Most of what makes MAGA hate the Dept of Education is rooted in lies about what they do

[Univee2]

We spend more dollars per student than any other country. What has it gotten us?

Teachers unions up; student achievement levels down.

What a great deal.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

We spend more dollars per student than any other country. What has it gotten us?

Hey!
We're 28th!

 

[twenty02]

How drunk were you when you posted this?

Impossible to get drunk enough to ignore the govt has been taken over by a CCP benefactor

 

[TyWebbIU]

What do you think has been found? Who would know?

Has there been a single report released about anything? It's a bunch of random tweets with no supporting evidence.

$50m in condoms for Gaza! Oh whoops wasn't for Gaza it was AIDS prevention in Africa. But we put in on X so look over there! Shiny things for simpletons! Must be true! Doesn't stop the WH Press Sec from repeating it.

Elon: 'oh well, we'll make mistakes!' Your first thing out of the gate is an absurd mistake.

You need to turn away from the legacy media. It’s rotting your brain.

 

[larsIU]

You need to turn away from the legacy media. It’s rotting your brain.

How far will you dig to find the question to your answer?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

If it’s up to the States, then what good is the Department of Education good for?

Spent $Billions(borrowed).
Hired thousands of cronies and party hacks.
Achieved zero.
A true shitlib wet dream.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.

There are so many idiots in this country, we deserve to be run into the ground.

We spend half the amount on government than we did 60 years ago, but people are totally clueless.

All the while, the 'leaders' in the country lie blatantly to our face about what our problems are. And half the country buys into it, at any point in time....as it's their 'leaders' then espouse it.

Sheep to the slaughter

You keep saying we spend half the amount on gov than we used to like that means something. It’s no different than saying I make twice as much as I used to. If it’s too much or not enough is what’s germane. That’s it. We’re 35 trillion in debt with 35 million in pov. 60 years again means zero. Nothing. As crazed has aptly stated so many times we need to do something more drastic. Would you prefer the goose steppers of the past? Your posture on all of this is bizarre. A blanket deference to fckd up gov and opposition to finally someone saying we need to radically change what we do.

And congress. Please. They aren’t equipped to run a Dairy Queen.

 

[snarlcakes]

How far will you dig to find the question to your answer?

Did your wife hit you with this one in the morning? If, yes, don't come home without a new purse, flowers, and shoes.

Edit: In all seriousness, I would just file for divorce right then if my wife asked me this question.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

What MAGA hates most about the DOE

is the E part.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Teachers unions up; student achievement levels down.

What a great deal.

Everything is in degrees of failing and we have twenty and others fighting to the death to maintain the status quo. Objecting vehemently to those trying to change. Wtf.

 

[snarlcakes]

You keep saying we spend half the amount on gov than we used to like that means something. It’s no different than saying I make twice as much as I used to. If it’s too much or not enough is what’s germane. That’s it. We’re 35 trillion in debt with 35 million in pov. 60 years again means zero. Nothing. As crazed has aptly stated so many times we need to do something more drastic. Would you prefer the goose steppers of the past? Your posture on all of this is bizarre. A blanket deference to fckd up gov and opposition to finally someone saying we need to radically change what we do.

And congress. Please. They aren’t equipped to run a Dairy Queen.

 

[twenty02]

You keep saying we spend half the amount on gov than we used to like that means something. It’s no different than saying I make twice as much as I used to. If it’s too much or not enough is what’s germane. That’s it. We’re 35 trillion in debt with 35 million in pov. 60 years again means zero. Nothing. As crazed has aptly stated so many times we need to do something more drastic. Would you prefer the goose steppers of the past? Your posture on all of this is bizarre. A blanket deference to fckd up gov and opposition to finally someone saying we need to radically change what we do.

And congress. Please. They aren’t equipped to run a Dairy Queen.

You continue to miss the mark. All leaders are lying to your face. Arguing over which nickels to pick up in front of a stream roller and getting half the country to believe they are doing something.

