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Mac is back!

Where did I say that?

I expect progress. Years 1-2 were. Year 3, after losing an all time great, was not. Don’t particularly love Woodson. But he’s not the moron y’all portray him as. And I’m excited about the potential of the current roster
I believe the correct portrayal is he’s a lazy moron. Surrounded by lazy yes men.
 
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Serious questions, since you are obviously more plugged in than I am:
1. How do you know what these kids care more about?
2. In the new world of college sports, isn’t paying to get and keep kids the main long-term strategy for most P5 programs?
For a lot of kids it's all about the Benjamins. Take the Mack kid. He would leave Harvard, a place where if you graduate from there your ticket is basically punched. To your second point NIL will end up destroying mid majors. They get a kid and coach him up but can't pay him, and then the big boys come calling and lure him away. Mid major schools will end up becoming the minor leagues for the bigger schools. I said earlier in another post that I want to get rid of NIL and go back to having the transfer rule to go back where a kid has to sit a year if he transfers.
 
MM coming back means they have a better chance to build a more complete team. Still need a more dynamic PG so Trey can move to his normal position. Need a couple more shooters. Need as many legit bigs as they can add. Right now they'd be one of the smallest teams, if not the smallest, in conference. We've seen that before when Morgan was the only legit big on the team. Doesn't pan out.
 
For a lot of kids it's all about the Benjamins. Take the Mack kid. He would leave Harvard, a place where if you graduate from there your ticket is basically punched. To your second point NIL will end up destroying mid majors. They get a kid and coach him up but can't pay him, and then the big boys come calling and lure him away. Mid major schools will end up becoming the minor leagues for the bigger schools. I said earlier in another post that I want to get rid of NIL and go back to having the transfer rule to go back where a kid has to sit a year if he transfers.
So, you aren’t going to answer the questions either?
BTW, you do know it’s Easter, right?
 
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What about those who only complain about others? You know from the WC that I care more about what my spare tire thinks than you & Aloha, but I’ll bet you anything you want that IU’s results don’t match the investment next year. You in?
You could have saved a lot of time and space by typing “IDK”.
I mean, it’s pretty apparent to the board.
 
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Where did I say that?

I expect progress. Years 1-2 were. Year 3, after losing an all time great, was not. Don’t particularly love Woodson. But he’s not the moron y’all portray him as. And I’m excited about the potential of the current roster
I didn't say you said that, I asked if that's what you were expecting.

Secondly, if we lost an all time great, then shouldn't IU have been an all time great team while he was here? Why don't we look at 2 years of not making it out of the first weekend (with an all time great), as down years?
 
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We all know JHS one and done, X and Newton hurt. MM took a while to find his rhythm and CJ or anyone else couldn’t make open 3s
Yeah but we can stockpile excuses for days. Good teams don't have excuses, they just perform.
 
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You could have saved a lot of time and space by typing “IDK”.
I mean, it’s pretty apparent to the board.
& you could by simply stating “I'm not going to believe or agree with anything you post.” I don’t give two shits whether you, Aloha, or anyone else believes what I know or don’t know. Based on what I do know, our results do not match our budget, which has been my entire argument. I would consider that overpaying. You don’t. The difference is I’m willing to put stakes to it, you just want to complain about me, so carry on with your big “gotcha”.
 
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& you could by simply stating “I'm not going to believe anything you post.” I don’t give two shits whether you, Aloha, or anyone else believes what I know or don’t know. Based on what I do know, our results do not match our budget. I would consider that overpaying. You don’t. The difference is I’m willing to put stakes to it, you just want to complain about me, so carry on.
So, you don’t have any real inside info. We agree on something, at least.
 
& you could by simply stating “I'm not going to believe anything you post.” I don’t give two shits whether you, Aloha, or anyone else believes what I know or don’t know. Based on what I do know, our results do not match our budget. I would consider that overpaying. You don’t. The difference is I’m willing to put stakes to it, you just want to complain about me, so carry on.
Without knowing what each player is getting in NIL money and what players on other teams are getting in NIL money it’s an impossible bet. You apparently don’t understand this. You really should just apologize by saying, “sorry board, I was blustering about knowing how much NIL money players are getting and I actually don’t know what they’re getting.” Then just move on and hope people forget this. It would be best not to post for a while because that will only remind others of your baseless blustering..
 
