Minutes logged this year.

[Cavanagh]

I'm bored before I have to drive all over this great state later today. Here is my mins ranking this year:
X
TJD
Scoop
Race
JHS
JG
Kopp
Malik
Galloway
Banks
Leal
Gunn
Duncomb

 

[.Gerdis]

We lose 58.6 MPG:
Stewart 24.4
Phin. 18.3
Lander 8.8
durr. 7.1

the players that most here seem to think/HOPE will see significant upticks are JG (only 12.6 last year), and Bates (14.5).

I’ll take a stab at it. estimated minutes first with last years In parentheses:

TJD. 32 (32.3)
X. 30 (edit-27.7)
Race. 25 (28.5)
Kopp. 20 (25.1)
Galloway 21 (20.8). Assumes healthy
Hood 17 (Rob was 18.3)
Bates. 16 (14.5)
JG. 16 (12.6)
Banks / Gunn / Malik 17 total
Leal 6 (10.2)
duncomb / Childress 0

comment: Really , really difficult to do this and get the total to 200. Bates and JG seem low at 16 (I want them at 18), the three frosh at 17 also seems low.

otoh, we lose big minutes from Parker. Which leads me to ask:
Shouldn’t Trey see a decent bump?
Shouldn’t Hood expect similar to Rob 18?
I have Leal at 6, seems low … I mean Lander almost got 9 last year.
I know people will say I have Kopp too high, but I think he somehow gets more.
Obviously Childress/Duncomb can’t be zero, but I had to do it to get to 200.

Too much talent - too few minutes. This was tough to do! Obviously injuries can change things.

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[B1G_Fan]

We lose 58.6 MPG:
Stewart 24.4
Phin. 18.3
Lander 8.8
durr. 7.1

the players that most here seem to think/HOPE will see significant upticks are JG (only 12.6 last year), and Bates (14.5).

I’ll take a stab at it. estimated minutes first with last years In parentheses:

TJD. 32 (32.3)
X. 30 (edit-27.7)
Race. 25 (28.5)
Kopp. 20 (25.1)
Galloway 21 (20.8). Assumes healthy
Hood 17 (Rob was 18.3)
Bates. 16 (14.5)
JG. 16 (12.6)
Banks / Gunn / Malik 17 total
Leal 6 (10.2)
duncomb / Childress 0

comment: Really , really difficult to do this and get the total to 200. Bates and JG seem low at 16 (I want them at 18), the three frosh at 17 also seems low.

otoh, we lose big minutes from Parker. Which leads me to ask:
Shouldn’t Trey see a decent bump?
Shouldn’t Hood expect similar to Rob 18?
I have Leal at 6, seems low … I mean Lander almost got 9 last year.
I know people will say I have Kopp too high, but I think he somehow gets more.
Obviously Childress/Duncomb can’t be zero, but I had to do it to get to 200.

Too much talent - too few minutes. This was tough to do! Obviously injuries can change things.

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1. You think we are playing 12 guys?

2. Galloway won’t have close to 21 minutes barring injuries in front of him.



XJ: 30
Bates: 25
JHS: 25
Race: 25
TJD: 32

Malik: 15
Kopp: 20
JG: 15
Galloway: 13

Out of rotation:
Banks
Gunn
Leal
Duncomb

 

[IUNorth]

We lose 58.6 MPG:
Stewart 24.4
Phin. 18.3
Lander 8.8
durr. 7.1

the players that most here seem to think/HOPE will see significant upticks are JG (only 12.6 last year), and Bates (14.5).

I’ll take a stab at it. estimated minutes first with last years In parentheses:

TJD. 32 (32.3)
X. 30 (edit-27.7)
Race. 25 (28.5)
Kopp. 20 (25.1)
Galloway 21 (20.8). Assumes healthy
Hood 17 (Rob was 18.3)
Bates. 16 (14.5)
JG. 16 (12.6)
Banks / Gunn / Malik 17 total
Leal 6 (10.2)
duncomb / Childress 0

comment: Really , really difficult to do this and get the total to 200. Bates and JG seem low at 16 (I want them at 18), the three frosh at 17 also seems low.

otoh, we lose big minutes from Parker. Which leads me to ask:
Shouldn’t Trey see a decent bump?
Shouldn’t Hood expect similar to Rob 18?
I have Leal at 6, seems low … I mean Lander almost got 9 last year.
I know people will say I have Kopp too high, but I think he somehow gets more.
Obviously Childress/Duncomb can’t be zero, but I had to do it to get to 200.

