vehicular shenanigans, with one incident nearly costing a kid his life. That they reacted so weakly was deplorable. Leadership matters, and both of those guys were really poor in that regard.
 
For 15 years IU bball was coached by Mike Davis and then Tom Crean. 15 years. That set the program back big time.
No Davis did not set us back we were in a position to make a very good hire at that point. Davis actually made the tourney 4 or his 6 years which is a heck of alot better than Archie or Crean did. The mistake was hiring Sampson instead of John B and keeping Crean at least two season too long. And the four years on the mid major flavor of the month were totally wasted years. All of this was caused by our admins.
 
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Just be glad a trustee intervened and directed the AD to move Crean out or we would’ve had him much longer. Of course, Glass and Crean were the stewards the last time IU dealt with a series of vehicular shenanigans, with one incident nearly costing a kid his life. That they reacted so weakly was deplorable. Leadership matters, and both of those guys were really poor in that regard.
Yep Glass would never of fired his bro Crean and he would not have fired Archie either. That is why he bolted like a coward before Archie needed to be canned.
 
Yep Glass would never of fired his bro Crean and he would not have fired Archie either. That is why he bolted like a coward before Archie needed to be canned.
He bolted because he lost the confidence of too many trustees. When Buckner intervened, Glass had already confirmed with Crean he was safe and sent him on a family trip to Florida. It was FG’s only opportunity to let him go, since Crean was only one year past a Big Ten regular season championship and couldn’t have been fired that year. When the BOT realized he wasn’t going to act, QB was tapped to step in, which he did. Then Glass wouldn’t even go fire him in person. Such a lack of leadership and, after the Miller debacle, he was out of second chances with the BOT. He jumped before being pushed.
 
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Yep Glass would never of fired his bro Crean and he would not have fired Archie either. That is why he bolted like a coward before Archie needed to be canned.
That is not accurate. In fact, and as I stated, Glass was stopped from firing TC on the first pass by the BOT. I know this directly from two BOT members.

That was reversed when QB intervened and helped make it happen. Our resident Purdue troll pulls this nonsense out of his ass simply to trash threads.
 
That is not accurate. In fact, and as I stated, Glass was stopped from firing TC on the first pass by the BOT. I know this directly from two BOT members.

That was reversed when QB intervened and helped make it happen. Our resident Purdue troll pulls this nonsense out of his ass simply to trash threads.
When did Glass try to do that? Please be very specific. I’ve asked you this on a number of occasions and you’ve consistently failed to provide an answer. In the interest of civility, please provide an answer. Thanks.

Edit: Rather than respond to your false flag posts, I’ll check this thread in hopes that you can provide support for your claim, which I’ve requested for months (to no avail). Thanks.
 
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That is not accurate. In fact, and as I stated, Glass was stopped from firing TC on the first pass by the BOT. I know this directly from two BOT members.

That was reversed when QB intervened and helped make it happen. Our resident Purdue troll pulls this nonsense out of his ass simply to trash threads.

Also, I think the biggest issue with firing Crean was the timing of his success. Whenever his seat got hot (year 3 and 7), he turned out a good season the following year. Firing him anytime sooner probably would have looked bad from the outside (and IU still caught some flack when it did) and put IU in a position to get a lesser hire than Archie.
 
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Also, I think the biggest issue with firing Crean was the timing of his success. Whenever his seat got hot (year 3 and 7), he turned out a good season the following year. Firing him anytime sooner probably would have looked bad from the outside (and IU still caught some flack when it did) and put IU in a position to get a lesser hire than Archie.
As well as the extension. Part of the reason there was initial resistance to moving on him. Resistance that was not completely gone even when it happened.
 
Also, I think the biggest issue with firing Crean was the timing of his success. Whenever his seat got hot (year 3 and 7), he turned out a good season the following year. Firing him anytime sooner probably would have looked bad from the outside (and IU still caught some flack when it did) and put IU in a position to get a lesser hire than Archie.
It’s one of the reasons Glass never wanted to fire him and Buckner had to step in. Glass wanted him to stay.
 
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