VanPastorMan
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Here is a smart guy. Great conversation about our governmental structure by the Founders.You're a partisan hack, and your not very smart, so none of this is surprising.
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Here is a smart guy. Great conversation about our governmental structure by the Founders.You're a partisan hack, and your not very smart, so none of this is surprising.
Even I question the ACTUAL "Intent". I was not a fan of it from day one, knowing that it would be corrupted... If that was baked in to start with.
I know people that didn’t vote for McCain or Romney yet constantly complained about Obama being President. Those people are mostly Trumpers now and they don’t seem to understand that they helped elect the guy (Obama) they considered to be the worst choice. The same people ensured that the Republicans lost the special Senate elections in Georgia by spreading the idea that their votes wouldn’t count in Georgia. Of course this is my opinion, but I think it’s a reasonable one. A study would be nice.McCain was the nominee in a very bad year to be the Republican nominee. Romney damaged his own campaign enough without outside help.
But you probably have a point. I will never forget that town hall when NcCain politely chastised a potential voter for claiming she didn't trust Obama because he was an Arab and a Muslim. I don't know if she ended up voting for McCain, anyway, but I have little problem imagining she gleefully voted for Trump.
I agree. Blaming Trump for past defeats doesn't make any sense.That doesn’t make any sense at all.
I didn't. I blamed a lot of the people who support Trump now who didn't vote for the Republicans running against Obama.I agree. Blaming Trump for past defeats doesn't make any sense.
You really gotta spell things out for DINC.I didn't. I blamed a lot of the people who support Trump now who didn't vote for the Republicans running against Obama.
It was a dazzling display of lack of reading comprehension.You really gotta spell things out for DINC.
This article provides a fuller perspective of the role and thinking of the progressive tradition in America, tracing back to the Founding Fathers.Here is a smart guy. Great conversation about our governmental structure by the Founders.
And what do you base this on?I didn't. I blamed a lot of the people who support Trump now who didn't vote for the Republicans running against Obama.
And you base this on.... what you think?I didn't. I blamed a lot of the people who support Trump now who didn't vote for the Republicans running against Obama.
You are no prize at comprehension yourselfYou really gotta spell things out for DINC.
Any examples to share, or are you just talking out of your DANC?You are no prize at comprehension yourself
I suspect the voters you are talking about merely helped Obama win by more than he otherwise would have. Neither 2008 nor 2012 were particularly close elections. Heck, Trump only got 2 million more votes in 2016 than Romney did four years earlier. Even with 2 million more votes, Romney very likely would have lost, unless those votes were particularly heavily distributed among Florida, Ohio, Virginia, and Colorado. Maybe the first two would have flipped, but it's unlikely all four of them would have.I know people that didn’t vote for McCain or Romney yet constantly complained about Obama being President. Those people are mostly Trumpers now and they don’t seem to understand that they helped elect the guy (Obama) they considered to be the worst choice. The same people ensured that the Republicans lost the special Senate elections in Georgia by spreading the idea that their votes wouldn’t count in Georgia. Of course this is my opinion, but I think it’s a reasonable one. A study would be nice.
Many of today's Trump supporters voted for Obama. It makes my head hurt to even contemplate that, but the evidence is clear.I didn't. I blamed a lot of the people who support Trump now who didn't vote for the Republicans running against Obama.
Exciting finish.Damn this gold cup final looks like a big ole Fing spreader event. Mexicans packed in like sardines and outnumbering Americans 5 to 1 per usual
Big win without our euros. That stadium is something else. Wow.Exciting finish.
What does that say about your brain dead savior?Many of today's Trump supporters voted for Obama. It makes my head hurt to even contemplate that, but the evidence is clear.
yabuttLike Trump spied on reporters he didn't like.
SoccerpaloozaDamn this gold cup final looks like a big ole Fing spreader event. Mexicans packed in like sardines and outnumbering Americans 5 to 1 per usual
Directly or indirectly.Many of today's Trump supporters voted for Obama. It makes my head hurt to even contemplate that, but the evidence is clear.