I point out we're spending half as much on govt than we did decades ago so hopefully people will get their heads out of their asses and be honest. Though seems very unlikely.

 

[mcmurtry66]

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It’s puzzling to me. These agencies operate no differently than nonprofits. There’s a fundamental flaw. If they fix something. Anything. They aren’t needed. And if you ask for less money you give the perception you aren’t important. So they just grow and grow. Look how many people Biden hired.

What’s the DOE budget. Probably close to 300 billion. That’s absurd. Restructure. Shift things to the states. Amend laws. Amend regs. Move shit. Be aggressive

 

[mcmurtry66]

You continue to miss the mark. All leaders are lying to your face. Arguing over which nickels to pick up in front of a stream roller and getting half the country to believe they are doing something.

Let’s see. We’re having the discussion. A discussion that we certainly would not have been having under Harris. We would have just kept inflating the balloon

It hasn’t been a month

 

[larsIU]

Did your wife hit you with this one in the morning? If, yes, don't come home without a new purse, flowers, and shoes.

Edit: In all seriousness, I would just file for divorce right then if my wife asked me this question.

No i use it on her.

Sigma.

 

[twenty02]

Let’s see. We’re having the discussion. A discussion that we certainly would not have been having under Harris. We would have just kept inflating the balloon

It hasn’t been a month

The discussion has been unchanged for decades.

Only people not having it are those in power. Ever. Trump says it's off limits. So forget anything changing in next 4 years.

It's complete bullshit and I'm sick of the lying, obfuscating and finger pointing. That goes for most of the bullshit that gets posted on here.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You continue to miss the mark. All leaders are lying to your face. Arguing over which nickels to pick up in front of a stream roller and getting half the country to believe they are doing something.

I point out we're spending half as much on govt than we did decades ago so hopefully people will get their heads out of their asses and be honest. Though seems very unlikely.

You keep missing the mark. Spending half as much doesn’t mean anything. We’re 35 trillion in debt with 35 million in pov. Maybe we need to spend 20 percent as much.

Or if 35 trillion in debt is of no moment and the proverbial cliff will continue to move thereby allowing us to just always live like this say that and explain how and why. Bc maybe that is the case. 35 didn’t do much more than 15 to avg joe. But if there is a D day what we spent historically is immaterial

 

[mcmurtry66]

The discussion has been unchanged for decades.

Only people not having it are those in power. Ever. Trump says it's off limits.

It's complete bullshit and I'm sick of the lying, obfuscating and finger pointing. That goes for most of the bullshit that gets posted on here.

Well I’ve studied it for years. Have a Bach in political science and a masters in public administration and policy. I’ve NEVER seen anything remotely like what we are seeing now with re to calling for change. I mean this could ultimately be a challenge to Woodrow Wilson and FDR

 

[twenty02]

You keep missing the mark. Spending half as much doesn’t mean anything. We’re 35 trillion in debt with 35 million in pov. Maybe we need to spend 20 percent as much.

Or if 35 trillion in debt is of no moment and the proverbial cliff will continue to move thereby allowing us to just always live like this say that and explain how and why. Bc maybe that is the case. 35 didn’t do much more than 15 to avg joe. But if there is a D day what we spent historically is immaterial

You still can't get your head around the reality of the situation. And no offense, but you are a perfect example of the problem.

Why are we 35T in debt? It ain't because of govt agencies and appropriated funds.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You still can't get your head around the reality of the situation. And no offense, but you are a perfect example of the problem.

Why are we 35T in debt? It ain't because of govt agencies and appropriated funds.

I know exactly where it comes from. Covid. Stimulus. 2008. Tax cuts. Gov spending. Decreased rev on and on. But no offense to you you’re exactly the problem. Eh what’s the point of saving if it’s only a nickel. Or oh that’s mandatory can’t cut. At some point every penny counts AND we are going to have to cut sacred cows and raise revenue.