Too much talent - too few minutes. This was tough to do! Obviously injuries can change things.

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I think its obvious that X and TJD will lead the team in minutes, both right around 30 minutes a game.

Outside of that...who knows at this point? I HOPE...the 4 freshman, Bates and Geronimo, end up taking a large chunk of the rest of the minutes.

As much as I love Race...and realistically know he's going to play 25 plus minutes...I think our ceiling is better if some of the more diverse and talented younger kids eat into his minutes.

And don't get me started on Kopp's minutes. I know, I know, I know...he started and played a ton of minutes last year for a reason. In all likelihood, he'll play big minutes again this year...that doesn't mean that's what IU basketball needs right now to make a big step forward. Same with Galloway.

If our top minutes EARNERS end up being X, TJD, Race, the 4 frosh, and Bates and Geronimo...that means our program has taken a much needed step forward, likely won a B10 title, and could be a final four contender at the end of the season. We can still be really good with Kopp and Galloway playing 20 plus minutes, and with Race playing 25-30. But not as good as we could be, and it wouldn't be as big a step forward overall for our program.

 

[.Gerdis]

1. You think we are playing 12 guys?

2. Galloway won’t have close to 21 minutes barring injuries in front of him.



XJ: 30
Bates: 25
JHS: 25
Race: 25
TJD: 32

Malik: 15
Kopp: 20
JG: 15
Galloway: 13

Out of rotation:
Banks
Gunn
Leal
Duncomb

1. You think we are playing 12 guys?

2. Galloway won’t have close to 21 minutes barring injuries in front of him.



XJ: 30
Bates: 25
JHS: 25
Race: 25
TJD: 32

Malik: 15
Kopp: 20
JG: 15
Galloway: 13

Out of rotation:
Banks
Gunn
Leal
Duncomb

Last year we “played “ 14 guys. Those out of rotation players will still average something (unless redshirted). Lander and Leal combined for 20 minutes last season, but they weren’t exactly rotation players.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Last year we “played “ 14 guys. Those out of rotation players will still average something (unless redshirted). Lander and Leal combined for 20 minutes last season, but they weren’t exactly rotation players.

They only played against inferior competition or due to injuries. Cav clearly meant this to be a mpg estimate of those in the rotation.

 

[hookyIU1990]

They only played against inferior competition or due to injuries. Cav clearly meant this to be a mpg estimate of those in the rotation.

So Cav thinks the rotation will be 13 guys?

He listed 13 guys in the OP.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

They only played against inferior competition or due to injuries. Cav clearly meant this to be a mpg estimate of those in the rotation.

I just wonder if Woody has finally gotten past Kopp as a starter. i certainly hope so.

 

[8Stars5Banners]

I think most here want Kopp to play less minutes because he went to Northwestern and is obviously smarter than 99% of us... just a theory

 

[.Gerdis]

I think most here want Kopp to play less minutes because he went to Northwestern and is obviously smarter than 99% of us... just a theory

Or 99% of the posters think they are smarter than our coach.

 

[IUNorth]

Or 99% of the posters think they are smarter than our coach.

Not sure if this makes me a 1% er or not...I just want others to beat him out. If he's starting all year, we aren't likely going to be as good as we could/should be.

 

[B1G_Fan]

So Cav thinks the rotation will be 13 guys?

He listed 13 guys in the OP.

He listed an order, not specific minutes.

 

[B1G_Fan]

I just wonder if Woody has finally gotten past Kopp as a starter. i certainly hope so.

I hope so too. It would indicate Bates has taken a jump, and JHS is as advertised.

