Gabe Cupps committed to IU in November of 2021 before you even knew who Markus Burton was. Stop being an effing jackass.
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Exactly, that's what I thought.
By November 2021 Cupps had already lead his team to a state championship as a sophomore starting PG on a nationally ranked team. He'd later go on to win Ohio Mr. Basketball that season as a junior.
Markus Burton was an honorable-mention NIC selection after his sophomore season and was 5'9 145 lbs without a single D1 offer. Cupps had been committed to IU for nearly 9 months by the time Burton received his first college basketball offer from NAIA Bethel.
You're making a fool out of yourself just so you can whine some more. Typical and expected.
Man, I just get to where I think you deserve the benefit of a doubt and then this "crazy liberal environment" nonsense.
We have a Republican as a President. Six of nine trustees are appointed by Holcomb. The biggest, most noteworthy school within the university is KSOB which is hardly a bastion of liberalism.
Stick to sports....k?
Lol.
This literally brings me back to my original point. Had IU took a commitment from Markus Burton back in November 2021 who didn't even hold an NAIA offer at the time, you would have had aneurysm.
Not one single person has disputed that Markus Burton has a had a better freshman year than Cupps in the context of things (and its by design), but that's not at all what you said or implied. You went out of your way to bitch...again...using total hindsight.
You’re arguing with a complete meatball, save your breath. Too dumb to get into IU, too dumb to have a coherent discussion.
This place has become a complete cesspool and safe haven for petulant whiners and Purdue fans, and in some instances both; case in point with Smitty.
I’m too old for this crap.
Over and out
Too dumb to get into IU? lol sure ok. I love how the apologist join together to defend the cesspool of Whiners lol. The Iu program sucks, that’s not whining, it’s fact
And why does he care about IU politics other than to trash IU? He admittedly has never set foot on campus
29 points for this kid tonight and an update of Wake Forest. Man did we miss on him.
the argument isn't about "who's better", it's that they are entirely different players and whether or not you'd have bitched about us recruiting Burton. With Ware, Reanu and MM Burton wouldn't be scoring or getting shots at nearly that clip even if he was here. OP is right, you've consistently bitched, you've just changed the reasoning. It's easy to play the "what-if" game: what if JHS had stayed like everyone expected? That's probably also a reason why we didn't recruit Burton and why he might not've been interested if we had. We could've/should've had JHS, a 6 year XJ and a freshman Cupps riding the bench and learning, as he should.
Sorry I didn’t realize how well Woody had handled this roster and recruited. My bad. Also might want to check your post because if I’m bitching, what do you call your post?
You claim you want a "discussion", but you don't. You just want people to agree with you about how awful our players, coaches and admin are. No discussion, just continual whining and complaining about EVERYTHING. Yes, this year has been a disappointment, no, I don't think Woody is the guy to get it straightened out, but he's done some good things and there are some positives to our program and players. The next time you ackowledge that will be about the first time. No sweat, you want to have your little complaining CJ, be my guest. I know how to fix it so I don't see it anymore.
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So my complaining and bitching is different than your complaining and bitching. Got it!
Also a positive was Ware was phenomenal last night.
Burton is hands down better than X. He has close to zero talent on that ND team. TJD made JHS and X look better. I'm not sure why anyone has ever thought X is anything more than the 3 star he is, including Woody.
as I said, it's not about who's better (definitely Burton), it's that you wouldn't plug him in at IU and he'd be scoring the same, precisely because he doesn't have talent around him at ND and needs to score, whereas at IU he'd be feeding and relieving pressure, off of KW and MR.
I think one of Burton's biggest question marks, for his overseas and/or NBA aspirations, is how good of an all around point guard will he be when he's surrounded by talent similar to, or better, than himself.
From day 1 at Penn, even as a TINY little freshman, he was unquestionably the best player, and their coach put a lot on him to score and make plays. He had talent around him at Penn later on in his HS career, but there were none anywhere near his level. He distributed the ball just fine, but everyone knew the best shot they could get, on most possessions, was whatever Burton did for himself.
And now, it seems like he's in a similar situation at ND.
My guess is it will be hard for Burton to ever defer to anyone else. And if he were at IU, I don't think he'd be deferring to KW or Malik. He'd look like a faster, more refined, always attacking version of X...but likely wouldn't look to pass as much as X does even.
That's possible but I think you could've made the same argument for JHS. When we didn't have anyone else that could score, it was pretty much him and TJD last year. JHS doesn't go on the spree he did at Purdue and we were probalby getting blown out.
My brother's grandson was in school and graduated with Markus. Penn a huge school would not have as a good season without him but as the one who posted earlier, he was the best player on the team all through high school. I think it is hard to say how good a career he has versus Gabe Cupps overall. Burton is very talented, but he is expected to do too much at ND because his team is not that good around him. Shrewsberry knew of him from his days at PU prior to Penn State and kept a relationship going during that time. It was a no brainer for Markus once ND offered that he was going there. I don't think it really is worth speculating on whether we recruited him or not. With Ivey the women's coach and Shrewsberry the men's coach it was a match that was destined to happen. (For those that might not know Ivey is Jaden Ivy's mom and he went to Mishawaka Marian.
Shrewsberry was also head coach at IUSB from 2005-2007, then Butler and Purdue before he went to Penn State. He also from and played for Indianapolis Cathedral and Hanover in Madison, IN so he had more connections to Markus than anybody on the IU staff had.
There is plenty to worry about IU as a fan, but this is not really even on the radar.
Shrewsberry was also head coach at IUSB from 2005-2007, then Butler and Purdue before he went to Penn State. He also from and played for Indianapolis Cathedral and Hanover in Madison, IN so he had more connections to Markus than anybody on the IU staff had.
There is plenty to worry about IU as a fan, but this is not really even on the radar.
Disagree with what I think IUN's point was: JHS was a willing, and maybe even pass-first PG, who also had the ability to score. I think he's saying Burton is not, and may not even be a good distributor. If I recall, JHS's HS #s, especially scoring, were pretty pedestrian by 5* standards.
Turning the true pg sense. We just need some playmaking from the backcourt: we lack ability to create our own shot and create offense.
I think Burton would just trade inefficient perimeter play for inefficient post play. But for sure, he'd definitely be more dynamic, and would score and produce more stats than Trey or Cupps are capable of.
Burton is a good ball player. But I'd set our sights on guys that fit the seemingly endless amounts of solid to great guards that teams like Baylor, Houston, UConn right now, Villanova when they were good, had... Solid, 6-2 ish, junk yard dog type players that defend, shoot it well, and handle and run the ballclub like Jalen Hurts on a football field.
I think we have one of those guys in Newton. Just gotta get him healthy. Need a couple more.
He has better stats than Yogi and JHS did in their freshman years right now, including assists. I get it that he's not a true pg but not sure I agree he's not efficient. 17.6 avg, 42fg, 83ft, 4,1 asst. TO are a bit high. We'll see how many assists Smith gets when Edey is gone, I don't think Newton will hit these numbers his first year playing.
