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Most of what makes MAGA hate the Dept of Education is rooted in lies about what they do

Doesn’t take much once you understand legacy media is rotten to the core. Propaganda machines. Nothing more.
yeah, social media and podcasts are SO SO much better, with all of their in-depth fact-checking and distribution of clearly expert opinions.

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Grow their way out of it. That's cute. I'm sure this time will be different.
Bessent goal is 3% deficit before they're out of office. It's currently around 7% of GDP. If they get it close, they did a good job. If it stays the same or goes up, they failed and will get hammered in 28 at the polls.
 
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The crux of this is represented throughout graduate programs


That's a bullshit piece. It's only talking about discretionary spending. Ignoring we spend 14.5% of GDP today on the mandatory side. Which is all health care, food stamps, disability and old age benefits.

That's back to my root point. You are totally ignoring where all the spending is going by focusing all attention on an ever decreasing share of the pie
 
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yeah, social media and podcasts are SO SO much better, with all of their in-depth fact-checking and distribution of clearly expert opinions.

:rolleyes:
Of course they are better. It's why they're growing and traditional media outlets are shrinking, Free markets, out perform monopolies.
 
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That's a bullshit piece. It's only talking about discretionary spending. Ignoring we spend 14.5% of GDP today on the mandatory side. Which is all health care, food stamps and old age benefits.
The assumption holds tho. We’re operating from an assumption that all of that dod money is a worthwhile return. Instead of so many other things

We’re 35 trillion in debt. Where are you making that up?
 
So you think there should be more regulations and oversight from them and less state rights? Interesting.
No. I'm saying it shouldn't exist. It doesn't have anything to do with educating kids since thats all state and local according to many on here, so kill it.

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The assumption holds tho. We’re operating from an assumption that all of that dod money is a worthwhile return. Instead of so many other things

We’re 35 trillion in debt. Where are you making that up?

The assumption doesn't hold. At all. We're spending less and less of every tax dollar on defense every single year.

I've talked many times about how you make it up. Nobody cares or they stick their head in the sand.
 
The assumption doesn't hold. At all. We're spending less and less of every tax dollar on defense every single year.

I've talked many times about how you make it up. Nobody cares or they stick their head in the sand.
You don’t know that. Bc it wasn’t tried
 
I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
Most of that could be moved to other entities. Amend etc. Eeoc could do much of the title shit
 
List the reasons why the department education caused the US to fall to 28th in world ranking. Knowing they the Ed doesn't set carliculum, standards, and is only about 3% of funding for public schools(pretty much all of which is for special needs students). This will be interesting.
US education has fallen since the Dept of Education was created.

See a trend there?
 
What have they done to keep us from falling further then?

The mission of the Department of Education (ED) is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access for students of all ages. Learn more about our mission, offices within ED, key initiatives, and more.

The states need to step up and create better programs. The EDs mission is to support the states. Which they do but they don't tell them what to do. OTHER than, states cannot deny an education to kids with disabilities or for race, sex, or religious reasons. The ED polices that. Someone needs to.
 
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We spend more dollars per student than any other country. What has it gotten us?
No we don't. We have the highest higher education(college) cost on earth. But even with that factored we are barely top 5. When you take out college we are 6th in elementary cost per student and 9th in high school cost per student. Still high up there but not #1.
 
The dod budget is nearly a trillion dollars. Reimagining how we do things. As crazed wrote an across the board cut on absolutely everything.

Well I disagree with crazed on that. And so do House Republicans as their new reconciliation bill budget has a plus up for defense.
 
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Asking each state to decide whether or not to enforce federal laws such as Title IX, Title VI, Title I, disability compliance, special ed., etc. seems misguided and even bizarre. First, they are not going to raise the money at the state level to do all that. The cutbacks at the Federal level don't shift any funds to the state level. Second, do you really want to force families to have to shop for a state or community where their child with a developmental disability will be allowed in public school?
 
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Asking each state to decide whether or not to enforce federal laws such as Title IX, Title VI, Title I, disability compliance, special ed., etc. seems misguided and even bizarre. First, they are not going to raise the money at the state level to do all that. The cutbacks at the Federal level don't shift any funds to the state level. Second, do you really want to force families to have to shop for a state or community where their child with a developmental disability will be allowed in public school?
Who said it has to be state. Eeoc can do it
 
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So who would you transfer what the DoEd actually does too?
Let the states do most of it. Turn the funding into Block Grants. Put enforcement into an actual enforcement agency.

There's very little that they do that can't be decentralized, and it should be.

You seem to be careening around bumping into whattabouts and yabbuts.

The IEP process is a joke and needs to be overhauled, but that's another thread. When we did our last one it was like a giant weight was lifted.
 
Asking each state to decide whether or not to enforce federal laws such as Title IX, Title VI, Title I, disability compliance, special ed., etc. seems misguided and even bizarre. First, they are not going to raise the money at the state level to do all that. The cutbacks at the Federal level don't shift any funds to the state level. Second, do you really want to force families to have to shop for a state or community where their child with a developmental disability will be allowed in public school?

Federal law supersedes state law every single time... Any state choosing not to follow Federal law will end up losing on multiple fronts...

Whenever Democrats are on the wrong side of an argument they always immediately utilize two things: phony scare tactics and smear campaigns...

Just like clockwork...
 
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The assumption holds tho. We’re operating from an assumption that all of that dod money is a worthwhile return. Instead of so many other things

We’re 35 trillion in debt. Where are you making that up?
That’s the crux of the issue. We’re not, “making that up,” as you say.

And, what’s more, we’re never going to make it up. No one has the will nor the way to do what everybody knows needs to be done.

All we get is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. No balls.

Social Security, Medicare, interest on the debt. - There be demons here.
 
That’s the crux of the issue. We’re not, “making that up,” as you say.

And, what’s more, we’re never going to make it up. No one has the will nor the way to do what everybody knows needs to be done.

All we get is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. No balls.

Social Security, Medicare, interest on the debt. - There be demons here.
Concur completely
 
Federal law supersedes state law every single time... Any state choosing not to follow Federal law will end up losing on multiple fronts...
Of course states would be breaking Federal law. But there would be no Federal level oversight to make them lose anything, on any front.

States, go police yourself.
Figure it out.
Pay for it yourself, too.
If you have any questions, don't call us, since we are closed.
 
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