Name a few of your favorite politicians (past or present)

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You forgot Bull Conner and Roger Taney. 😁
Roger Taney looks exactly like one would expect him to look:

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Favorite:
Trey Gowdy
Peter Fitzgerald former Senator from Illinois. About the best thing I'll say about anyone or anything from Illinois.

Worst:
Bill Clinton- worst President of all time. Not even close. Whereas Truman's presidency got looked upon more favorably as time passed, Slick Willie's gets precipitously worse. Scumbag of a human too. Love watching old YouTube clips of leftist Christopher Hitchens absolutely fileting the Clintons.
 

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  • Dick Lugar
  • Lee Hamilton (indiana representative)
  • Former governor Lamn (Colorado)
  • Reagan
  • Sam Nunn (Senator from Georgia if I recall correctly)
  • Joe Manchin (Only present day one that I can tolerate)

You know, it's really a fun question/exercise, but when you get down to it for almost every person's favorites you can easily find someone who would place that politician in their "most-hated" list.

I can't think of any present or recent politician whom I can stand. That carries all the way down to local and school board politicians. Hell, if I were in an HOA area I'd include their board members as well.

There is just something about the people who run for office that is so off-putting and repulsive and I don't care if I generally agree with their policies and positions or not. Even those who come out of the military or business seem to pass through some portal that disfigures them and distorts their brain. It's as if all common sense and decency is excised. Maybe it's the new-found power and maybe it's the need to be perpetually grabbing for contributions. But something changes in their brains or is turned on when the person crosses over.

It's a disease.
 
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Worst:
Bill Clinton- worst President of all time. Not even close. Whereas Truman's presidency got looked upon more favorably as time passed, Slick Willie's gets precipitously worse.
You're apparently so hyperpartisan you've lost the ability to think clearly. You make these sweeping declarations that you simply pull out of your ass.

Clinton may be a poor excuse for a human being, but almost every scholarly ranking of presidents has him in the Top 20. Even a survey commissioned by the Wall Street Journal and the Federalist Society five years after his presidency ended put him at #22, which is the lowest I've seen. In the highly regarded Siena College Research Institute's 2018 rankings, Clinton sits at #15.
 

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I don't have the senatorial deep dive that most have on here so my favorite politicians tend to be presidents.

1. Polk - He was a Jacksonian so we don't align politically but the dude came in whooped holy ass. Probably accomplished more and shaped this country to what it is today in just four years....and no one ever mentions him.

2 - Lincoln. How on earth did we get such a gentle and graceful soul during our most trying time as a country. Every president around him is considered some of our worst but luckily he was made for the moment.

When the war was over supposedly Stanton wanted to send the south back to the stone ages. Lincoln said hell no. Stanton answered 'you need to eliminate your enemies' and Lincoln replied 'when I've made a friend, I've eliminated an enemy'.

3 - Carter because of his kindness and empathy. He's kind of the Ted Lasso of presidents. Of course his four years were pretty bad via the scorecard but he's one of the few presidents that I didn't see many personal flaws. Of course I was less than ten years old but history has portrayed him as the Ted Lasso. Gerald Ford is underrated for his kindness and empathy also.

4 - Perot. Loved him. Every word he said made so much sense to me. I was crushed when he all of a sudden backed out from paranoia. I really think he had a shot (he was leading before he dropped out). He was a superstar at the debates. He was exactly the third party outsider that I thought we needed and many are asking for today. He probably would have been a disaster but he got me interested in politics.

5 - Clinton. His eight years rocked. Economy was fire, he managed our deficit. His scoreboard was incredible. He was young, hip, very well versed. He was a new Democrat as he moved to the right, but it worked. It's too bad he was such a womanizer/playa or I think he would go down as one of our best presidents.

6 - Obama. He walked into a massive fishbowl and had to be Jackie Robinson. It's tough when you know you are historical and if he f'd up would make it harder for another POC to get the same opportunity for awhile. That's incredibly tough pressure on already the most pressure filled job. Not going to lie, I thought he'd be assassinated or at least have someone a take a shot at him. He handled the job with a grace but more important with an intelligence and a coolness, which is a pretty bad ass combination for a historical first president.

7 - Buttigieg. Easily to me the most impressive politician in this current environment. Never tends to get triggered but can be an absolute killer in discussions when it calls for it. He's very gifted as a communicator and I believe, although he's definitely ambitious, he wants to lead with kindness and empathy. I'm a big fan of his right now.

Lastly, I dispised him as a president but I think George W would be an absolute blast to hang out and have a beer with. He seems like a guy who would be hard not to like personally. Same goes for Reagan.
 
