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Merry Christmas, IU football fans

The more I think about IU being trashed the way it is, I both understand it, AND get more and more mad the more I hear it.

The understanding part comes from the undeniable fact that when we played against CFP/Elite level teams, we didn't handle it well. So, I think that 100% makes IU vulnerable to scrutiny, and for their inclusion in the CFP to be a conversation.

Where they lose me is the sudden shift away from the importance of winning AND losing the games on your schedule. Basically every single year, up until this year, teams that lost games like Bama did at Vandy and at Oklahoma, and the losses Ole Miss had...that's 100% disqualifying. Also...basically not even acknowledging how the rest of the games went after IU's game on Friday night. Pretty much every single one of the ESPN analysts blasted IU initially, then just lumped the entire thing together with we picked the wrong teams, its hard to win on the road against top 10 teams, etc... There was no backtracking back to include IU back in with the likes of SMU, Tennessee, Bama, Miami, etc...

Herbstreit...you pompous a-hole... its not OBVIOUS IU didn't belong. Especially after watching SMU and Tennessee struggle even more than IU did. YOU were the one that was making the argument that the Oklahoma loss for Bama was basically inexcusable. How was that loss not 100% worse than IU losing by a similar margin at ND? And what about the loss at Vandy? What about the loss to a 2 loss SEC team, that got destroyed by a 2 loss B10 team? For all of that to happen, a day or so in between to think about it...and to THEN go back in and focus on Indiana...??

Herbstreit can go to hell. Finebaum is who he is. He's from an SEC school, he's an SEC specific analyst...I get it. He's frustrating, and sounds dumb a lot of the time from his bias. Herbstreit is supposed to be above that. So to lock in on Indiana, and then keep going in on Indiana after there's tons of evidence his initial take was probably over the top... He lost a ton of credibility.

So... I do think IU, and Cignetti, played their way in to a discussion about them not belonging in the playoff. But they had to pick 7 at large teams. And Indiana's resume stacked up with all the teams being considered.
 
The team stacked up OK against Ohio State and Notre Dame.

The offense didn't.

Have to work on the tough yard plays for next year rather than the same ones you can run against weaker talent and weaker coaches and put up 66 or 70.

But that offense went 8 -1 in the B1G, so it stacked up well most of the season. The Michigan game they won but the offense showed it's first warts.
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The more I think about IU being trashed the way it is, I both understand it, AND get more and more mad the more I hear it.

The understanding part comes from the undeniable fact that when we played against CFP/Elite level teams, we didn't handle it well. So, I think that 100% makes IU vulnerable to scrutiny, and for their inclusion in the CFP to be a conversation.

Where they lose me is the sudden shift away from the importance of winning AND losing the games on your schedule. Basically every single year, up until this year, teams that lost games like Bama did at Vandy and at Oklahoma, and the losses Ole Miss had...that's 100% disqualifying. Also...basically not even acknowledging how the rest of the games went after IU's game on Friday night. Pretty much every single one of the ESPN analysts blasted IU initially, then just lumped the entire thing together with we picked the wrong teams, its hard to win on the road against top 10 teams, etc... There was no backtracking back to include IU back in with the likes of SMU, Tennessee, Bama, Miami, etc...

Herbstreit...you pompous a-hole... its not OBVIOUS IU didn't belong. Especially after watching SMU and Tennessee struggle even more than IU did. YOU were the one that was making the argument that the Oklahoma loss for Bama was basically inexcusable. How was that loss not 100% worse than IU losing by a similar margin at ND? And what about the loss at Vandy? What about the loss to a 2 loss SEC team, that got destroyed by a 2 loss B10 team? For all of that to happen, a day or so in between to think about it...and to THEN go back in and focus on Indiana...??

Herbstreit can go to hell. Finebaum is who he is. He's from an SEC school, he's an SEC specific analyst...I get it. He's frustrating, and sounds dumb a lot of the time from his bias. Herbstreit is supposed to be above that. So to lock in on Indiana, and then keep going in on Indiana after there's tons of evidence his initial take was probably over the top... He lost a ton of credibility.

So... I do think IU, and Cignetti, played their way in to a discussion about them not belonging in the playoff. But they had to pick 7 at large teams. And Indiana's resume stacked up with all the teams being considered.

Simply put Herbstreit is a Buckeye. An Ohio guy born and raised. Played for OSU when they weren't very special as part of the Cooper rebuild after Bruce. He's a legacy too as his dayed played for the Buckeyes. As such he's also seen firsthand how IU fandom gets behind a winner, and in this day and age of NIL/Portal he knows how the landscape is changing. He wants IU in what he sees as it's place, as a conference doormat, and he will use his media pulpit to prepetuate that bullshite.
 
Simply put Herbstreit is a Buckeye. An Ohio guy born and raised. Played for OSU when they weren't very special as part of the Cooper rebuild after Bruce. He's a legacy too as his dayed played for the Buckeyes. As such he's also seen firsthand how IU fandom gets behind a winner, and in this day and age of NIL/Portal he knows how the landscape is changing. He wants IU in what he sees as it's place, as a conference doormat, and he will use his media pulpit to prepetuate that bullshite.
Well said, although you could shorten it without losing anything with "He's a homer dick". Although my use of homer is also unnecessary.
 
