Money wins championships

[Crusty The Baker]

It’s hard to have sustained success in the Power 5 without money. If IU wants to compete for Big Ten championships, it will need championship caliber assistant coaches. That said, the playing field is nowhere near level and strongly correlated with football stadium size. Ohio State’s revenue is $110 million more than IU’s: nearly double. This is why OSU can, for example, pay $1.2M to hire a Kevin Wilson to be offensive coordinator (same as his IU head coaching salary) and $1.1M to a Larry Johnson to coach the d-line and not stress out. That said, they have to because they spend almost all of their revenue. OSU can’t afford to not be a championship caliber football team. IU is 9th in conference. The other high revenue departments are the teams we get excited to beat on the field. You can see the numbers for yourself here:

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

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Here’s a link to an article that discloses IU Football coach salaries.

IU football assistants get raises through marketing bonuses

BLOOMINGTON – When Indiana football coach Tom Allen earned a $1 million raise in February to increase his average annual salary to $4.9 million, he pushed for increased pay for

www.heraldbulletin.com

Some things popped out at me:

- Strength coach Aaron Wellman is the highest paid assistant at $705k. This makes him the second highest paid strength coach in college football. This seems like a bit of overinvestment/paying too much, but maybe it will pay off someday. Right now, it seems that the money would be better spent reallocated to offensive assistant coach salaries (see below.) For reference, David Ballou made $400k at IU and makes $525k at Alabama. Here’s an article talking about how soft tissue injuries have decreased at Alabama since Ballou and Rhea. Coincidentally we’ve lost several key players this season to soft tissue injuries and of course Penix last year.

Nick Saban Details Interesting Change Since Departure of Scott Cochran

Alabama head coach Nick Saban is commonly referred to as the GOAT; the greatest of all time when it comes to college football. And there are several reasons for

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- Charlton Warren is next at $700k. This is $350k more than IU paid Wommack and is roughly what Wommack makes now at South Alabama. Mike Tressel made $695k at MSU. Warren made over $600k as the DB coach at Georgia. Top D-coordinators in the Big Ten are paid over $1M. Until IU is willing/able to pay that kind of money, the strategy will be to hire inexperienced coordinators every few years and hope they pan out.

- IU went cheap on offensive coordinator and line coach salaries and we’re feeling the effects. IU pays Sheridan and Hiller $500k each, which is peanuts compared to the best in the field. IU paid Deboer $800k and got its money’s worth. As I mentioned above, OSU pays Kevin Wilson $1.2M and has former NFL QB coach Ryan Day developing the QBs as well as running the show. Wisconsin pays Joe Rudolph $820k to be offensive coordinator and offensive line coach. DMac gets $515k. Heard gets $425k. Purdue has Brohm at what, $6M, his brother as QB/co-OC at almost $500k, and Jamarcus Shepherd as WR/co-OC for almost $500k.

- Justin Frye (IU ‘06) makes $700k at UCLA as their offensive coordinator and O-line coach under Chip Kelly. The only other person I can think of who was mentored by Chip Kelly is Ryan Day. He turned out ok.

Going cheap on OC and OL coaches is a fatal error. IU Athletics needs to find an extra $1-1.5M or so per year in salary and benefits to get a great offense out there. Easier said than done.

 

[4IUSox2]

As I mentioned in a different thread, I’m intrigued by Frye…would he come? How much would it cost? Didn’t realize he was making that kind of $$ at UCLA.

Wonder what our panel of “experts” thinks of him and likelihood he would “come home?”

 

[td75]

I do think they're going to have to try and attract the very best OC they can get. At a place like Indiana, that is only possible if they pony up big money.

I guess 800k+ would probably do the trick. They need a splashy hire to regain momentum.

 

[76-1]

I do think they're going to have to try and attract the very best OC they can get. At a place like Indiana, that is only possible if they pony up big money.

I guess 800k+ would probably do the trick. They need a splashy hire to regain momentum.

