Nah...did you watch the tourney? Defense ruled. If anything speed the game up
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No one’s saying you can’t continue to fall for it, we’re just wondering why you keep falling for it. You guys are like a bunch of George McFlys with a “Kick Me” sign on your back, and you’re surprised when you keep getting kicked and kicked and kicked. Fpeaugh must laugh his ass off every time you guys bite.Other than getting everything completely backwards, good post.
“We’re” as in all of us who don’t get twisted into knots everyday by Fpeaugh like you and the other posters who invite the abuse he heaps on you. We’re just curious why you keep coming back for more. He must crack up with laughter every time you guys get sucked in.
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He’s been a coach one year. He literally couldn’t have had any players drafted yet.
What really matters is recruits have faith in his ability to get them to the NBA. Please go cry in another corner.
When we heard the guy from Kansas say it was going to take cash, a car and a house to get Zion W, then shortly after, he commits to Duke, it tells you all you need to know about why big recruits go where they do.
Interesting set of posts from someone whose screen name is a weak attempt to copy TMP. How much rent does he pay to live in your head?
So, your premise is that feepaw is not a total loser who is not getting his lunch handed to him by multiple people, and that everyone should just leave him alone? You are way too invested in responses to feepaw to not be his spouse, or possibly, him. Pathetic.
Penny did coach at a top prep school for a few years which gave him the opportunity to make a lot of good contacts. That mixed with his celebrity has a lot to do with his recruiting success.
I agree with you in large part relative to many D1 teams today, but there are some exceptions. Most notable presently is RMK former assistant Chris Beard at Texas Tech. There are drive and dish sets, some one on one, but they run motion, mostly in pieces, and use a mix of offenses, depending on what they need versus a given opponent at a given time/situation, with a mix of players. Last year after going to the Elite 8, they lost 5 seniors, one to the first round of the draft. They got some more players, did the same stuff with a bit better defense and - Bingo! - NC game. They lose 5 or 6 again. Watch them next year. They have at least 7 new players and will do just what they've been doing and by season's end (or perhaps much earlier), they'll be a nightmare to play against. All playing old school mixed with "modern" play but the best defense in college basketball. Now, one of the guys leaving is thought to be the #6 draft pick. If so, that will be two lottery picks in two years from some old boring motion offense that doesn't have some hamburger AA showcasing himself at the expense of his team. Or said another way? Real basketball.
Thanks for your post.
This was a great breakdown of the current college basketball environment in terms of individual player showcasing.
I've always said there's nothing wrong with a player aspiring to make it to the NBA, but this is where I typically get in trouble. I'm of the opinion that if a 5-star, one-and-done type player has 100% of his focus on the NBA and nothing but the NBA, he should go play in one of the top European leagues for one year. That way he's getting paid, providing positive exposure to whichever club he signs with and preparing himself for the NBA in a professional environment.
I understand these kids are stuck in the one-and-done situation due to the NBA and NBA Players Association mandating the one year removed from high school eligibility standard. That's why I hope the league follows through on reverting back to the straight out of high school model in 2022.
Until then, I hope Archie Miller and his staff choose to avoid one-and-done players in favor of players who will be around for three or four years. That way, those players learn the culture, continuously develop and, most importantly, win!
I agree with everything here, with the exception of one little caveat in regards to the last paragraph. I think CAM pretty much had to go all in on recruiting RL, and needed him to sign as a win for the program. RL was very good for a one-handed freshman who had one foot out the door, but he wasn't the transcendent Zion-like player many had built him up to be.
I must be older "old school" than I realize. I'd combine two sets of rules.
1. You can go straight from high school IF and only IF you're 18 or older when you sign a pro contract.
2. D1 schools all get 13 scholarships.. They are numbered. If you award a scholarship it cannot be awarded again earlier than the date the awardee graduates, transfers or 5 years after the scholarship was awarded. (This is RMK's suggestion from years ago with my addition of the event of a transfer).
That's the practical approach. In my perfect impractical world, you couldn't be drafted or sign in the United States until your class graduates from college and are at least 21.
Would you apply the same rules to a scholarship computer genius who signs a huge contract with Microsoft and leaves school prior to turning 21?
Or, how about an actor signing a contract to do a big Hollywood movie?
NO, we're discussing NCAA eligibility. Let's both earnestly hope that the NCAA never gets into regulating non-athletic employment.
Actually, you said that players should have to be 18 to be signed to an NBA contract. That has nothing to do with the NCAA if they sign right out of high school.
I do agree with you here. The Romeo Langford situation was a complex one. The fan base would have revolted if he would have chosen not to recruit him. Signing Langford was a massive PR win for Miller. This isn't a knock on Langford, but I don't believe his one season in Bloomington did much to substantially advance the program.
I talked about both ages. The first one in #1 above was RMK's suggestion with my age limit added. The 21 age is my old, old school suggestion. Should we have - as public policy - people who cannot act on their own behalf and or engage in all aspects of society being professional players - but that's just old school me and I know that would never be enacted nor approved.
But just for kicks here, where is the line. We get a 15 year old 6-11 kid whose playing up in AAU against 18-19 year old players and setting the place on fire. Does society allow that kid to turn pro as a public policy matter?
That's an interesting thought, and one I hadn't previously heard. If that policy was ever implemented under the current one-and-done format, do you believe it would cause coaches/programs to steer clear of one-and-done players? I believe it would, unless it was a once-in-a-generation player such as Zion.
Sure why not? Christian Pulisic started his professional soccer career at the age of 16. This is not uncommon in Europe, nor is it a publicity stunt. At the age of 18 you can die for your country but can't play professional basketball seems a bit ridiculous to me.
