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Beat me to it!! I was going to start a new thread about this. Since was at the IU game, only saw while looking at various game highlights last night and this morning.

Reminiscent of the game at IU in ‘17 when IU’s Simmie Cobbs recovered an on-side kick along the East/UM sideline. Of course, was deemed by refs that Cobbs had run OOB right before getting the kick in stride. IU went onto to lose in OT.
 
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Beat me to it!! I was going to start a new thread about this. Since was at the IU game, only saw while looking at various game highlights last night and this morning.

Reminiscent of the game at IU in ‘17 when IU’s Simmie Cobbs recovered an on-side kick along the East/UM sideline. Of course, was deemed by refs that Cobbs had run OOB right before getting the kick in stride. IU went onto to lose in OT.
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We've been blatantly screwed by the Refs at their place so many times I've lost count...

Every call should be reviewable and the coaches should get 3 challenges a game (with the loss of a timeout if they don't win the review)...

The guy is right... The Refs who made that call should be investigated... They obviously changed the dynamics of the game in favor of Michigan... Anyone making those types of calls shouldn't even be Refereeing Bantam League games...
 
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I didn't see it live, but I saw the replay on the internet and associated comments. but it triggered a thought from Me. We play Michigan and Ohio State on consecutive weeks in mid-November. Let's say at that point OSU and Michigan are both undefeated in Conference, and Michigan's only loss was to Number One Texas The Big Ten wants to get as many teams in the Playoff as possible. They want the regular season finale with Michigan and OSU to involve 2 teams undefeated in Conference play. That way no matter Who wins, both Michigan and OSU will have arguments to be in the field. If We are in a close game with Michigan into the 4th Quarter, The penalty flags will start flying against Us for phantom holding, questionable pass interference for breathing on a Michigan Receiver and the ever popular unnecessary Roughness for bumping in to an opposing player As You turn to walk to Your huddle. Given our experiences with Officiating in games against Michigan, I can't help but think the Officials will give Michigan every opportunity to win that game.
 
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I didn't see it live, but I saw the replay on the internet and associated comments. but it triggered a thought from Me. We play Michigan and Ohio State on consecutive weeks in mid-November. Let's say at that point OSU and Michigan are both undefeated in Conference, and Michigan's only loss was to Number One Texas The Big Ten wants to get as many teams in the Playoff as possible. They want the regular season finale with Michigan and OSU to involve 2 teams undefeated in Conference play. That way no matter Who wins, both Michigan and OSU will have arguments to be in the field. If We are in a close game with Michigan into the 4th Quarter, The penalty flags will start flying against Us for phantom holding, questionable pass interference for breathing on a Michigan Receiver and the ever popular unnecessary Roughness for bumping in to an opposing player As You turn to walk to Your huddle. Given our experiences with Officiating in games against Michigan, I can't help but think the Officials will give Michigan every opportunity to win that game.
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Cignetti would lose his mind.
 
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76-1 said:
We've been blatantly screwed by the Refs at their place so many times I've lost count...

Every call should be reviewable and the coaches should get 3 challenges a game (with the loss of a timeout if they don't win the review)...

The guy is right... The Refs who made that call should be investigated... They obviously changed the dynamics of the game in favor of Michigan... Anyone making those types of calls shouldn't even be Refereeing Bantam League games...
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Who makes these incredible rules decisions on what is reviewable? An offside on an onside kick try not being reviewable is the perfect opportunity for a corrupt official. So is nearly any other play that they know is not reviewable. They all should be.
Usually I attribute these bad calls to incompetence. This may actually be corruption. (Which could be a federal offense with gambling involved.) These shady calls used to show up mainly in the SEC, but Michigan takes a back seat to no one.

Somebody said they think the ball hit a Minny player early. If so, and that was called, no complaints. But not calling something that didn't happen, and is clear it didn't happen.
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I didn't watch the game but saw the final score and assumed that Michigan was helped by the zebras! I was right as usual. I think Michigan has too many scum boosters that get in the refs heads almost like the mob! I think the barstool sports owner is a big Mich donor for one! NCAA won’t care to investigate or do anything about it though. Especially after last year when Mich rubbed their cheating in everyones faces and still got off scott free!
 