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Lastly, I dispised him as a president but I think George W would be an absolute blast to hang out and have a beer with. He seems like a guy who would be hard not to like personally. Same goes for Reagan.
There's a lot of people on here that seem to have a lot of hate. While there are presidents whose policies I didn't like I sure didn't despise/hate them. What's so ironic in a way is that people judge another person by how they act in public no matter if they are a horse's butt in private. There were lots of people who hated RMK because of some of his shenanigans but he did a lot of good stuff in the background. And there are people who really liked him because he won who would have hated him if he had been a politician in the opposite party from what they were.
 

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Strom Thurmond
George Wallace
What, no Lester Maddox, John Connally, or Jesse Helms? :eek: I mean as long as you're going to list Racist Dems who left the party over civil rights, (or in the case of Thurmond-the horror of integrating the US Military) and then were rejuvenated and finished out their days as Racist Pubs, why stop with just those two...;)


Just kind of curious what you find "admirable" about either Thurmond or Wallace?

How old ARE you? What could a "non-racist" begin to admire about George Wallace? I mean this is pretty cut and dried - "insipid Black voters", "segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever!". Really not a lot of nuance there...



I do enjoy Randy Newman's namecheck of "Lester" in one of the standout cuts from my favorite Randy Newman album...

"Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show

With some smart ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well he may be a fool but he's our fool
If they think they're better than him they're wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that's where I made this song

We talk real funny down here
We drink too much and we laugh too loud
We're too dumb to make it in no Northern town
And we're keepin' the n*****s down

We got no necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And college men from LSU
Went in dumb, come out dumb too

Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues
And they're keepin' the n*****s down"

 

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What, no Lester Maddox, John Connally, or Jesse Helms? :eek: I mean as long as you're going to list Racist Dems who left the party over civil rights, (or in the case of Thurmond-the horror of integrating the US Military) and then were rejuvenated and finished out their days as Racist Pubs, why stop with just those two...;)


Just kind of curious what you find "admirable" about either Thurmond or Wallace?

How old ARE you? What could a "non-racist" begin to admire about George Wallace? I mean this is pretty cut and dried - "insipid Black voters", "segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever!". Really not a lot of nuance there...




I do enjoy Randy Newman's namecheck of "Lester" in one of the standout cuts from my favorite Randy Newman album...

"Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show

With some smart ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well he may be a fool but he's our fool
If they think they're better than him they're wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that's where I made this song

We talk real funny down here
We drink too much and we laugh too loud
We're too dumb to make it in no Northern town
And we're keepin' the n*****s down

We got no necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And college men from LSU
Went in dumb, come out dumb too

Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues
And they're keepin' the n*****s down"

By all means, post your list and let me have a go at a critique. Don't afraid to step into the arena.
 

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I base something like this not on historical significance or party allegiance but who would be fun to drink and talk with...

Obama
GWB
Lyndon Johnson
Eisenhower
Teddy Roosevelt
Churchill
Hickenlooper
Robert Kennedy
Dan Crenshaw
 
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What, no Lester Maddox, John Connally, or Jesse Helms? :eek: I mean as long as you're going to list Racist Dems who left the party over civil rights, (or in the case of Thurmond-the horror of integrating the US Military) and then were rejuvenated and finished out their days as Racist Pubs, why stop with just those two...;)


Just kind of curious what you find "admirable" about either Thurmond or Wallace?

How old ARE you? What could a "non-racist" begin to admire about George Wallace? I mean this is pretty cut and dried - "insipid Black voters", "segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever!". Really not a lot of nuance there...




I do enjoy Randy Newman's namecheck of "Lester" in one of the standout cuts from my favorite Randy Newman album...

"Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show

With some smart ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well he may be a fool but he's our fool
If they think they're better than him they're wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that's where I made this song

We talk real funny down here
We drink too much and we laugh too loud
We're too dumb to make it in no Northern town
And we're keepin' the n*****s down

We got no necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And college men from LSU
Went in dumb, come out dumb too

Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues
And they're keepin' the n*****s down"


CNN is running a documentary series called 'The Story of Late Night'.

In it they touch on Dick Cavett and how he tried to brand himself as a deep thinker, higher level interviewer so he tackled more politically charged topics than Carson.

Anyway they brought up the Lester Maddox interview where Maddox walked out because he was offended that the term bigots was used to describe his base (Maddox was as you said a staunch segregationist and felt that integration was a communistic/socialistic plot to weaken the country, etc. Basically a lot of the same 'socialist, deep state' paranoia that we have today.

Anyway what I took notice was how angry he got that someone would call him a bigot.

It's easy with the lens of history to see how bigoted segregation was but at the time, it didn't seem like those that fought integration thought they were being a bit racist.
 

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What, no Lester Maddox, John Connally, or Jesse Helms? :eek: I mean as long as you're going to list Racist Dems who left the party over civil rights, (or in the case of Thurmond-the horror of integrating the US Military) and then were rejuvenated and finished out their days as Racist Pubs, why stop with just those two...;)


Just kind of curious what you find "admirable" about either Thurmond or Wallace?

