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What's a split front bench seat?
Bench seat, where half the vertical parts will lean forward to let folks get in or out of the back seat otherwise create elbow room in the back for nights at the Drive-In.


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Drivers who regularly drive a manual transmission usually can learn quickly to shift gears and operate the clutch with no problem even in a different car. However, I get the idea that few younger drivers even know where to begin with a manual transmission, because they never encounter them.

I reread the original post. It seems to say the shop's 19 year old technician started the car with his left foot on the floor outside the car and his right foot on the clutch pedal. When the engine started he "removed his foot from the clutch, still standing outside the vehicle." The vehicle went forward and killed a coworker.

Sounds like the idiot may have left it in gear.
In a world of sel-driving cars, a stick-shift must seem like a rubik's cube.
 
Jesus. What is your issue? I'd wager that the average driver of a vehicle with manual transmission is far more engaged with the process of operating the car that the average bone head in an automatic. The very mechanism of operation require constant engagement. You're really more concerned about to fiftyish dude in a manual than a someone in a CRV?

And who watches a tach to know when to shift?

WTF are you blathering about? I can stop a manual without even using the brakes if I needed to. Had a brake line blow out on a automatic and you are pretty much screwed. Do you actually have a brain and attempt to use it once in a while? I never look at the Tach to drive if you are really that stupid and dont know how to drive and have a feel for the road you should probably hire a taxi
I read your post to my wife. Her comment was,"Obviously, he shouldn't be driving a manual." She drove various stick shift (manual) vehicles for years. M4 BMW, Porshe, Honda. To be honest, I was somewhat intimidated by her skill. She shifts like silk. She took my 427 Cobra out for the first time and drove it like a pro (the clutch is a bitch). She also said, "An electric mixer is dangerous in the hands of man."

i learned to drive a manual at 16, (unless we count my 10 speed bike), and have driven more than i can count over the years, both cars and trucks, including 2 motorcycles i've owned.

and yes, imo they are definitely more dangerous just because you're adding another element at every busy intersection, and there will always be instances where someone else needs/wants to borrow your car.

i've also had girlfriends with manuals, including one who loved driving a manual, but that one had 2 wrecks in the 4 yrs i was with her, and one of them i can't say the manual didn't contribute to. (nor could i prove it did).

Hank does have a point with the stopping thing.

i have had my brakes go to zero brakes in an instant, on a really busy Indy street, quickly approaching a major intersection stop light.

scary as f.

saved by dumb luck, otherwise i probably throw it in neutral and try the parking brake.

still consider manuals more dangerous on average though.

Hank, you also made my point about the tach, and shifting by feel.

the tach in an automatic absolutely does f up the whole instrument cluster set up, and adds a cost for something that makes the car worse..

as for Jg48's wife's comment,

"An electric mixer is dangerous in the hands of a man"

"electric mixer"? ;);)
 
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Late 50s Fiat, 4 on the tree. Yes, 4. I was probably 12 or so.

Of course, tractors came long before that but it's not like you ran them through the gears.
late 40s / early 50s Army-style jeep we used on the farm

Starter switch on the floor. Dimmer switch on the floor too. No power steering, of course. Extra lever to engage 4WD.

First drive of any type, though, was a little John Deere 420. The seat would adjust very low, so I could reach the brake and clutch. First I drove it at about age 7 pulling a hay wagon as my Dad and brothers picked up hay that Dad had baled on the ground. It had a PTO, though, so it could also power the hay baler. Power steering too, so a kid could manage end-of-field turns. I was a little older by the time I drove that setup pulling the baler and wagon, since the turns were more challenging.

First car of my own? Junky 1967 Pontiac Tempest. My parents got tired of driving me back from after-school marching band practice. It had been wrecked and my uncle rebuilt it. More bondo than metal! Had a crappy transmission but a big engine though. 326 V8 IIRC
 
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Did you have one of those knobs with a picture of a half-naked woman on your steering wheel so you could crank it around the corners?
No I never liked those knobs.... weren't they illegal?
 
late 40s / early 50s Army-style jeep we used on the farm

Starter switch on the floor. Dimmer switch on the floor too. No power steering, of course. Extra lever to engage 4WD.

First drive of any type, though, was a little John Deere 420. The seat would adjust very low, so I could reach the brake and clutch. First I drove it at about age 7 pulling a hay wagon as my Dad and brothers picked up hay that Dad had baled on the ground. It had a PTO, though, so it could also power the hay baler. Power steering too, so a kid could manage end-of-field turns. I was a little older by the time I drove that setup pulling the baler and wagon, since the turns were more challenging.

First car of my own? Junky 1967 Pontiac Tempest. My parents got tired of driving me back from after-school marching band practice. It had been wrecked and my uncle rebuilt it. More bondo than metal! Had a crappy transmission but a big engine though. 326 V8 IIRC
Are you sure it wasn't a Buick Skylark?
 
i learned to drive a manual at 16, (unless we count my 10 speed bike), and have driven more than i can count over the years, both cars and trucks, including 2 motorcycles i've owned.

and yes, imo they are definitely more dangerous just because you're adding another element at every busy intersection, and there will always be instances where someone else needs/wants to borrow your car.

i've also had girlfriends with manuals, including one who loved driving a manual, but that one had 2 wrecks in the 4 yrs i was with her, and one of them i can't say the manual didn't contribute to. (nor could i prove it did).

Hank does have a point with the stopping thing.

i have had my brakes go to zero brakes in an instant, on a really busy Indy street, quickly approaching a major intersection stop light.

scary as f.

saved by dumb luck, otherwise i probably throw it in neutral and try the parking brake.

still consider manuals more dangerous on average though.

Hank, you also made my point about the tach, and shifting by feel.

the tach in an automatic absolutely does f up the whole instrument cluster set up, and adds a cost for something that makes the car worse..

as for Jg48's wife's comment,

"An electric mixer is dangerous in the hands of a man"

"electric mixer"? ;);)
It would appear the danger is in not knowing how to drive one. Never had an issue, push starting option a plus. Having a good reason not to let someone borrow it is a plus to me. I'm not sure when the last time I looked at the Tach in my car, Automatics have them too for some reason.

I prefer an manual in snow at least compared to a 2 wd automatic. Just more control in my mind. I can remember using my manual to pull about 500 ft of wire through buried conduit. I could feel it and not break my rope vs using a tractor or bobcat that wouldve just broken something if it got stuck a bit. Plus they are just more fun to drive. learned on a 53 chevy 3 on tree that was a tank and yes it was old when I learned. I don't like having a manual in a PU truck if they even exist anymore but in a small car I wouldnt have a automatic for as long as I can. I was the one that mentioned stopping, emergency brakes tend to work better in a manual as you use it and between engine, clutch and that you can stop. I blew a line a cpl times on a pickup and not much you can do.
 
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