Whether the investment in the team next year is commensurate with the results. Woodson makes what, $4.5 million? NIL will be $6million? I propose we wager whether our ranking in spending is higher or lower than our performance. You pick what metric we use for team performance.

Woodson's salary is based on what the school pays and NIL is based on fund raising by collectives.

They aren't dependent on each other so why are you putting them together?
 
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Without knowing what each player is getting in NIL money and what players on other teams are getting in NIL money it’s an impossible bet. You apparently don’t understand this. You really should just apologize by saying, “sorry board, I was blustering about knowing how much NIL money players are getting and I actually don’t know what they’re getting.” Then just move on and hope people forget this. It would be best not to post for a while because that will only remind others of your baseless blustering..
It's kind of like when some poster (dbm, I think) claimed to have inside knowledge that Dusty May was definitely going to UL. He didn't express it as an opinion, or a prediction, or a theory, which really could have lead to some back and forth discussion.
It's educational to observe the reactions from know-it-all blowhards when they are called out and asked to provide proof.
As Rober McCall says in The Equalizer, "There are two kinds of pain in the world. The pain that hurts, and the pain that alters."
 
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It's kind of like when some poster (dbm, I think) claimed to have inside knowledge that Dusty May was definitely going to UL. He didn't express it as an opinion, or a prediction, or a theory, which really could have lead to some back and forth discussion.
It's educational to observe the reactions from know-it-all blowhards when they are called out and asked to provide proof.
As Rober McCall says in The Equalizer, "There are two kinds of pain in the world. The pain that hurts, and the pain that alters."
Posters that don't know the difference between speculation, opinions and facts are far too common here. The "he gone" posters are an example. Jet is another.
 
Posters that don't know the difference between speculation, opinions and facts are far too common here. The "he gone" posters are an example. Jet is another.
The silly, off-topic bet is always a white flag of surrender, though.

Well, he doesn't care about us, and he's done with responding to you and me, so I guess we will never know if he learned anything about the difference between facts and opinions
 
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Can you show my IU's payroll? Please be specific on who is getting overpaid and let's see the offers IU made versus other teams. If you can't, then you are just talking out of your ass.
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I want you to put up or shut up. You said we are overpaying for players and I want to see the proof. How about we wager on if you can prove we are overpaying? I'll take that bet.

Just admit you don't know jack and only said it because you don't like Woody and the direction. Admit you have zero idea what the market is for MM or Tucker and if IU only got them because they were the highest bidder.
he is just a blowhard
 
Fans need to not be discouraged by this. Woodson still has six spots to fill and there’s no way in hell his lazy ass is gonna be able to pull it off. At least not with quality. I feel like a lot folks on here have just accepted that Dolson has ****ed us and are now content to just lay back and enjoy it. Make lemonade out of lemons or some other other bullshit like that. That’s not how you save this program folks. If there was ever a time to turn the negativity up to 11 that time is now. Make Dolson’s life a living hell. Make Woody so miserable that he resigns before the Big Ten Tournament. Don’t go soft. Let that pompous, incompetent old SOB know what time it is. For the “true fans” sake...
 
I didn't say you said that, I asked if that's what you were expecting.

Secondly, if we lost an all time great, then shouldn't IU have been an all time great team while he was here? Why don't we look at 2 years of not making it out of the first weekend (with an all time great), as down years?
Objectively they were not great years, but relative to the years before them, with the same all time great on the team, they were an improvement.
 
Fans need to not be discouraged by this. Woodson still has six spots to fill and there’s no way in hell his lazy ass is gonna be able to pull it off. At least not with quality. I feel like a lot folks on here have just accepted that Dolson has ****ed us and are now content to just lay back and enjoy it. Make lemonade out of lemons or some other other bullshit like that. That’s not how you save this program folks. If there was ever a time to turn the negativity up to 11 that time is now. Make Dolson’s life a living hell. Make Woody so miserable that he resigns before the Big Ten Tournament. Don’t go soft. Let that pompous, incompetent old SOB know what time it is. For the “true fans” sake...
There’s nothing like a good negative rant on Easter. Happy Easter.
 