I voted for both of those guys....that being said, I don't like the idea of blaming voters for not getting out to vote for a guy that does not represent them. McCain and Romney lost their elections by not making a good case to the American people to vote for them. Maverick had a history of being kind of an asshole (yeah, yeah military hero and all that, but he was a dick at times) who appeared to mostly enjoy being that a-hole when he was Maverick-ly voting against his own party. And Romney was the literal embodiment of the type of person those voters who stayed home were becoming tired of. At a certain point it becomes incumbent upon the party to represent their voters. The GOP, by and large, still has not figured that out.I didn't. I blamed a lot of the people who support Trump now who didn't vote for the Republicans running against Obama.
What percentage of that maskless at those two events do you think were vaccinated?Soccerpalooza
Trump got 10 million more votes in 20 than 16. How is that a referendum?
I voted for both of those guys....that being said, I don't like the idea of blaming voters for not getting out to vote for a guy that does not represent them. McCain and Romney lost their elections by not making a good case to the American people to vote for them. Maverick had a history of being kind of an asshole (yeah, yeah military hero and all that, but he was a dick at times) who appeared to mostly enjoy being that a-hole when he was Maverick-ly voting against his own party. And Romney was the literal embodiment of the type of person those voters who stayed home were becoming tired of. At a certain point it becomes incumbent upon the party to represent their voters. The GOP, by and large, still has not figured that out.
There is not enough of the electorate left to support Paul Ryan Republicanism because the Paul Ryan Republicans let their high dollar donors sell off the country piece by piece. Yeah, the stock market is doing great and (after massive bailouts) the financial sector is back to trading money and making bets on a system that is held up by the U.S. Treasury's printing press, but those silly voters who can't see that voting for the GOP based on fights they just never seem able to put up are the ones at fault. Eventually the argument that the other guy is terrible so let's do what he wants, only more slowly, tends to turn people off who are truly looking for an alternative.
I voted for them but McCain and Romney sucked (In my opinion).
Many of today's Trump supporters voted for Obama. It makes my head hurt to even contemplate that, but the evidence is clear.
I know you won’t get this, but you just completely made Alohas point about the Trump supporters.I'm really surprised that YOU didn't include Pelosi and Hunter Biden in your "good Presidents" list.
igw in paragraph form. Now that is a burn that is comedy goldLow information voters are a bipartisan affair. Fk Trump. He won a split primary vote getting about a 35% ceiling. He lost the popular vote both times, the second time by a historic margin for an incumbent. In 2016, he got the same amount of votes that GWB got in fkn 2004. His big "win' was an extreme statistical anomaly, garnering only 7.5m more votes than Reagan achieved in freaking 1984, and running against one of the most unpopular politicians in the country.
He had the worst public approval ratings for a 1st term president in history. And then got his doors blown off by a very mediocre candidate in his 2nd try.
Trump is a paper tiger. His coattails resulted in an amazing string of losses from everyone he got near. Including somehow losing a Senate race in fkn Alabama, and three times in Georgia. Losing the House, Losing the Senate.
Regardless what Crazy (aka IGW in paragraph form) has to say, his brand and politics is toxic shit and any so called Republican that wants to continue down this death march requires a lobotomy.
You wouldn't be one of the people I'm speaking of. I'm speaking of the people that spent 8 years complaining about President Obama while at the same time saying they didn't vote for McCain or Romney because they weren't their idea of perfect Republicans. Then they vote for Trump who apparently is the perfect Republican for them (RINO for me). I know these people. Lots of them. Fine if they didn't like McCain and Romney, but if they hated Obama, they had a choice of imperfect Republicans (and there is no perfect Republican) and didn't make it. There complaints don't mean so much to me because of that.I voted for both of those guys....that being said, I don't like the idea of blaming voters for not getting out to vote for a guy that does not represent them. McCain and Romney lost their elections by not making a good case to the American people to vote for them. Maverick had a history of being kind of an asshole (yeah, yeah military hero and all that, but he was a dick at times) who appeared to mostly enjoy being that a-hole when he was Maverick-ly voting against his own party. And Romney was the literal embodiment of the type of person those voters who stayed home were becoming tired of. At a certain point it becomes incumbent upon the party to represent their voters. The GOP, by and large, still has not figured that out.