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Crossblock said:
I didn't see it live, but I saw the replay on the internet and associated comments. but it triggered a thought from Me. We play Michigan and Ohio State on consecutive weeks in mid-November. Let's say at that point OSU and Michigan are both undefeated in Conference, and Michigan's only loss was to Number One Texas The Big Ten wants to get as many teams in the Playoff as possible. They want the regular season finale with Michigan and OSU to involve 2 teams undefeated in Conference play. That way no matter Who wins, both Michigan and OSU will have arguments to be in the field. If We are in a close game with Michigan into the 4th Quarter, The penalty flags will start flying against Us for phantom holding, questionable pass interference for breathing on a Michigan Receiver and the ever popular unnecessary Roughness for bumping in to an opposing player As You turn to walk to Your huddle. Given our experiences with Officiating in games against Michigan, I can't help but think the Officials will give Michigan every opportunity to win t
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Agree 100%. When it comes to Ohio State and Michigan, IU has always had questionable calls go against them.
 
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I heard the official threw the flag after the recovery. Part of why I called it corruption.

But I just watched the replay a few times, pretty sure he's pulling the flag quickly after the kick. And, I can see why someone thought they saw offsides, the kick and timing was so perfect that player were ahead of the ball after the ball was just a few feet off the tee.

Clearly wrong. Can't make that call! But, easily could have been mere incompetence. If he'd watched the kickers foot and seen it had followed through before anybody broke the plane, but he probably was focusing on the ball and was badly fooled.

Simple, just review it, Minny ball. Done.
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Crossblock said:
I didn't see it live, but I saw the replay on the internet and associated comments. but it triggered a thought from Me. We play Michigan and Ohio State on consecutive weeks in mid-November. Let's say at that point OSU and Michigan are both undefeated in Conference, and Michigan's only loss was to Number One Texas The Big Ten wants to get as many teams in the Playoff as possible. They want the regular season finale with Michigan and OSU to involve 2 teams undefeated in Conference play. That way no matter Who wins, both Michigan and OSU will have arguments to be in the field. If We are in a close game with Michigan into the 4th Quarter, The penalty flags will start flying against Us for phantom holding, questionable pass interference for breathing on a Michigan Receiver and the ever popular unnecessary Roughness for bumping in to an opposing player As You turn to walk to Your huddle. Given our experiences with Officiating in games against Michigan, I can't help but think the Officials will give Michigan every opportunity to win that game.
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I get your point but I think it's very unlikely Michigan will be undefeated in conference play in mid-November. Their offense is one-dimensional (no passing game) and they're very beatable. I could see them losing to one or more of at Washington, at Illinois and home to Oregon.
 
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4IUSox2 said:
Beat me to it!! I was going to start a new thread about this. Since was at the IU game, only saw while looking at various game highlights last night and this morning.

Reminiscent of the game at IU in ‘17 when IU’s Simmie Cobbs recovered an on-side kick along the East/UM sideline. Of course, was deemed by refs that Cobbs had run OOB right before getting the kick in stride. IU went onto to lose in OT.
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Was at that game and totally agree!!
 
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There was the time that a Wolverine FB ‘intentionally’ fumbled OOB right to Lee Corso to avoid getting tackled in bounds. Lee caught the ball, and complained fervently that the intentional act was a penalty.

Maybe Shanahan goes uptempo early in the Wolves to make them play catchup.

There are some pass rush holding calls that are too obvious not to get called.
 
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There was the time that a Wolverine FB ‘intentionally’ fumbled OOB right to Lee Corso to avoid getting tackled in bounds. Lee caught the ball, and complained fervently that the intentional act was a penalty.

Maybe Shanahan goes uptempo early in the Wolves to make them play catchup.

There are some pass rush holding calls that are too obvious not to get called.
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It was 1979. Late-October. My first real taste as a kid that UM/Bo (along with OSU) played by a different set of rules than the rest of the league. It was so obvious a call because UM was out of TOs, and not one of the 6 refs had the guts to throw a flag. Game wasn’t on tv (few were back then), but was listening to the radio call by Don Fischer with my dad.

The MSU folks derisively refer to the UM favoring refs as “Referines.”
 
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It was 1979. Late-October. My first real taste as a kid that UM/Bo (along with OSU) played by a different set of rules than the rest of the league. It was so obvious a call because UM was out of TOs, and not one of the 6 refs had the guts to throw a flag. Game wasn’t on tv (few were back then), but was listening to the radio call by Don Fischer with my dad.

The MSU folks derisively refer to the UM favoring refs as “Referines.”
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Unfortunately, doing that wasn't against the rules at the time, so no penalty could be called. As much as I hate to admit it, it was a brilliant play by the kid. In spite of that, all we had to do was not give up a huge play for a touchdown on the next play. It's also worth noting that the game would have ended in a tie, not a Hoosier win.

True to IU's luck, that play became the reason the rule was amended to make an intentional fumble out of bounds a penalty.
 
