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Most of what makes MAGA hate the Dept of Education is rooted in lies about what they do

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Of course they are better. It's why they're growing and traditional media outlets are shrinking, Free markets, out perform monopolies.
I'm just some old guy on a message board, but even I can see that social media's popularity as a news source has grown due to its willingness to feed you only what you want to hear, and not because of its integrity and factual reporting. If the the level of news shopping around here, on a message board full of college educated adults (very doubtful, btw) is any indication, then the general public doesn't stand a chance, and couldn't discern a factual story from a hole in the ground.
 
I'm just some old guy on a message board, but even I can see that social media's popularity as a news source has grown due to its willingness to feed you only what you want to hear, and not because of its integrity and factual reporting. If the the level of news shopping around here, on a message board full of college educated adults (very doubtful, btw) is any indication, then the general public doesn't stand a chance, and couldn't discern a factual story from a hole in the ground.
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That's not any different than traditional news sources. The difference is there are no longer a half dozen gatekeepers who dictate what's "acceptable news". There are now 1000s of sources people can choose to listen to or ignore. The good ones rise to top. There are some negative trade offs, but overall it's a much better alternative. I disagree on the future. It's bright and decentralized.
 
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I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
Bottom line is the DOE is a failed institution. Give vouchers to parents so they can choose the best schools for their kids. Let the parents be the DOE.
 
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That's not any different than traditional news sources. The difference is there are no longer a half dozen gatekeepers who dictate what's "acceptable news". There are now 1000s of sources people can choose to listen to or ignore. The good ones rise to top. There are some negative trade offs, but overall it's a much better alternative. I disagree on the future. It's bright and decentralized.
The problem is the "good ones" are the those most dedicated to the mission of delivering red meat propaganda.
 
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That's wicked expensive, if you want to keep the lights on in the public schools while people opt for (and we pay for) the snake handler curriculum
The goal is not to preserve public education. It is to get the best education for our children. I would argue that overall it will be cheaper because you give the money directly to parents and therefore don't have all the government bureaucracy.
 
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The problem is the "good ones" are the those most dedicated to the mission of delivering red meat propaganda.
95% of the people I follow aren’t political and a lot of them are good. I purposely don’t follow Walsh, Shapiro, The Pos dude, and etc. because I don’t care to constantly read that stuff. People digest what they want to digest. I do think people on average are more informed today than 20 years ago. I think the issue is the addictiveness of all of it and how accessible it is, which leads to more anger and less happiness for people.
 
95% of the people I follow aren’t political and a lot of them are good. I purposely don’t follow Walsh, Shapiro, The Pos dude, and etc. because I don’t care to constantly read that stuff. People digest what they want to digest. I do think people on average are more informed today than 20 years ago. I think the issue is the addictiveness of all of it and how accessible it is, which leads to more anger and less happiness for people.
We’ve kept our college teammates chat together in one form or another for 25 years. This last month plus it’s starting to break down bc of politics. People do follow more. For better and worse
 
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Explain that a little further. What do you mean by lottery?

If your opening up school choice, how are you going to decide who gets to go to what school? First come, first serve won't work. We don't want parents "donating" to a school to make sure their kid get in. A legacy just continues status quo.

Put all who want in a school in a lottery and let the chips fall how they may.
 
And vouchers have to cover full cost of transportation to new school.
So if I live 3 miles from a public school and I'm fed up with them because they discuss Michelangelo's David in art class (PORN!),

I can get taxpayers to fully pay for bussing my kid to a school 25 miles away that hangs the 10 Commandments on the wall and teaches that Adam and Eve had pet dinosaurs?

Cool!
 
We’ve kept our college teammates chat together in one form or another for 25 years. This last month plus it’s starting to break down bc of politics. People do follow more. For better and worse
Tell them to knock it off and find a random message board to get their frustrations out. I know a place🤣
 
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Many of us believe our educational system has failed us and puts the blame on the Department of Education.