But there’s also a very important perception component. I watch how worthless are congress is. Congress usually has approval ratings in the 20s. They can’t come to us and ask for more money in that fashion. Only blind Dems say uhhhh okay. Discerning people say F that. You show these people you’re making cuts. Trying. Brought in outsiders not goose steppers. Aren’t paying kpmg to create seminars to advise $60k a year employees on the GS about the job market we will feel better about their being stewards of our money.

Or we just default

 

[larsIU]

I know exactly where it comes from. Covid. Stimulus. 2008. Tax cuts. Gov spending. Decreased rev on and on. But no offense to you you’re exactly the problem. Eh what’s the point of saving if it’s only a nickel. Or oh that’s mandatory can’t cut. At some point every penny counts AND we are going to have to cut sacred cows and raise revenue.

But there’s also a very important perception component. I watch how worthless are congress is. Congress usually has approval ratings in the 20s. They can’t come to us and ask for more money in that fashion. Only blind Dems say uhhhh okay. Discerning people say F that. You show these people you’re making cuts. Trying. Brought in outsiders not goose steppers. Aren’t paying kpmg to create seminars to advise $60k a year employees on the GS about the job market we will feel better about their being stewards of our money.

Or we just default

Yes....but

DoD
Medicare
SS

Twenty's right. Nickels next to gold bars.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yes....but

DoD
Medicare
SS

Twenty's right. Nickels next to gold bars.

Of course. Has to be included. As crazed said. Across the board. Cut the fck out of dod. Slash it. SS raise age and caps. Medicare get to work

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yes....but

DoD
Medicare
SS

Twenty's right. Nickels next to gold bars.

Some of this is no different than saying we’re not supplying the kitchen at the office any more. Or Cortez and I had a close friend at a big Indy firm that got chewed out bc he was using bond paper in the copier 🤣. None of those things matter to the ultimate bottom line. But they create a perception and can help to change the culture. People think gov views our money as Monopoly money. They don’t earn it they hit us as their atm. Even feigning lean and mean can help make them seem like better stewards and make it easier to tax etc imo

 

[snarlcakes]

It’s puzzling to me. These agencies operate no differently than nonprofits. There’s a fundamental flaw. If they fix something. Anything. They aren’t needed. And if you ask for less money you give the perception you aren’t important. So they just grow and grow. Look how many people Biden hired.

What’s the DOE budget. Probably close to 300 billion. That’s absurd. Restructure. Shift things to the states. Amend laws. Amend regs. Move shit. Be aggressive

I agree. We need to cut 2 trillion from the budget. I'd much rather get rid of the DOE and cut 300 billion from it than from the military or entitlements. Yes, eventually they will have to touch those, but I'd prefer the number to be as low as possible.

 

[twenty02]

I know exactly where it comes from. Covid. Stimulus. 2008. Tax cuts. Gov spending. Decreased rev on and on. But no offense to you you’re exactly the problem. Eh what’s the point of saving if it’s only a nickel. Or oh that’s mandatory can’t cut. At some point every penny counts AND we are going to have to cut sacred cows and raise revenue.

But there’s also a very important perception component. I watch how worthless are congress is. Congress usually has approval ratings in the 20s. They can’t come to us and ask for more money in that fashion. Only blind Dems say uhhhh okay. Discerning people say F that. You show these people you’re making cuts. Trying. Brought in outsiders not goose steppers. Aren’t paying kpmg to create seminars to advise $60k a year employees on the GS about the job market we will feel better about their being stewards of our money.

Or we just default

Let's try it another way.

At one point in your life, say you were spending 80% of your income on your housing and utilities and food. And 20% on going out and getting drunk and spending $on cougars at 3up. Life was ok but you'd rather have more to spend chasing cougs. But at least you paid all your bills.

Now we gave you an unlimited limit credit card but said be responsible. So you figure, hey....if I can cut down my basic living costs I'll have more coug money. I want to be responsible... So year by year I'll reduce my fixed costs so I have more 3up money.... until the point I'm living in a van down by the river.