There is not enough of the electorate left to support Paul Ryan Republicanism because the Paul Ryan Republicans let their high dollar donors sell off the country piece by piece. Yeah, the stock market is doing great and (after massive bailouts) the financial sector is back to trading money and making bets on a system that is held up by the U.S. Treasury's printing press, but those silly voters who can't see that voting for the GOP based on fights they just never seem able to put up are the ones at fault. Eventually the argument that the other guy is terrible so let's do what he wants, only more slowly, tends to turn people off who are truly looking for an alternative.
I voted for them but McCain and Romney sucked (In my opinion).
No, not because they lost. I told you why they were not strong candidates in the post.You think they sucked because they lost. They lost because they were running against Obama, who had a basically unbeatable coalition.
But you've drank the populist koolaid and are a joke as a conservative. Run either against Hillary and see who wins.
Fair enough, I don't think Trump is a perfect Republican by any means either, I do like where he drove some of the conversations though. I don't think Paul Ryan Republicanism is right for the moment. Not as the dominant position. I think pragmatically that the pendulum is pulling back to the center in that party. That is where the voters are and that is where we have a need. Yeah, it is nice that folks like Twenty02 can do well in the market, but him doing well is not necessarily a good bellwether on the rest of the country.You wouldn't be one of the people I'm speaking of. I'm speaking of the people that spent 8 years complaining about President Obama while at the same time saying they didn't vote for McCain or Romney because they weren't their idea of perfect Republicans. Then they vote for Trump who apparently is the perfect Republican for them (RINO for me). I know these people. Lots of them. Fine if they didn't like McCain and Romney, but if they hated Obama, they had a choice of imperfect Republicans (and there is no perfect Republican) and didn't make it. There complaints don't mean so much to me because of that.
50% of those that claimed they are.What percentage of that maskless at those two events do you think were vaccinated?
This is why you are not taken seriously here, and I suspect most other places you work and live.Still accurate
Fair enough, I don't think Trump is a perfect Republican by any means either, I do like where he drove some of the conversations though. I don't think Paul Ryan Republicanism is right for the moment. Not as the dominant position. I think pragmatically that the pendulum is pulling back to the center in that party. That is where the voters are and that is where we have a need. Yeah, it is nice that folks like Twenty02 can do well in the market, but him doing well is not necessarily a good bellwether on the rest of the country.
Until we eliminate the vast amount of "assistance" , in all of its many forms, the middle class is going to struggle.Fair enough, I don't think Trump is a perfect Republican by any means either, I do like where he drove some of the conversations though. I don't think Paul Ryan Republicanism is right for the moment. Not as the dominant position. I think pragmatically that the pendulum is pulling back to the center in that party. That is where the voters are and that is where we have a need. Yeah, it is nice that folks like Twenty02 can do well in the market, but him doing well is not necessarily a good bellwether on the rest of the country.
Can you imagine what it must be like to be a teacher? The entitled parent ratchets things up a whole other level.Until we eliminate the vast amount of "assistance" , in all of its many forms, the middle class is going to struggle.
If, in days gone by, people that would have been sent to Muscatatuk...these folks should qualify for all the assistance necessary.
99% of the others getting "assistance" need to figure this game out.
The formula is readily available but the government needs to get out of the way for the formula to succeed.
I challenge anyone that disagrees to apply for a pharmacy technician license. It will only take about 2 weeks for the most staunch doubters to come around.
Then you can quit the job...that's what everyone else does because dealing with the "entitled" public sucks.
Nobody fails anymore. Little Johnny doesn't have to be prepared for life....the multitude of government programs will take care of him.Can you imagine what it must be like to be a teacher? The entitled parent ratchets things up a whole other level.
Can you imagine what it must be like to be a teacher? The entitled parent ratchets things up a whole other level.