The irony of this is that the progress, or lack of it, comes through the "Nation's Report Card" as conducted by the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) which is funded by Congress and administered by the Department of Education with states and localities being responsible for actually teaching our children.

This article about NAEP in part states the following...

America’s most important testing program is one that most people have never heard of. It’s not the SAT, the ACT, Advanced Placement, the Armed Forces Qualification Test, the annual state assessments required by federal law, much less the contentious entry tests employed by selective high schools such as Stuyvesant and Boston Latin.

Nope. Those are all widely used, hotly debated, and much in the news of late, but they’re far from most important. Topping the list of what really matters is the National Assessment of Educational Progress, aka “the Nation’s Report Card” and widely referred to simply as “NAEP.”
 
So if I live 3 miles from a public school and I'm fed up with them because they discuss Michelangelo's David in art class (PORN!),

I can get taxpayers to fully pay for bussing my kid to a school 25 miles away that hangs the 10 Commandments on the wall and teaches that Adam and Eve had pet dinosaurs?

Cool!
The "common sense" party won. D'uh dude.
 
95% of the people I follow aren’t political and a lot of them are good. I purposely don’t follow Walsh, Shapiro, The Pos dude, and etc. because I don’t care to constantly read that stuff. People digest what they want to digest. I do think people on average are more informed today than 20 years ago. I think the issue is the addictiveness of all of it and how accessible it is, which leads to more anger and less happiness for people.
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Making sure disabled children get a fair education for one. In that mission they have been undoubtedly great.
It's already a law. We don't need another government bureaucracy to enforce a law.
 
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Only if you make up a correlation that's completely fabricated, yes. Again, the states set curriculum and standards. Always have.
The correlation is real. You're thinking of causation, which I never claimed, but an argument could certainly be made for it.
 
That needs to be setup and clarified prior to shutting anything down. It would be really sad to see states stopping IEP programs because of the chaos that's happening right now.
You really don't understand why or how this country was set up. States have power not authorized to the federal government under the Constitution.
 
No we don't. We have the highest higher education(college) cost on earth. But even with that factored we are barely top 5. When you take out college we are 6th in elementary cost per student and 9th in high school cost per student. Still high up there but not #1.
Link?
 
Just saw a funny instagram. This fat dad home from work in bad dockers and a shirt tucked in playing horse with older teenage kids. The dad goes “let’s start with an Adrian dantley fade away”

Comments are hilarious.

When he said Adrian dantley they should have known it was over

Pop was a problem in his day.

Did all that in dockers

Adrian dantley. They already on S

Work dockers. Didn’t even go inside. Straight from work
 
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It's already a law. We don't need another government bureaucracy to enforce a law.
I'm fine with transferring those responsibilities to another department. Just have a plan in place for that before going in like a wrecking ball.

Point is moot. Sounds like Trump is already back tracking on the department of Ed stuff.
 
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And what law is that? It is absolutely not the ADA.
Also, that relevant law has implementing regulations. That law requires those implementing regulations. Who do you think is responsible for those implementing regulations? Who do you think enforces those implementing regulations? Who do you think provides the necessary guidance to schools so that they can comply with those regulations? Who do you think informs parents of their rights under the pertinent law?

I took my son to a job interview the other day, at a well-known restaurant chain. Without that relevant law and the federal agency behind it he would not be where he is today.
 
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Also, that relevant law has implementing regulations. That law requires those implementing regulations. Who do you think is responsible for those implementing regulations? Who do you think enforces those implementing regulations? Who do you think provides the necessary guidance to schools so that they can comply with those regulations? Who do you think informs parents of their rights under the pertinent law?

I took my son to a job interview the other day, at a well-known restaurant chain. Without that relevant law and the federal agency behind it he would not be where he is today.

Spent a day with a friend and his "special education" high school students.

Came home thinking about how each of them could be productive and self sufficient, but had the feeling some would get lost in the shuffle.
 
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