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The B1G changed the rules to get OSU into championship game. While I expect zero integrity from B1G leadership, I actually think the new Western teams help make the playing field more even. Can't screw everyone for two or three teams. Helps us I think.
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This is such a tired argument. Ohio State beat us. They would have owned the tiebreaker. They could have rolled out 22 engineering students and lost 222-0 to Michigan and still earned a spot in the B1G championship game.
 
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This is why we need UM to lose a couple times before coming to IU. Hell, they were damn lucky to win that USC game the way their offense played in the second half. That 60 yard run to set up the game-winning score was aided by multiple missed tackles by USC.

At Illinois and Oregon at UM on 11/2 appear to be the best chances for that. Best to have them at 3 losses, otherwise there may be a flag on IU after any big gain in a close game, while UM will be able to do whatever they please.

Don’t forget ‘91 either. Trent Green clearly hit OOB, no flag. IU hits Grbac, I believe it was, when still in bounds running near sideline, flag!!! And Refs initially signal DPI on IU defending Desmond Howard on a clearly uncatchable ball out the back of the End Zone. Refs huddle, call IS THEN CHANGED (!!!) to defensive holding, thus penalty was assessed, where as the DPI on an uncatchable ball can not. Mal lets the refs have it in the post-game, gets suspended for next game at Madison.
 
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This is why we need UM to lose a couple times before coming to IU. Hell, they were damn lucky to win that USC game the way their offense played in the second half. That 60 yard run to set up the game-winning score was aided by multiple missed tackles by USC.

At Illinois and Oregon at UM on 11/2 appear to be the best chances for that. Best to have them at 3 losses, otherwise there may be a flag on IU after any big gain in a close game, while UM will be able to do whatever they please.

Don’t forget ‘91 either. Trent Green clearly hit OOB, no flag. IU hits Grbac, I believe it was, when still in bounds running near sideline, flag!!! And Refs initially signal DPI on IU defending Desmond Howard on a clearly uncatchable ball out the back of the End Zone. Refs huddle, call IS THEN CHANGED (!!!) to defensive holding, thus penalty was assessed, where as the DPI on an uncatchable ball can not. Mal lets the refs have it in the post-game, gets suspended for next game at Madison.
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Zero chance we get into the playoffs with 2 losses. Zero.

Schedule is weaker than most. Rutgers could also have 1-2 losses.
 
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Zero chance we get into the playoffs with 2 losses. Zero.

Schedule is weaker than most. Rutgers could also have 1-2 losses.
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?? While I agree with you, we need to be 11-1 to get into the playoffs, Where did I mention anything about the playoff in what you quoted and replied to??

The context being, if UM comes to IU with only 1 loss, the BT will do all they can to try and get them to the their season finale vs OSU at 11-1.
 
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One of the worst calls I've ever seen. Didn't that also survive a replay review?
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I do recall that it was reviewed for less than a minute. no way They were going to overturn that call in front of 100,000 plus Michigan Fans. I remember I wrote something about the length of the review contrasting that with the review We received at Iowa earlier in the year that lasted 20 minutes and overturned a touchdown that would have given Us a 27-10 lead in the third quarter. At Michigan it was like They didn't want to make any effort to find evidence to overturn, while at Iowa They wanted to take the time to find every reason to overturn the call.
 
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?? While I agree with you, we need to be 11-1 to get into the playoffs, Where did I mention anything about the playoff in what you quoted and replied to??

The context being, if UM comes to IU with only 1 loss, the BT will do all they can to try and get them to the their season finale vs OSU at 11-1.
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I can actually see a scenario where, even at 11-1, IU might get passed over for the playoff. Especially if enough other B1G and SEC teams finish 11-1 or even 10-2.

After all, we’re not imo talking about a “true” playoff that reveals a true champion. The FCS playoff comes closer to that. To me the FBS playoff more closely resembles an “invitational tournament” the main purpose of which is to assemble as many “big brand” programs as possible and maximize ratings as a result.

That’s why I disagree with those who think that expanding the playoff will eliminate situations like the one with Florida State last season. If anything, I think we may see even more situations like that going forward. And programs like IU (or Rutgers) could end up being victims of it.
 
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Still not enough of a rule change. What if one ref sees offside, the other doesn’t? This still leaves plenty of Ref “huddle time” to twist things around to give UM or OSU, if involved, the call. This needs to be reviewable. Hopefully in the off season that will happen.
 
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Still not enough of a rule change. What if one ref sees offside, the other doesn’t? This still leaves plenty of Ref “huddle time” to twist things around to give UM or OSU, if involved, the call. This needs to be reviewable. Hopefully in the off season that will happen.
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Exactly. It states that “offsides” isn’t reviewable. Why can’t they just change that offsides on kickoffs is reviewable?

How many times would that rule actually come into play? Not like it will unnecessarily slow the game down.
 
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