Probably closer to $975,000 this time plus complete control of the Offense and his choice of OL and WR coaches...

Whether we're willingly to do either (that kind of payout and give up that kind of control) remains to be seen...

 

[Crusty The Baker]

Part of the calculus must be an estimation of Memorial Stadium’s revenue ceiling. In 2019, IU brought in less than $20M from football ticket sales. For reference, this is less than 1/3 of what OSU makes according to this IndyStar article:

IU football: Financial impact of a lost season would be ugly. Here's the math.

If the football season is a complete loss, the impact on Football Bowl Subdivision athletic departments will be catastrophic. IU would not be spared.

www.indystar.com

Memorial Stadium is about half of Ohio Stadium’s capacity, so it’s reasonable to estimate that IU could get about $30 million, or $10 million more than current, if we sold out every game at OSU prices. The realistic near term ceiling is probably a lot lower, maybe even less than $1M more than today. Even that’s not happening without an offense that can score and an offensive line that doesn’t endanger the long term physical well being of QBs.

I haven’t done the math on what the total offensive staff budget needs to be, but Dolson has. He also knows a lot more and has a lot more at stake on the outcome than me, Internet Yahoo. I have a lot of confidence that we’re going to see an overhaul of some sort.

 

[vesuvius13]

It sounds like coach Allen [based on waiting for the new OC to decide on his staff] wants a true OC in charge of all the offense and will bring in an OC to run the show on that side of the ball. If this is coach's plan and idea then I think it is a great idea.

 

[AmeliaScott93]

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[MIS01]

Part of the calculus must be an estimation of Memorial Stadium’s revenue ceiling. In 2019, IU brought in less than $20M from football ticket sales. For reference, this is less than 1/3 of what OSU makes according to this IndyStar article:

IU football: Financial impact of a lost season would be ugly. Here's the math.

If the football season is a complete loss, the impact on Football Bowl Subdivision athletic departments will be catastrophic. IU would not be spared.

www.indystar.com

Memorial Stadium is about half of Ohio Stadium’s capacity, so it’s reasonable to estimate that IU could get about $30 million, or $10 million more than current, if we sold out every game at OSU prices. The realistic near term ceiling is probably a lot lower, maybe even less than $1M more than today. Even that’s not happening without an offense that can score and an offensive line that doesn’t endanger the long term physical well being of QBs.

I haven’t done the math on what the total offensive staff budget needs to be, but Dolson has. He also knows a lot more and has a lot more at stake on the outcome than me, Internet Yahoo. I have a lot of confidence that we’re going to see an overhaul of some sort.

The calculus also has to include the Varsity Club-type donations OSU commands to be eligible to get tickets. You have to have a certain giving level just to get tickets for a single game, let alone season tickets. They are also in a major metropolitan area with more lucrative sponsorship opportunities.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

Part of the calculus must be an estimation of Memorial Stadium’s revenue ceiling. In 2019, IU brought in less than $20M from football ticket sales. For reference, this is less than 1/3 of what OSU makes according to this IndyStar article:

IU football: Financial impact of a lost season would be ugly. Here's the math.

If the football season is a complete loss, the impact on Football Bowl Subdivision athletic departments will be catastrophic. IU would not be spared.

www.indystar.com

Memorial Stadium is about half of Ohio Stadium’s capacity, so it’s reasonable to estimate that IU could get about $30 million, or $10 million more than current, if we sold out every game at OSU prices. The realistic near term ceiling is probably a lot lower, maybe even less than $1M more than today. Even that’s not happening without an offense that can score and an offensive line that doesn’t endanger the long term physical well being of QBs.