 

[hookyIU1990]

He listed an order, not specific minutes.

He said

Here is my mins ranking this year:

He then proceeded to list every scholarship player from most minutes to least minutes.

 

[.Gerdis]

Not sure if this makes me a 1% er or not...I just want others to beat him out. If he's starting all year, we aren't likely going to be as good as we could/should be.

I get it. I wasn’t referring to predictions, but more so the in season comments . Last year people seemed to think there was no reason for Kopp (or Parker) to be playing.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

I think its obvious that X and TJD will lead the team in minutes, both right around 30 minutes a game.

Outside of that...who knows at this point? I HOPE...the 4 freshman, Bates and Geronimo, end up taking a large chunk of the rest of the minutes.

As much as I love Race...and realistically know he's going to play 25 plus minutes...I think our ceiling is better if some of the more diverse and talented younger kids eat into his minutes.

And don't get me started on Kopp's minutes. I know, I know, I know...he started and played a ton of minutes last year for a reason. In all likelihood, he'll play big minutes again this year...that doesn't mean that's what IU basketball needs right now to make a big step forward. Same with Galloway.

If our top minutes EARNERS end up being X, TJD, Race, the 4 frosh, and Bates and Geronimo...that means our program has taken a much needed step forward, likely won a B10 title, and could be a final four contender at the end of the season. We can still be really good with Kopp and Galloway playing 20 plus minutes, and with Race playing 25-30. But not as good as we could be, and it wouldn't be as big a step forward overall for our program.

If he hits those outside shots like he was at the end of the year he will play a lot of minutes.

 

[B1G_Fan]

He said

He then proceeded to list every scholarship player from most minutes to least minutes.

And least minutes could easily be 0. If you look at my rankings, I too listed all 13 players however, I have 4 of them with 0 mpg.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

And least minutes could easily be 0. If you look at my rankings, I too listed all 13 players however, I have 4 of them with 0 mpg.

The only way all 4 players average 0 minutes a game is if they all transfer, which isn't going to happen.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

He said

He then proceeded to list every scholarship player from most minutes to least minutes.

Not sure what there is to not understand. Every player that dresses will have an avg min per game even if they play 5 min the entire season. Stack ranking made perfect sense to me, and btw, he ranked then just about the way I would. Kopp is the wildcard.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Not sure what there is to not understand. Every player that dresses will have an avg min per game even if they play 5 min the entire season. Stack ranking made perfect sense to me, and btw, he ranked then just about the way I would. Kopp is the wildcard.

Not sure if your argument is with me or if you're agreeing with me.

 

[JurkinItAndCreaningMyPants]

Long time listener, first time caller. I'll give this a shot.

Hoping to see X or JHS at the point 100% of the time. Whenever one is on the bench, Bates can hopefully help create at the 2. Geronimo spending some time at the 3 and the 4.

Gunn/Leal/Duncomb will of course average some minutes too, but barring injury/foul trouble I don't think they would see the floor if we're trying to do an optimal minutes allocation for a big game.

Starters:
X - 30
JHS - 25
Geronimo - 20
Race - 20
TJD - 35

Bench:
Bates - 25
Malik - 20
Banks - 10
Kopp/Galloway - 15

 

[IUNorth]

I get it. I wasn’t referring to predictions, but more so the in season comments . Last year people seemed to think there was no reason for Kopp (or Parker) to be playing.

I probably said that from time to time. Not sure.

But count me as one that was frustrated at watching our team play mediocre basketball...knowing that we had 3 All conference level players on the floor...and knowing we had much better talent on the bench.

I wasn't at the practices...I know Kopp and Stewart were more reliably solid defensively than Bates and Geronimo were...but as the season wore on, watching guys like Ivey, Davis, and the OSU frosh shred Kopp and Stewart, possession after possession coming down the stretch in winnable games...it was frustrating knowing we had some guys on the bench that might have been capable of making a play or two to help our other 3 guys out. Obviously those 3 guys I mentioned were absolute studs, and we didn't have anyone at their level...but I like our chances throwing Tamar or Jordan at them, and hoping their skill and/or athleticism can make a couple plays for them. Kopp and Stewart were basically unathletic fence posts against those guys. And everyone knew that's what they'd be.