I believe that was among RMK's original contemplations. It didn't prohibit players from going, but would have worked to the detriment of programs that signed a bunch of one year kids - they could do that, but they wouldn't have the scholarship for several years.
It is very common internationally in soccer and basketball, for that matter. You are correct.
The military analogy, however, is irrelevant, if you please, as all military service in the United States is voluntary at this time.
The professional drafts in the US complicate the issue. When pro teams simply can at any time approach and sign anyone they want to like European soccer clubs, it avoids the inherent uncertainty of drafts of possibly being left hung out to dry. Its that level of uncertainty that could cause kids to make huge mistakes.
I agree completely with point #2 and this is something the NCAA has the power to control, regardless of the NBA's rules. If a coach like Calipari or Coach K want to recruit 3 or 4 OADs, they do it at the risk or playing with 5 walk-ons two years down the road. College athletics should be played by kids who actually have an interest in earning a degree from the university they play for. It is not asking too much of kids who want your scholarship to commit to stay until they earn a degree.
For those who don't have that interest, let them go overseas or form a minor/developmental league while they wait for a chance at the NBA. I've never understood people bashing the NBA or the players' association for the current rule. It wouldn't be there if the NCAA wasn't complicit.
It's important to remember that the NCAA is simply a governing body ultimately controlled by the universities and their presidents. One-and-done players generate buzz for programs, sell tickets and increase the bottom lines of the athletic departments. That, in my mind, is why the NCAA is complicit.
If Romeo tears it up as a healthy rookie in the NBA, then we will never know how good a healthy Romeo could have been at IU.
Take on the rules of college baseball. Let a kid go pro out of high school. If they choose to play in college, they have to stay through their junior year.
IIRC, that is the current rules. It's not like getting an education is going to hurt anyone. The one and done hurts both sides. If a h.s. kid is remotely good enough to play pro ball, they should get their chance. But if they choose to go to college, make them hold up to their end of the bargain and stay and help their program. I feel it has worked out for college baseball.
I know their will be exceptions, but there needs to be some structure to protect the college sports that most of us love. I wish that NCAA would allow a kid back to amateur status, up to age 22, if they sign and realize that they have made a mistake and want to play college sports (as long as they are not being paid professionally while they are participating in college sports). I know this would be a red tape and paperwork nightmare and will not happen.
I have seen a lot of kids make bad choices to jump to the NFL and NBA when they were not ready and it would have been beneficial for them to return an extra year. (Think Marcus Oliver for one). Just my 2 cents worth.
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IIRC, that is the current rules. It's not like getting an education is going to hurt anyone. The one and done hurts both sides. If a h.s. kid is remotely good enough to play pro ball, they should get their chance. But if they choose to go to college, make them hold up to their end of the bargain and stay and help their program. I feel it has worked out for college baseball.
I know their will be exceptions, but there needs to be some structure to protect the college sports that most of us love. I wish that NCAA would allow a kid back to amateur status, up to age 22, if they sign and realize that they have made a mistake and want to play college sports (as long as they are not being paid professionally while they are participating in college sports). I know this would be a red tape and paperwork nightmare and will not happen.
I have seen a lot of kids make bad choices to jump to the NFL and NBA when they were not ready and it would have been beneficial for them to return an extra year. (Think Marcus Oliver for one). Just my 2 cents worth.
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I'm not really arguing with you (much), just playing devil's advocate a little. What right does anyone have to put rules in place to stop a 16 year old from making millions playing basketball, when even younger kids make millions in other areas (music, actiing, etc). Why are sports different? I'll say part of it is this illusion of the amateur status of athletes in college. The NCAA has to perpetuate this notion in order to continue their existence.
That all sounds well and good until the next 5 star recruit with NBA aspirations who is from IN. Then fans, probably you included although who knows, will criticize CAM non-stop for not going after the best in-state talent. I think IU will get after the very best talent they feel they can land. You gotta have talent and while it sounds reasonable to say "I'm going to favor 4 yr players" when you have a shot at a higher talent kid, most coaches are going to want him. It's like being single and saying "I don't want to go home with the hottest chick in the bar tonight... the ones that are 20 lbs overweight are better for me!" While that may or may not be true, when that super hottie gives you a wink, you're gonna go talk to her.
A question for posters who are against (or at least don’t like) one and done players. Do you hold the same thoughts for grad transfers, as well? If not, what’s your distinction between them?
We do for other entertainers (pop stars, movie stars, etc). And pro athletes are first and foremost entertainers. So why not?
Shorter feepaw: "Of course I have no evidence for this thing I called a fact."
Ok, I have to say this one made me laugh. Kudos. Hard to argue with that logic!
I was trying to think of the youngest professional athlete I could. I believe Jennifer Capriati was still 13 when she turned pro. Not arguing for or against anything, your post just made wonder.
Michael Andrew is a swimmer that went pro at age 14. The youngest to do so for that sport (at least in the US).
Interesting question.
First of all, I’m not against OAD’s. For the record, if a kid is good enough to go pro straight out of high school they should not have to wait a year.
But they do - which leaves the quandary of how to spend that year. Right now, a kid can go to Europe or play college. The kids that have one foot out the door before they even enter can hurt a team as much as help. If they’re going to spend a year in college IMHO they need to be “all in” - for their own good as well as the good of their team.
Grad Transfers might jump to a certain school just to improve their chance of getting drafted (Reid Travis comes to mind). But the difference to me is that they’ve put in the effort and earned that right to make such a decision.
Either way, I don’t blame the kids. The issue is a system rigged by adults that are more concerned about the dollar than the true educational mission of each institution.
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