I haven’t done the math on what the total offensive staff budget needs to be, but Dolson has. He also knows a lot more and has a lot more at stake on the outcome than me, Internet Yahoo. I have a lot of confidence that we’re going to see an overhaul of some sort.

less than $20 mil? probably way less.

please give the math on how you plan to get to $30 mil.

i think IU sets aside maybe 11,000 seats for IU students, and while i have no idea how many youth tickets get sold in a sell out, i'd think at least 5,000, so that leaves maybe 35,000 adult tics available per game.

so to get to $30 mil with all sellouts with zero discounted adult tickets, in 7 home game yrs you'd need over $120 per adult ticket on average, and in 6 home game yrs, you'd need over $140 per adult ticket on average.

and just to get to $20 mil, you're looking at averaging at least $80 per ticket for 7 home games, and $95 per for 6 home game yrs.

and again, that's with all sellouts, and no discounted adult tics.

and no i haven't factored in parking, but IU doesn't have a monopoly on parking.

all that said, the assistant coach lobby on the football forum is stronger than the big pharma lobby in DC.

anyone thinking we can just buy our way to success is living in a dream world, because if it was just a matter of money, we can never out spend most other B10 schools who have much bigger stadiums, and much bigger population bases to draw from.

out of 14 B10 schools, IU, PU, and Iowa, have the least population to draw from by far, and Illinois' market base isn't that great either, and while Indiana has twice the population as Iowa, much of Indiana's population is in the north and not realistically IU's market at all, and a big chunk of southern Indiana is along the Ohio river, and UK and Louisville are as much their market as IU, and Btown is a tough drive from much of that population as well.

and Indy has the Colts to compete with.

point being, the metrics just aren't there to think we can compete financially to just buy success.

or to keep it, if we could.

that said, success can be had other than just buying it.

 

[Walt542]

less than $20 mil? probably way less.

please give the math on how you plan to get to $30 mil.

i think IU sets aside maybe 11,000 seats for IU students, and while i have no idea how many youth tickets get sold in a sell out, i'd think at least 5,000, so that leaves maybe 35,000 adult tics available per game.

so to get to $30 mil with all sellouts with zero discounted adult tickets, in 7 home game yrs you'd need over $120 per adult ticket on average, and in 6 home game yrs, you'd need over $140 per adult ticket on average.

and just to get to $20 mil, you're looking at averaging at least $80 per ticket for 7 home games, and $95 per for 6 home game yrs.

and again, that's with all sellouts, and no discounted adult tics.

and no i haven't factored in parking, but IU doesn't have a monopoly on parking.

all that said, the assistant coach lobby on the football forum is stronger than the big pharma lobby in DC.

anyone thinking we can just buy our way to success is living in a dream world, because if it was just a matter of money, we can never out spend most other B10 schools who have much bigger stadiums, and much bigger population bases to draw from.

out of 14 B10 schools, IU, PU, and Iowa, have the least population to draw from by far, and Illinois' market base isn't that great either, and while Indiana has twice the population as Iowa, much of Indiana's population is in the north and not realistically IU's market at all, and a big chunk of southern Indiana is along the Ohio river, and UK and Louisville are as much their market as IU, and Btown is a tough drive from much of that population as well.

and Indy has the Colts to compete with.

point being, the metrics just aren't there to think we can compete financially to just buy success.

or to keep it, if we could.

that said, success can be had other than just buying it.

Good points. I am hoping the new I 69 to Evansville will eventually draw more fans to IU from that area. Not a great deal but would surely help. It would be nice for IU to get a few good recruits from that area.

 

[destewart]

less than $20 mil? probably way less.

please give the math on how you plan to get to $30 mil.

i think IU sets aside maybe 11,000 seats for IU students, and while i have no idea how many youth tickets get sold in a sell out, i'd think at least 5,000, so that leaves maybe 35,000 adult tics available per game.

so to get to $30 mil with all sellouts with zero discounted adult tickets, in 7 home game yrs you'd need over $120 per adult ticket on average, and in 6 home game yrs, you'd need over $140 per adult ticket on average.

and just to get to $20 mil, you're looking at averaging at least $80 per ticket for 7 home games, and $95 per for 6 home game yrs.