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Objectively they were not great years, but relative to the years before them, with the same all time great on the team, they were an improvement.
So you're saying as he got older, the team went from awful to mediocre. Weird how that works eh? Also, that's why we fired the previous coach, right?
 
I didn't say you said that, I asked if that's what you were expecting.

Secondly, if we lost an all time great, then shouldn't IU have been an all time great team while he was here? Why don't we look at 2 years of not making it out of the first weekend (with an all time great), as down years?
Do all-time great players always play for all-time great teams? Is that how that works?
 
It's kind of like when some poster (dbm, I think) claimed to have inside knowledge that Dusty May was definitely going to UL. He didn't express it as an opinion, or a prediction, or a theory, which really could have lead to some back and forth discussion.
It's educational to observe the reactions from know-it-all blowhards when they are called out and asked to provide proof.
As Rober McCall says in The Equalizer, "There are two kinds of pain in the world. The pain that hurts, and the pain that alters."
Even if I was so inclined, I couldn’t provide proof of conversations I’ve had with the folks involved, so the choice is yours on whether to believe it or not. So don’t, I don’t care. I’m not going to list the names of the folks involved because a chump like you thinks I’m making it up. I’ll go back to the beginning one last time, I have been told by people that know that IU is offering some players & recruits more than other schools, & that our NIL budget is likely top 10, almost certainly top 15. I know that based on the results of what IU spends on players & coaches that our results do not line up, even if our budget is only top 40. That’s what I consider overpaying. There are other posters here that can likely corroborate how our budget stacks up & whether we are paying more, but that’s up to them. How about you focus on discussing or refuting those points as opposed to being concerned with me? I’ll bet you won’t because you’re a small person…😉. Hearsay aside, prove me wrong about our budget, results, anything quantifiable.
 
Even if I was so inclined, I couldn’t provide proof of conversations I’ve had with the folks involved, so the choice is yours on whether to believe it or not. So don’t, I don’t care. I’m not going to list the names of the folks involved because a chump like you thinks I’m making it up. I’ll go back to the beginning one last time, I have been told by people that know that IU is offering some players & recruits more than other schools, & that our NIL budget is likely top 10, almost certainly top 15. I know that based on the results of what IU spends on players & coaches that our results do not line up, even if our budget is only top 40. That’s what I consider overpaying. There are other posters here that can likely corroborate how our budget stacks up & whether we are paying more, but that’s up to them. How about you focus on discussing or refuting those points as opposed to being concerned with me? I’ll bet you won’t because you’re a small person…😉. Hearsay aside, prove me wrong about our budget, results, anything quantifiable.

To overpay for a player, you have to know what other teams are offering.

If you don't know what other teams are willing to pay, then you don't know if we are overpaying or not.

It's pretty simple.
 
So, you aren’t going to answer the questions either?
BTW, you do know it’s Easter, right?
I preached two services this morning and had a breakfast with my people. My oldest grandson gave me a big hug. His little brother who is 3 1/2 yrs is doing rehab after serious seizures because he had fluid on his brain. I gave you my opinion on the Harvard kid and what NIL has done and will do to the mid majors.
 
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He's a positive plus ..But just a solid piece ..
I can't jump up and down for guys who want paid big cash..When their not program changers..
Buy hey..You gotta have five on the floor.
 
Even if I was so inclined, I couldn’t provide proof of conversations I’ve had with the folks involved, so the choice is yours on whether to believe it or not. So don’t, I don’t care. I’m not going to list the names of the folks involved because a chump like you thinks I’m making it up. I’ll go back to the beginning one last time, I have been told by people that know that IU is offering some players & recruits more than other schools, & that our NIL budget is likely top 10, almost certainly top 15. I know that based on the results of what IU spends on players & coaches that our results do not line up, even if our budget is only top 40. That’s what I consider overpaying. There are other posters here that can likely corroborate how our budget stacks up & whether we are paying more, but that’s up to them. How about you focus on discussing or refuting those points as opposed to being concerned with me? I’ll bet you won’t because you’re a small person…😉. Hearsay aside, prove me wrong about our budget, results, anything quantifiable.
I’m just glad you continue to reply to me that you don’t care. Very believable.
 