 

[T.M.P.]

Core
30 - TJD
25 - XJ
25 - RT
25 - JHS
25 - TB
20 - JG
20 - MK
15 - MR
15 - TG

Spot minutes for the rest.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

I'm bored before I have to drive all over this great state later today. Here is my mins ranking this year:
X
TJD
Scoop
Race
JHS
JG
Kopp
Malik
Galloway
Banks
Leal
Gunn
Duncomb

who the f is Scoop?

 

[T.M.P.]

who the f is Scoop?

Anthony Leal

 

[kmathum]

I'm bored before I have to drive all over this great state later today. Here is my mins ranking this year:
X
TJD
Scoop
Race
JHS
JG
Kopp
Malik
Galloway
Banks
Leal
Gunn
Duncomb

banks and gunn at 10 and 12? man i hope not.

 

[Coach Geez]

The only way all 4 players average 0 minutes a game is if they all transfer, which isn't going to happen.

Correct or unless they redshirt.

Banks
Gunn
Leal
Duncomb

May not be in the rotation but they will average minutes unless they redshirt. Have a feeling Banks may end up in the rotation when all said and done.

 

[Coach Geez]

I probably said that from time to time. Not sure.

But count me as one that was frustrated at watching our team play mediocre basketball...knowing that we had 3 All conference level players on the floor...and knowing we had much better talent on the bench.

I wasn't at the practices...I know Kopp and Stewart were more reliably solid defensively than Bates and Geronimo were...but as the season wore on, watching guys like Ivey, Davis, and the OSU frosh shred Kopp and Stewart, possession after possession coming down the stretch in winnable games...it was frustrating knowing we had some guys on the bench that might have been capable of making a play or two to help our other 3 guys out. Obviously those 3 guys I mentioned were absolute studs, and we didn't have anyone at their level...but I like our chances throwing Tamar or Jordan at them, and hoping their skill and/or athleticism can make a couple plays for them. Kopp and Stewart were basically unathletic fence posts against those guys. And everyone knew that's what they'd be.

Kopp was a better perimeter defender than both Bates and Geronimo last year. By a lot.

Easy to say those two have better defensive upside given they both are entirely more athletic than Kopp, but they need to show first.

 

[Jssanto]

1. You think we are playing 12 guys?

2. Galloway won’t have close to 21 minutes barring injuries in front of him.



XJ: 30
Bates: 25
JHS: 25
Race: 25
TJD: 32

Malik: 15
Kopp: 20
JG: 15
Galloway: 13

Out of rotation:
Banks
Gunn
Leal
Duncomb

I think Trey’s minutes will be a function of if
1. How his outside shot has improved
2. What other guard excels and has to get minutes
3. As you point out, injuries.
His toughness, effort, grit, etc will be hard to keep off the court.

 

[B1G_Fan]

The only way all 4 players average 0 minutes a game is if they all transfer, which isn't going to happen.

If you are going to be literal and count pointless minutes, sure. Four guys will be out of the rotation though.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Correct or unless they redshirt.

Banks
Gunn
Leal
Duncomb

May not be in the rotation but they will average minutes unless they redshirt. Have a feeling Banks may end up in the rotation when all said and done.

Don’t forget to include the walk-ons then. They will “average” > 0 mpg.

 

[B1G_Fan]

I think Trey’s minutes will be a function of if
1. How his outside shot has improved
2. What other guard excels and has to get minutes
3. As you point out, injuries.
His toughness, effort, grit, etc will be hard to keep off the court.

With him missing the entire off-season, I’m not expecting much improvement. He really needed to focus on completely changing his shooting form this off-season.

 

[IUNorth]

Kopp was a better perimeter defender than both Bates and Geronimo last year. By a lot.

Easy to say those two have better defensive upside given they both are entirely more athletic than Kopp, but they need to show first.