and again, that's with all sellouts, and no discounted adult tics.

and no i haven't factored in parking, but IU doesn't have a monopoly on parking.

all that said, the assistant coach lobby on the football forum is stronger than the big pharma lobby in DC.

anyone thinking we can just buy our way to success is living in a dream world, because if it was just a matter of money, we can never out spend most other B10 schools who have much bigger stadiums, and much bigger population bases to draw from.

out of 14 B10 schools, IU, PU, and Iowa, have the least population to draw from by far, and Illinois' market base isn't that great either, and while Indiana has twice the population as Iowa, much of Indiana's population is in the north and not realistically IU's market at all, and a big chunk of southern Indiana is along the Ohio river, and UK and Louisville are as much their market as IU, and Btown is a tough drive from much of that population as well.

and Indy has the Colts to compete with.

point being, the metrics just aren't there to think we can compete financially to just buy success.

or to keep it, if we could.

that said, success can be had other than just buying it.

Nobody is going to pay $120 for a ticket on a bench seat regardless of location. Those are approaching club seat ticket prices. I pay $3500 to have four club seat tickets. Chair backs which includes access to the club and a meal and unlimited beverages and snacks. I also pay a $2500 John Purdue Club annual fee for the right to buy those tickets and basketball tickets.

 

[indy1203]

Part of the calculus must be an estimation of Memorial Stadium’s revenue ceiling. In 2019, IU brought in less than $20M from football ticket sales. For reference, this is less than 1/3 of what OSU makes according to this IndyStar article:

IU football: Financial impact of a lost season would be ugly. Here's the math.

If the football season is a complete loss, the impact on Football Bowl Subdivision athletic departments will be catastrophic. IU would not be spared.

www.indystar.com

Memorial Stadium is about half of Ohio Stadium’s capacity, so it’s reasonable to estimate that IU could get about $30 million, or $10 million more than current, if we sold out every game at OSU prices. The realistic near term ceiling is probably a lot lower, maybe even less than $1M more than today. Even that’s not happening without an offense that can score and an offensive line that doesn’t endanger the long term physical well being of QBs.

I haven’t done the math on what the total offensive staff budget needs to be, but Dolson has. He also knows a lot more and has a lot more at stake on the outcome than me, Internet Yahoo. I have a lot of confidence that we’re going to see an overhaul of some sort.

One would think the Athletic Dept. would not go out
of their way to piss off long time season ticket holders
by way of the season ticket renewal process, but they do.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

For what it's worth I live in NE Indiana. I find the drive to MS a little easier than the drive to RA. Not a big deal just my 2 cents worth. Go HOOSIERS!!

 

[Crusty The Baker]

less than $20 mil? probably way less.

please give the math on how you plan to get to $30 mil.

i think IU sets aside maybe 11,000 seats for IU students, and while i have no idea how many youth tickets get sold in a sell out, i'd think at least 5,000, so that leaves maybe 35,000 adult tics available per game.

so to get to $30 mil with all sellouts with zero discounted adult tickets, in 7 home game yrs you'd need over $120 per adult ticket on average, and in 6 home game yrs, you'd need over $140 per adult ticket on average.

and just to get to $20 mil, you're looking at averaging at least $80 per ticket for 7 home games, and $95 per for 6 home game yrs.

and again, that's with all sellouts, and no discounted adult tics.

and no i haven't factored in parking, but IU doesn't have a monopoly on parking.

all that said, the assistant coach lobby on the football forum is stronger than the big pharma lobby in DC.

anyone thinking we can just buy our way to success is living in a dream world, because if it was just a matter of money, we can never out spend most other B10 schools who have much bigger stadiums, and much bigger population bases to draw from.

out of 14 B10 schools, IU, PU, and Iowa, have the least population to draw from by far, and Illinois' market base isn't that great either, and while Indiana has twice the population as Iowa, much of Indiana's population is in the north and not realistically IU's market at all, and a big chunk of southern Indiana is along the Ohio river, and UK and Louisville are as much their market as IU, and Btown is a tough drive from much of that population as well.

and Indy has the Colts to compete with.

point being, the metrics just aren't there to think we can compete financially to just buy success.

or to keep it, if we could.

that said, success can be had other than just buying it.