How old ARE you? What could a "non-racist" begin to admire about George Wallace? I mean this is pretty cut and dried - "insipid Black voters", "segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever!". Really not a lot of nuance there...




I do enjoy Randy Newman's namecheck of "Lester" in one of the standout cuts from my favorite Randy Newman album...

"Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show

With some smart ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well he may be a fool but he's our fool
If they think they're better than him they're wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that's where I made this song

We talk real funny down here
We drink too much and we laugh too loud
We're too dumb to make it in no Northern town
And we're keepin' the n*****s down

We got no necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol' boys from Tennessee
And college men from LSU
Went in dumb, come out dumb too

Hustlin' 'round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin' drunk every weekend at the barbecues
And they're keepin' the n*****s down"

Question for ya. Do you consider James Carville a racist?
 

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Everyone should shoot for being half the man Dick Lugar is.... if they actually want to be a public servant.

His primary defeat basically started my transition to being an anti-partisan being.

When you desire to kick out someone that cares as much as he did, you know you're just a fkn clown.

You probably don't, as you are an idiot.

Also when I really started to dislike idiots.
 
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Favorite:
Trey Gowdy
Peter Fitzgerald former Senator from Illinois. About the best thing I'll say about anyone or anything from Illinois.

Worst:
Bill Clinton- worst President of all time. Not even close. Whereas Truman's presidency got looked upon more favorably as time passed, Slick Willie's gets precipitously worse. Scumbag of a human too. Love watching old YouTube clips of leftist Christopher Hitchens absolutely fileting the Clintons.


Lol.... when I think of small minded idiots.....I see someone like you. I'm sure you jerk off to Rush soundbites in a dropped ceiling basement.

Your recency bias shows the depth of a toddler pool. Did you flunk US history?
 

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Lol.... when I think of small minded idiots.....I see someone like you. I'm sure you jerk off to Rush soundbites in a dropped ceiling basement.

Your recency bias shows the depth of a toddler pool. Did you flunk US history?
Well, thanks.
Recency bias?
Laughable......any other buzzwords that you wanna use...
Don't forget my "white privlege".....

Nice ad hominem. Typical.....
 
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Everyone should shoot for being half the man Dick Lugar is.... if they actually want to be a public servant.

His primary defeat basically started my transition to being an anti-partisan being.

When you desire to kick out someone that cares as much as he did, you know you're just a fkn clown.

You probably don't, as you are an idiot.

Also when I really started to dislike idiots.
You mean was don't you .... he's dead isn't he?
Yeah for the most part I think Lugar voted the way he thought was right and NOT just for the party. I can remember him going against the party line to support Clinton in a few things. I really thought that Evan Bayh might be another one kinda like Lugar but he never had the balls to really go against the party line.
 
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Well, thanks.
Recency bias?
Laughable......any other buzzwords that you wanna use...
Don't forget my "white privlege".....

Nice ad hominem. Typical.....


When someone posts something as trollish as you did, it deserves an ad hominem.

If you were actually serious, that's even more bothersome, as it would show the complete failure of our education system.

And that's from someone that never voted nor much supported Clinton.
 

twenty02

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You mean was don't you .... he's dead isn't he?
Yeah for the most part I think Lugar voted the way he thought was right and NOT just for the party. I can remember him going against the party line to support Clinton in a few things. I really thought that Evan Bayh might be another one kinda like Lugar but he never had the balls to really go against the party line.

Yes was.....rip
 

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CNN is running a documentary series called 'The Story of Late Night'.

In it they touch on Dick Cavett and how he tried to brand himself as a deep thinker, higher level interviewer so he tackled more politically charged topics than Carson.

Anyway they brought up the Lester Maddox interview where Maddox walked out because he was offended that the term bigots was used to describe his base (Maddox was as you said a staunch segregationist and felt that integration was a communistic/socialistic plot to weaken the country, etc. Basically a lot of the same 'socialist, deep state' paranoia that we have today.

Anyway what I took notice was how angry he got that someone would call him a bigot.

It's easy with the lens of history to see how bigoted segregation was but at the time, it didn't seem like those that fought integration thought they were being a bit racist.
Do you think the comeback segregation is making on many college campuses is because those who want black graduations or want to exclude white people from certain events are bigots?
 
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When someone posts something as trollish as you did, it deserves an ad hominem.

If you were actually serious, that's even more bothersome, as it would show the complete failure of our education system.

And that's from someone that never voted nor much supported Clinton.
Trollish.....hilarious. Pot meet kettle. You fail miserably. Your critique is devoid of substance. Just personal attacks. Weak .....
 