More reliable in their positioning, better overall help defenders, certainly. Both were quite obviously going to get scored on, literally every possession though by high end opposing wings. Tell Bates and/or Geronimo to just go stop Johnny Davis or Branham, and they probably would have at least gotten a couple stops. Which could have ended up being the difference.

As it was, we watched those guys literally beat us single handedly coming down the stretch, being guarded largely by our reliably mediocre starting wing defenders.

 

[Coach Geez]

I think Trey’s minutes will be a function of if
1. How his outside shot has improved
2. What other guard excels and has to get minutes
3. As you point out, injuries.
His toughness, effort, grit, etc will be hard to keep off the court.

Primarily point #2, assuming he isn’t physically able to play. Galloway will get the nod over someone like Bates until Bates improves drastically in all facets of the game, primarily due to the intangibles you listed.

 

[Coach Geez]

More reliable in their positioning, better overall help defenders, certainly. Both were quite obviously going to get scored on, literally every possession though by high end opposing wings. Tell Bates and/or Geronimo to just go stop Johnny Davis or Branham, and they probably would have at least gotten a couple stops. Which could have ended up being the difference.

As it was, we watched those guys literally beat us single handedly coming down the stretch, being guarded largely by our reliably mediocre starting wing defenders.

Says a lot when those reliably mediocre starting wings are playing nearly double the minutes of high potential, underclassmen.

 

[Jssanto]

With him missing the entire off-season, I’m not expecting much improvement. He really needed to focus on completely changing his shooting form this off-season.

Good point. Absence of an off season May hurt him more than if it happened to someone else.

 

[iubud]

1. You think we are playing 12 guys?

2. Galloway won’t have close to 21 minutes barring injuries in front of him.



XJ: 30
Bates: 25
JHS: 25
Race: 25
TJD: 32

Malik: 15
Kopp: 20
JG: 15
Galloway: 13

Out of rotation:
Banks
Gunn
Leal
Duncomb

I would expect to go ten deep.

I'm thinking Banks will see some playing time and Kopp with less than 20/game. I agree Gunn, Leal and Duncomb won't play once the B10 schedule starts. It would be good to have TJD's minutes a little lower to ward off the aches and pains that nag at every player late in the season.

 

[TR32]

We lose 58.6 MPG:
Stewart 24.4
Phin. 18.3
Lander 8.8
durr. 7.1

the players that most here seem to think/HOPE will see significant upticks are JG (only 12.6 last year), and Bates (14.5).

I’ll take a stab at it. estimated minutes first with last years In parentheses:

TJD. 32 (32.3)
X. 30 (edit-27.7)
Race. 25 (28.5)
Kopp. 20 (25.1)
Galloway 21 (20.8). Assumes healthy
Hood 17 (Rob was 18.3)
Bates. 16 (14.5)
JG. 16 (12.6)
Banks / Gunn / Malik 17 total
Leal 6 (10.2)
duncomb / Childress 0

comment: Really , really difficult to do this and get the total to 200. Bates and JG seem low at 16 (I want them at 18), the three frosh at 17 also seems low.

otoh, we lose big minutes from Parker. Which leads me to ask:
Shouldn’t Trey see a decent bump?
Shouldn’t Hood expect similar to Rob 18?
I have Leal at 6, seems low … I mean Lander almost got 9 last year.
I know people will say I have Kopp too high, but I think he somehow gets more.
Obviously Childress/Duncomb can’t be zero, but I had to do it to get to 200.

Too much talent - too few minutes. This was tough to do! Obviously injuries can change things.

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Nice work on your post. Lots of talent but remember, not a lot of shooters. Whomever scratches at 40% from deep will see a jump in minutes. And that could be no one or one of several.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Nice work on your post. Lots of talent but remember, not a lot of shooters. Whomever scratches at 40% from deep will see a jump in minutes. And that could be no one or one of several.

If they can be in position on defense. Woody makes no exceptions on defense. He’s already shown everyone has the green light to shoot. Hopefully one of them can be 40%.

 

[bawlmer]

If Duncomb can't get minutes I'm worried TJD will wear down in Feb. Got to have a solid back-up at the 5.