Mgbako back is very good news. I think he'll be strong next year.

With NIL and easy transfers leading to a large amount of roster movement, having a guy come back for a second year is what passes for stability and building from within, these days. So it's good. Knows the schemes, knows the culture. Good deal!

Also signing Tucker. News is good.

And, wishing a blessed Easter to all. Hope you have a great day.
 
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Even if I was so inclined, I couldn’t provide proof of conversations I’ve had with the folks involved, so the choice is yours on whether to believe it or not. So don’t, I don’t care. I’m not going to list the names of the folks involved because a chump like you thinks I’m making it up. I’ll go back to the beginning one last time, I have been told by people that know that IU is offering some players & recruits more than other schools, & that our NIL budget is likely top 10, almost certainly top 15. I know that based on the results of what IU spends on players & coaches that our results do not line up, even if our budget is only top 40. That’s what I consider overpaying. There are other posters here that can likely corroborate how our budget stacks up & whether we are paying more, but that’s up to them. How about you focus on discussing or refuting those points as opposed to being concerned with me? I’ll bet you won’t because you’re a small person…😉. Hearsay aside, prove me wrong about our budget, results, anything quantifiable.
But you replied to a thread about Mgbako returning with something along the lines of.. Woodson has done a good job of finding players that care more about money than winning and overpaying to keep them.

Your claim is obviously that Mack is overpayed and that he only cares about money. I doubt that you know how much he’s getting. And I know you don’t know what he cares about…..
 
To overpay for a player, you have to know what other teams are offering.

If you don't know what other teams are willing to pay, then you don't know if we are overpaying or not.

It's pretty simple.
Basketball is a team sport. If the budget does not equal results you have overpaid for the players on the team. It is very simple.
 
I’m just glad you continue to reply to me that you don’t care. Very believable.
Yes, as you call me a liar I will dispute that, but not because of you & Aloha. But that says a lot more about you than me.😉. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to prepare Easter dinner for some folks. Should be good discussion about recruiting from some real insiders.😃
 
Basketball is a team sport. If the budget does not equal results you have overpaid for the players on the team. It is very simple.
I get what you’re saying. Put a little differently: fundamentally IU and donors put immense resources into the basketball program, but our on court results are not good, especially in relation to the resources deployed. It’s a bummer.

Is what it is though. We have a lot of roster spots left and Woody will get another crack at building/buying a team. We’ll see what he does here.
 
Yes, as you call me a liar I will dispute that, but not because of you & Aloha. But that says a lot more about you than me.😉. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to prepare Easter dinner for some folks. Should be good discussion about recruiting from some real insiders.😃
Happy Easter.
 
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I get what you’re saying. Put a little differently: fundamentally IU and donors put immense resources into the basketball program, but our on court results are not good, especially in relation to the resources deployed. It’s a bummer.

Is what it is though. We have a lot of roster spots left and Woody will get another crack at building/buying a team. We’ll see what he does here.
I’m not overly concerned with the open slots. Money talks. Biggest problem is Woody will still show up (with his merry men in suits and sneakers) on game days.
 
Even if I was so inclined, I couldn’t provide proof of conversations I’ve had with the folks involved, so the choice is yours on whether to believe it or not. So don’t, I don’t care. I’m not going to list the names of the folks involved because a chump like you thinks I’m making it up. I’ll go back to the beginning one last time, I have been told by people that know that IU is offering some players & recruits more than other schools, & that our NIL budget is likely top 10, almost certainly top 15. I know that based on the results of what IU spends on players & coaches that our results do not line up, even if our budget is only top 40. That’s what I consider overpaying. There are other posters here that can likely corroborate how our budget stacks up & whether we are paying more, but that’s up to them. How about you focus on discussing or refuting those points as opposed to being concerned with me? I’ll bet you won’t because you’re a small person…😉. Hearsay aside, prove me wrong about our budget, results, anything quantifiable.
You aren't being asked to provide proof, you're being asked what you've been told players are getting. Do you have any information on that, or not? If not, all your talk about "overpaying" and results is worthless.
 
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