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You got time to respond to him??? I figured your was counting the all the money that you've made off of cryptocurrencies... 😁
And that Eppy just did a drive by post pouring salt in the wounds. MATIC....
 
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There's a lot of people on here that seem to have a lot of hate. While there are presidents whose policies I didn't like I sure didn't despise/hate them. What's so ironic in a way is that people judge another person by how they act in public no matter if they are a horse's butt in private. There were lots of people who hated RMK because of some of his shenanigans but he did a lot of good stuff in the background. And there are people who really liked him because he won who would have hated him if he had been a politician in the opposite party from what they were.
I think it's in Tip O'Neill's either autobiography or biography where he talks about regularly having a beer with Reagan. I'm not doing the story justice, but essentially he stated that they could be vehemently opposed on a particular piece of legislation, but after hours they could share a beer, a laugh and ask about their families.
 

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I think it's in Tip O'Neill's either autobiography or biography where he talks about regularly having a beer with Reagan. I'm not doing the story justice, but essentially he stated that they could be vehemently opposed on a particular piece of legislation, but after hours they could share a beer, a laugh and ask about their families.
I suspect 90 percent of this board would get along great at happy hour or a ball game. It’s politics as a topic that invites contempt
 

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Do you think the comeback segregation is making on many college campuses is because those who want black graduations or want to exclude white people from certain events are bigots?

Please tell me you're not making the 'where is the white history month' argument.
 
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I think it's in Tip O'Neill's either autobiography or biography where he talks about regularly having a beer with Reagan. I'm not doing the story justice, but essentially he stated that they could be vehemently opposed on a particular piece of legislation, but after hours they could share a beer, a laugh and ask about their families.
I've use O'Neill an Reagan several times as an example several times. They were at the opposite end of the political scale but they could come to agreement on some things. Each realized the had to give up some of their wants to get some of their wants and each was willing to do it. Thanks for the pointer.... that sounds like an interesting read.

I remember a interview with Gingrich that I saw. You know some of the battles that he and Clinton had but he said that they talked about every day. I also have read that Bush was good about talking to the opposition party. I don't know if it's true or not but I've read several articles that said Obama very rarely talked to the opposition. and you know darn well Trump never would.
 

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Jefferson
Roosevelt (Teddy)
Eisenhower
Reagan
GWB

Dick Lugar
Birch Bayh
Otis Bowen
Mitch Daniels
Bill Hudnut
Steve Goldsmith

I will echo Fletch's sentiment for Trey Gowdy (which is why I liked his post), even though I don't necessarily share his complete contempt for the Clinton(s). I think they are both shitty humans, but they are savvy to the nth degree as political animals, so I have to respect at least that. I view AOC the same way. I would likely be opposed to nearly every policy stance that she has, but her ability to reach, motivate and excite her base is impressive.
 

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Jefferson
Roosevelt (Teddy)
Eisenhower
Reagan
GWB

Dick Lugar
Birch Bayh
Otis Bowen
Mitch Daniels
Bill Hudnut
Steve Goldsmith

I will echo Fletch's sentiment for Trey Gowdy (which is why I liked his post), even though I don't necessarily share his complete contempt for the Clinton(s). I think they are both shitty humans, but they are savvy to the nth degree as political animals, so I have to respect at least that. I view AOC the same way. I would likely be opposed to nearly every policy stance that she has, but her ability to reach, motivate and excite her base is impressive.
There was a book called The Natural by Joe Klein of Primary Colors fame. It's a great book about Bill Clinton. Only a couple hundred pages. Klein points out how brilliant Clinton was as a person and a politician. But the real point of the book is essentially; how can such a brilliant person surround himself with such sleazy people?

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There was never any involvement the Clintons had in Whitewater, but why the hell are they hanging out with the McDougals? Losers. Why would he get involved with these awful women and be so reckless IN THE WHITE HOUSE with Monica Lewinsky? So stupid.



Edited for Primary Colors.

Very interesting book. I think in terms of intelligence and political savvy, he has to be one of the most brilliant in US history. He's very flawed.
 
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ery interesting book. I think in terms of intelligence and political savvy, he has to be one of the most brilliant in US history. He's very flawed.
Bill comes across as a very likable person... Hillary as a bitch. Of course that is just my perception of them. Even though I didn't like a lot of his policies and his morals you gotta give credit where credit is due... he was a very, very good politician and a good speaker. None of the presidents since him are in his league as a politician or speaker. JMO
 
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  • Dick Lugar
  • Lee Hamilton (indiana representative)
  • Former governor Lamn (Colorado)
  • Reagan
  • Sam Nunn (Senator from Georgia if I recall correctly)
  • Joe Manchin (Only present day one that I can tolerate)

Franco
Nixon
Stalin
Massie
Mao
von Bismarck
Chiang Kai-shek

in no particular order