But now I'm a full blown alcoholic and I'm chasing cougs to Vegas every month. Now I'm only spending 40% of my income on my fixed costs. But I'm spending 100% of my income chasing cougs in Vegas.... I'm spending 40% more than I'm making. Things are getting kind of ugly looking.... Not sure how long I can keep this going....

So clearly the answer is to.... Sell the van!

 

[Baller23Boogie]

I agree. We need to cut 2 trillion from the budget. I'd much rather get rid of the DOE and cut 300 billion from it than from the military or entitlements. Yes, eventually they will have to touch those, but I'd prefer the number to be as low as possible.

And yet, the plan is to raise our debt by 4 trillion.....

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Let's try it another way.

At one point in your life, say you were spending 80% of your income on your housing and utilities and food. And 20% on going out and getting drunk and spending $on cougars at 3up. Life was ok but you'd rather have more to spend chasing cougs. But at least you paid all your bills.

Now we gave you an unlimited limit credit card but said be responsible. So you figure, hey....if I can cut down my basic living costs I'll have more coug money. I want to be responsible... So year by year I'll reduce my fixed costs so I have more 3up money.... until the point I'm living in a van down by the river.

But now I'm a full blown alcoholic and I'm chasing cougs to Vegas every month. Now I'm only spending 40% of my income on my fixed costs. But I'm spending 100% of my income chasing cougs in Vegas.... I'm spending 40% more than I'm making. Things are getting kind of ugly looking.... Not sure how long I can keep this going....

So clearly the answer is to.... Sell the van!

 

[twenty02]

Of course. Has to be included. As crazed said. Across the board. Cut the fck out of dod. Slash it. SS raise age and caps. Medicare get to work

Why the hell should we be slashing DOD? It's the only thing we've got going for us in this world. We should be spending more. We're already at the lowest level since before WW2.

 

[snarlcakes]

I know exactly where it comes from. Covid. Stimulus. 2008. Tax cuts. Gov spending. Decreased rev on and on. But no offense to you you’re exactly the problem. Eh what’s the point of saving if it’s only a nickel. Or oh that’s mandatory can’t cut. At some point every penny counts AND we are going to have to cut sacred cows and raise revenue.

Throw in the trillions from the wars in the Middle East.

 

[larsIU]

Of course. Has to be included. As crazed said. Across the board. Cut the fck out of dod. Slash it. SS raise age and caps. Medicare get to work

The political capital just isn't there. And I don't see where it is on the horizon. The cuts will have to be longer term and smaller to ever be politically feasible.

Some of this is no different than saying we’re not supplying the kitchen at the office any more

It's way different but I get the gist of what you're trying to say. But the white elephants remain the white elephants.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I agree. We need to cut 2 trillion from the budget. I'd much rather get rid of the DOE and cut 300 billion from it than from the military or entitlements. Yes, eventually they will have to touch those, but I'd prefer the number to be as low as possible.

Let's try it another way.

At one point in your life, say you were spending 80% of your income on your housing and utilities and food. And 20% on going out and getting drunk and spending $on cougars at 3up. Life was ok but you'd rather have more to spend chasing cougs. But at least you paid all your bills.

Now we gave you an unlimited limit credit card but said be responsible. So you figure, hey....if I can cut down my basic living costs I'll have more coug money. I want to be responsible... So year by year I'll reduce my fixed costs so I have more 3up money.... until the point I'm living in a van down by the river.

But now I'm a full blown alcoholic and I'm chasing cougs to Vegas every month. Now I'm only spending 40% of my income on my fixed costs. But I'm spending 100% of my income chasing cougs in Vegas.... I'm spending 40% more than I'm making. Things are getting kind of ugly looking.... Not sure how long I can keep this going....

So clearly the answer is to.... Sell the van!

Why the hell should we be slashing DOD? It's the only thing we've got going for us in this world. We should be spending more. We're already at the lowest level since before WW2.

Twenty your take on military would be a good thread and a better discussion that doesn’t lend itself to drive by posting as I multi task.