USA Today has financial data for all public NCAA schools. Here’s IU’s.

Indiana Revenue and Finances - USA TODAY

How much does the Indiana college athletic program make each year? See their entire revenue picture, including ticket sales and expenses.

sports.usatoday.com

2020 ticket revenue was $17.6M. I showed my math and assumptions to get to $30M in the post you quoted. Where I made an error is I was treating that as all football revenue, but I used OSU’s ticket revenue of $66M, so the $30M ceiling is a decent high end estimate.

Winning championships in college athletics is strongly correlated to money. These games are simple. Collect coaching talent, which attracts player talent, build buildings to allow them to express their talent. The most talented players want to be pros. There are other ways of keeping talented people together than money. If IU is going to sustain championship level performance in football and men’s basketball, it will need talented coaching staffs that stick around. The facilities are there now.

You don’t have to take my word for it. Look at the the schools that have won championships in D1 football and men’s basketball and look at their athletic department revenues. It would be interesting to show poll rankings next to athletic department revenue rankings, kinda like how gambling odds have snuck into broadcasts. But that would pull back the curtain a bit much. D1 and pro sports are completely driven by money. The rest of stories sports media and schools promote is advertising and propaganda.

The reason why I love upsets is because it’s nice to see those with a lot of money and power lose once in a while. That’s why everyone loves it when OSU loses. The truth is, though, they have a lot of talent because they have access to enormous resources. In the current situation, money wins championships and money influences the rules and structures, not unlike the laws of our OSU is #2 at $223.9M. IU is #26 at $121.2M.

Big Ten revenue rankings are:

OSU
Michigan
PSU
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
MSU
Illinois
IU
Minnesota
Rutgers
Purdue
Maryland
(Northwestern doesn’t disclose)

That accumulation of money and power has so much influence on everything in our lives makes the world a sadder place for sure. It drives exploitation of people and environment. That’s a different thread.

 

[vesuvius13]

USA Today has financial data for all public NCAA schools. Here’s IU’s.

Indiana Revenue and Finances - USA TODAY

How much does the Indiana college athletic program make each year? See their entire revenue picture, including ticket sales and expenses.

sports.usatoday.com

2020 ticket revenue was $17.6M. I showed my math and assumptions to get to $30M in the post you quoted. Where I made an error is I was treating that as all football revenue, but I used OSU’s ticket revenue of $66M, so the $30M ceiling is a decent high end estimate.

Winning championships in college athletics is strongly correlated to money. These games are simple. Collect coaching talent, which attracts player talent, build buildings to allow them to express their talent. The most talented players want to be pros. There are other ways of keeping talented people together than money. If IU is going to sustain championship level performance in football and men’s basketball, it will need talented coaching staffs that stick around. The facilities are there now.

You don’t have to take my word for it. Look at the the schools that have won championships in D1 football and men’s basketball and look at their athletic department revenues. It would be interesting to show poll rankings next to athletic department revenue rankings, kinda like how gambling odds have snuck into broadcasts. But that would pull back the curtain a bit much. D1 and pro sports are completely driven by money. The rest of stories sports media and schools promote is advertising and propaganda.

The reason why I love upsets is because it’s nice to see those with a lot of money and power lose once in a while. That’s why everyone loves it when OSU loses. The truth is, though, they have a lot of talent because they have access to enormous resources. In the current situation, money wins championships and money influences the rules and structures, not unlike the laws of our OSU is #2 at $223.9M. IU is #26 at $121.2M.