Simply put Herbstreit is a Buckeye. An Ohio guy born and raised. Played for OSU when they weren't very special as part of the Cooper rebuild after Bruce. He's a legacy too as his dayed played for the Buckeyes. As such he's also seen firsthand how IU fandom gets behind a winner, and in this day and age of NIL/Portal he knows how the landscape is changing. He wants IU in what he sees as it's place, as a conference doormat, and he will use his media pulpit to prepetuate that bullshite.
Kinda interesting he had a falling out with Ohio State that keeps getting worse. Not sure who is to blame, OSU and their fans likely have some guilt here, as we know they’re pretty big a-holes.
 
Well said, although you could shorten it without losing anything with "He's a homer dick". Although my use of homer is also unnecessary.
He does not like IU. Idk if it was the Ohio State sucks comment or what but when gameday was there he never said anything positive that I remember and at the OSU game he actually predicted a blowout in the range of 40 or more. He could not wait for a reason to dog IU getting in.
 
He does not like IU. Idk if it was the Ohio State sucks comment or what but when gameday was there he never said anything positive that I remember and at the OSU game he actually predicted a blowout in the range of 40 or more. He could not wait for a reason to dog IU getting in.
It seems that’s true. Though there were a few weeks in there where he was advocating a little bit for IU.

I wonder if Cignetti did something to rub him the wrong way? There’s basically no justification for him to pick IU out of the 4 teams that got drilled crowd, and stay on them how he has.

IU, SMU, Tennessee, Bama, Miami, Ole Miss, South Carolina…they all had a case for the last 3 spots. The teams that got left out were the ones that had multiple bad losses. Not just losses against good teams. Bad losses against mediocre teams. The 3 that got in, didn’t have any bad losses.
 
It seems that’s true. Though there were a few weeks in there where he was advocating a little bit for IU.

I wonder if Cignetti did something to rub him the wrong way? There’s basically no justification for him to pick IU out of the 4 teams that got drilled crowd, and stay on them how he has.

IU, SMU, Tennessee, Bama, Miami, Ole Miss, South Carolina…they all had a case for the last 3 spots. The teams that got left out were the ones that had multiple bad losses. Not just losses against good teams. Bad losses against mediocre teams. The 3 that got in, didn’t have any bad losses.
If the committee had left out IU, it would have done some real damage to the sport. Fans of the next 11-1/10-2 upstart team would be concerned about being jumped for some big brand team (likely SEC) with more losses, but some impressive stretches. Taking away hope to make the playoff for teams outside the top-15 big brand programs would turn a lot of people off.

Kirk should know this when he gets into his condescending state of the sport spiels no one asked for. He's not doing CFB any favors by being miserable about the playoff and being selective in his critiques. He sucks.

And yes, IU stunk, and criticizing us is fine, but keep it fair. I didn't hear a peep at the Vols at OSU, or Bama at OK or Vandy, etc.

We may have some more blowouts with PSU/Boise (11.5 line) and TX/ASU (13.5).
 
The more I think about IU being trashed the way it is, I both understand it, AND get more and more mad the more I hear it.

The understanding part comes from the undeniable fact that when we played against CFP/Elite level teams, we didn't handle it well. So, I think that 100% makes IU vulnerable to scrutiny, and for their inclusion in the CFP to be a conversation.

Where they lose me is the sudden shift away from the importance of winning AND losing the games on your schedule. Basically every single year, up until this year, teams that lost games like Bama did at Vandy and at Oklahoma, and the losses Ole Miss had...that's 100% disqualifying. Also...basically not even acknowledging how the rest of the games went after IU's game on Friday night. Pretty much every single one of the ESPN analysts blasted IU initially, then just lumped the entire thing together with we picked the wrong teams, its hard to win on the road against top 10 teams, etc... There was no backtracking back to include IU back in with the likes of SMU, Tennessee, Bama, Miami, etc...

Herbstreit...you pompous a-hole... its not OBVIOUS IU didn't belong. Especially after watching SMU and Tennessee struggle even more than IU did. YOU were the one that was making the argument that the Oklahoma loss for Bama was basically inexcusable. How was that loss not 100% worse than IU losing by a similar margin at ND? And what about the loss at Vandy? What about the loss to a 2 loss SEC team, that got destroyed by a 2 loss B10 team? For all of that to happen, a day or so in between to think about it...and to THEN go back in and focus on Indiana...??

Herbstreit can go to hell. Finebaum is who he is. He's from an SEC school, he's an SEC specific analyst...I get it. He's frustrating, and sounds dumb a lot of the time from his bias. Herbstreit is supposed to be above that. So to lock in on Indiana, and then keep going in on Indiana after there's tons of evidence his initial take was probably over the top... He lost a ton of credibility.

So... I do think IU, and Cignetti, played their way in to a discussion about them not belonging in the playoff. But they had to pick 7 at large teams. And Indiana's resume stacked up with all the teams being considered.
Wait until the quarterfinal games coming up in 7 days. You are going to see more lopsided scores and that’s going to happen because that’s the history of the CFP. They’re hoping it doesn’t happen to prove their point about “belonging” but guess what? It won’t happen. And the semifinals? Same deal. That’s been the pattern in all but maybe 1 or 2 years that were anomalies.
 
Well said, although you could shorten it without losing anything with "He's a homer dick". Although my use of homer is also unnecessary.
It’s not the talking heads job to pick the field it’s their job to preview the game and keep all the bias crap to themselves.
You have a Michigan guy,an OSU guy and a Alabama guy all with their own agendas,that crap needs to stop.
 
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