This is where I go left. To me it’s not a given that it’s a good thing. A boon. It’s the majority of discretionary spending. The lion’s share of gov personnel. Gives power to military industries, engendered economic dependence, and has materially weakened gov’s ability to perform other core services. Healthcare. Infrastructure. On and on.

 

[snarlcakes]

And yet, the plan is to raise our debt by 4 trillion.....

The 4 trillion number is ludicrous, but you're correct they're not going to balance the budget through austerity. They're trying to cut waste, onshore some production, and grow their way out of the debt issue. It's the best path forward in my opinion and one they can actually do. Getting the votes to cut entitlements and military isn't happening. If you think the complaining is bad now, wait for when granny is getting pushed off a cliff in a wheelchair because her entitlements were trimmed.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

The 4 trillion number is ludicrous, but you're correct they're not going to balance the budget through austerity. They're trying to cut waste, onshore some production, and grow their way out of the debt issue. It's the best path forward in my opinion and one they can actually do. Getting the votes to cut entitlements and military isn't happening. If you think the complaining is bad now, wait for when granny is getting pushed off a cliff in a wheelchair because her entitlements were trimmed.

I've noticed none of Elon Musk's numerous government contracts have come into question. I wonder why that is.....

But sure, let worry about the senior that gets less then 1k a month to live on.

 

[twenty02]

Twenty your take on military would be a good thread and a better discussion that doesn’t lend itself to drive by posting as I multi task.

This is where I go left. To me it’s not a given that it’s a good thing. A boon. It’s the majority of discretionary spending. The lion’s share of gov personnel. Gives power to military industries, engendered economic dependence, and has materially weakened gov’s ability to perform other core services. Healthcare. Infrastructure. On and on.

I'll just say... Since the country is about Making America Great Again. When is was supposedly 'great' we spent 9% of GDP on defense. Now it's 3.5%.

It's no surprise we have less and less influence over world affairs by the year. And China is filling the gap. I don't think that's a positive thing for our citizens, long term. We're slowly becoming Europe. A big welfare state that's eating up and crowding out everything else.

 

[mrhighlife]

What have they done to keep us from falling further then?

The mission of the Department of Education (ED) is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access for students of all ages. Learn more about our mission, offices within ED, key initiatives, and more.

About Us

Learn more about the Department of Education's mission to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.

www.ed.gov

So you think there should be more regulations and oversight from them and less state rights? Interesting.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'll just say... Since the country is about Making America Great Again. When is was supposedly 'great' we spent 9% of GDP on defense. Now it's 3.5%.

It's no surprise we have less and less influence over world affairs by the year. And China is filling the gap. I don't think that's a positive thing for our citizens, long term. We're slowly becoming Europe. A big welfare state that's eating up and crowding out everything else.

That’s comparing military spending to military spending. Not to other programs over the last 50 years. It presupposes that was money well spent vs bolstering other functions of gov

 

[BCCHoosier]

The 4 trillion number is ludicrous, but you're correct they're not going to balance the budget through austerity. They're trying to cut waste, onshore some production, and grow their way out of the debt issue. It's the best path forward in my opinion and one they can actually do. Getting the votes to cut entitlements and military isn't happening. If you think the complaining is bad now, wait for when granny is getting pushed off a cliff in a wheelchair because her entitlements were trimmed.

Grow their way out of it. That's cute. I'm sure this time will be different.

 

[twenty02]

That’s comparing military spending to military spending. Not to other programs over the last 50 years. It presupposes that was money well spent vs bolstering other functions of gov

it's comparing the % of the nation's economy we spent on defense then vs now. I don't understand what you are saying.

 

[mcmurtry66]

it's comparing the % of the nation's economy we spent on defense then vs now. I don't understand what you are saying.

The crux of this is represented throughout graduate programs

We Get What We Pay For: The Cycle of Military Spending, Industry Power, and Economic Dependence | Costs of War

The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

watson.brown.edu

 

[TyWebbIU]

How far will you dig to find the question to your answer?

Doesn’t take much once you understand legacy media is rotten to the core. Propaganda machines. Nothing more.