Big Ten revenue rankings are:

OSU
Michigan
PSU
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
MSU
Illinois
IU
Minnesota
Rutgers
Purdue
Maryland
(Northwestern doesn’t disclose)

That accumulation of money and power has so much influence on everything in our lives makes the world a sadder place for sure. It drives exploitation of people and environment. That’s a different thread.

Coach Allen is developing a staff closer to having ones that can coach champions but like coach Hiller and maybe one or two others there is still work to do with the coaching staff. The 2022 class shows coach Allen's approach can bring in better players and if it continues IU will be closer to the top in the B1G.

 

[Crusty The Baker]

Coach Allen is developing a staff closer to having ones that can coach champions but like coach Hiller and maybe one or two others there is still work to do with the coaching staff. The 2022 class shows coach Allen's approach can bring in better players and if it continues IU will be closer to the top in the B1G.

Yes, I agree. I think he’s doing some experiments and is finding a way. I like that if people aren’t happy here or want to be somewhere else, he doesn’t make a big deal of it and moves on. I also suspect he puts a huge premium on how coaches relate with players. That’s the sort of intangible that can make a difference.

 

[hoosier roadtrips]

OSU does have tremendous resources and huge financial revenue, but the one thing they have had over the years that nobody else in our conference can match is a huge population and no other major competition. Cincinnati has improved greatly these last few years, but until recently I never felt UC was much of a threat to OSU.
There are a few other universities with only the major program in their state, but not the population to match Ohio. Those would be Nebraska, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

 

[vesuvius13]

OSU does have tremendous resources and huge financial revenue, but the one thing they have had over the years that nobody else in our conference can match is a huge population and no other major competition. Cincinnati has improved greatly these last few years, but until recently I never felt UC was much of a threat to OSU.
There are a few other universities with only the major program in their state, but not the population to match Ohio. Those would be Nebraska, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Yes, not many are in the boat IU is with three major football programs in state, the Colts, along with the poor history of IUFB to deal with. One reason I don't care how many Indiana players Iu brings in and I am happy for the out of state players they pull in. I just want IU to pull in the best players they can to have a winning team.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

less than $20 mil? probably way less.

please give the math on how you plan to get to $30 mil.

i think IU sets aside maybe 11,000 seats for IU students, and while i have no idea how many youth tickets get sold in a sell out, i'd think at least 5,000, so that leaves maybe 35,000 adult tics available per game.

so to get to $30 mil with all sellouts with zero discounted adult tickets, in 7 home game yrs you'd need over $120 per adult ticket on average, and in 6 home game yrs, you'd need over $140 per adult ticket on average.

and just to get to $20 mil, you're looking at averaging at least $80 per ticket for 7 home games, and $95 per for 6 home game yrs.

and again, that's with all sellouts, and no discounted adult tics.

and no i haven't factored in parking, but IU doesn't have a monopoly on parking.

all that said, the assistant coach lobby on the football forum is stronger than the big pharma lobby in DC.

anyone thinking we can just buy our way to success is living in a dream world, because if it was just a matter of money, we can never out spend most other B10 schools who have much bigger stadiums, and much bigger population bases to draw from.

out of 14 B10 schools, IU, PU, and Iowa, have the least population to draw from by far, and Illinois' market base isn't that great either, and while Indiana has twice the population as Iowa, much of Indiana's population is in the north and not realistically IU's market at all, and a big chunk of southern Indiana is along the Ohio river, and UK and Louisville are as much their market as IU, and Btown is a tough drive from much of that population as well.

and Indy has the Colts to compete with.

point being, the metrics just aren't there to think we can compete financially to just buy success.

or to keep it, if we could.

that said, success can be had other than just buying it.

$25MM is about the best I can see with a sold out 7 game season.

35K @ $80
11K @ $15 students
5K @ $15 youth
$1MM Parking
$2.5MM in beer alone.
Hotdogs and cokes $1MM

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

IU needs to start replacing the bench seats with modern, more comfortable seating, but the problem is leg room.

While the NEZ and SEZ and underground projects were nice, they DELAYED the REAL need - a new stadium, with all modern amenities, at about a 40,000 seat level, plus luxury boxes.

IU will never compete with 90,000 seat stadiums, but they CAN dedicate themselves to making the fan experience the best in the Big Ten.

Can.
Probably won’t.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

IU needs to start replacing the bench seats with modern, more comfortable seating, but the problem is leg room.

While the NEZ and SEZ and underground projects were nice, they DELAYED the REAL need - a new stadium, with all modern amenities, at about a 40,000 seat level, plus luxury boxes.

IU will never compete with 90,000 seat stadiums, but they CAN dedicate themselves to making the fan experience the best in the Big Ten.

Can.
Probably won’t.

IU's stadium is fabulous.

perhaps you can pay IU to let you set up your barcalounger in one of the wheelchair spaces.

that said, the royal boxes at the new south end look like great seats, though i've never been in them.

 

[Upset Alert]

The main problem is, IU has and will always go cheap on football coaches and assistants. The money is always there which was such a surprise Glass didn't conduct a head coaching search, but now we're stuck with a defensive rah rah coach, who has no clue with time management or to keep any assistant coaches around.

Totally inexcusable to let last year's team fold like it did and there's really no one else to blame but Allen. Offense will always be an issue if he's our guy and he's no Bill Mallory to overcome a mediocre offense. I'll say it again for the umpteenth time when he was still at Fla Atlantic, had we offered Lane Kiffin and somehow he accepted while keeping Allen as a DC who knows what might've happened.

 

[Crusty The Baker]

The main problem is, IU has and will always go cheap on football coaches and assistants. The money is always there which was such a surprise Glass didn't conduct a head coaching search, but now we're stuck with a defensive rah rah coach, who has no clue with time management or to keep any assistant coaches around.

Totally inexcusable to let last year's team fold like it did and there's really no one else to blame but Allen. Offense will always be an issue if he's our guy and he's no Bill Mallory to overcome a mediocre offense. I'll say it again for the umpteenth time when he was still at Fla Atlantic, had we offered Lane Kiffin and somehow he accepted while keeping Allen as a DC who knows what might've happened.

According to the financial records in the USA Today database linked above, the money hasn’t been there. And the fact that the athletic department was $25 million short in 2021 reveals how tenuous the situation is there.

Re: Lane Kiffin, he’s a mover looking for a bigger payout. Also, who knows how his personality would have mixed with Allen’s. At any rate, speculation about things that didn’t happen is pointless.

 

[Walt542]

IU needs to start replacing the bench seats with modern, more comfortable seating, but the problem is leg room.

While the NEZ and SEZ and underground projects were nice, they DELAYED the REAL need - a new stadium, with all modern amenities, at about a 40,000 seat level, plus luxury boxes.

IU will never compete with 90,000 seat stadiums, but they CAN dedicate themselves to making the fan experience the best in the Big Ten.

Can.
Probably won’t.

I don’t believe the is any chance they build a new stadium. With all the investment over the last two decades we are stuck with this one for a long time.

 

[David124]

Strength coaches David Ballou and Dr. Matt Rhea were given significant raises after multiple NFL teams tried to hire them away payday loan in ontario . Ballou’s salary jumped from $216,000 to $400,000, while Rhea’s increased from $150,000 to $375,000.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

According to the financial records in the USA Today database linked above, the money hasn’t been there. And the fact that the athletic department was $25 million short in 2021 reveals how tenuous the situation is there.

Re: Lane Kiffin, he’s a mover looking for a bigger payout. Also, who knows how his personality would have mixed with Allen’s. At any rate, speculation about things that didn’t happen is pointless.

Agreed. Put me down for a NO with LK. He's the model for ownership of a Jack-n-apes past.
I kinda like MS now it's been brought more up to date and fan functional.