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Yeah super fun. My old boss was on the Porsche racing team. His partner was the great Lorenzo Lamos. He had a fleet of them. He'd take me out in them to show off what they can do. There's an art to driving them. Back then anyway
Yes, riding with a great driver is a treat. I once took my Cobra to a "race day" at the Texas World Speedway. I drove it for several hours and managed to spin it out twice. I also managed to get it to 135mph and scare the sh*t out of my self. So finally, I ask one of the professional drivers sponsoring the day to take me on a lap. The car I had fought all the way around the course, suddenly became this amazing machine. He slid it through curves and remarked how well it was set up. The car and driver were like a great cowboy and his long time horse. it did anything he asked. I was really humbled. Don't ever try to tell me race car driver's are not skilled athletes. I will never forget the ride.
 
Yes, riding with a great driver is a treat. I once took my Cobra to a "race day" at the Texas World Speedway. I drove it for several hours and managed to spin it out twice. I also managed to get it to 135mph and scare the sh*t out of my self. So finally, I ask one of the professional drivers sponsoring the day to take me on a lap. The car I had fought all the way around the course, suddenly became this amazing machine. He slid it through curves and remarked how well it was set up. The car and driver were like a great cowboy and his long time horse. it did anything he asked. I was really humbled. Don't ever try to tell me race car driver's are not skilled athletes. I will never forget the ride.
That is sooooooooo cool! Oh yeah they are amazing.
 
is insurance more costly on a manual transmission than an automatic?

if not, it should be.

manuals are more dangerous than automatics, both to the operator and all the other cars and pedestrians and cyclists around them.

and especially to anyone the owner hands the car off to for any reason, and all around them.


don't even get me going on manuals. bwg

the fact that some idiots want to drive a manual forces me to have to pay for a tach even on my automatic, not to mention the reality said tach which i don't want or need, but have to pay for anyway, totally f's up the instrument cluster setup.

and not even manuals should have tachs anyway.

if the operator can't drive a manual by feel, they shouldn't be driving a manual.

if the operator is watching the tach, they aren't watching the road.
OTOH, you won’t be carjacked if you have a manual.
 
Jesus. What is your issue? I'd wager that the average driver of a vehicle with manual transmission is far more engaged with the process of operating the car that the average bone head in an automatic. The very mechanism of operation require constant engagement. You're really more concerned about to fiftyish dude in a manual than a someone in a CRV?

And who watches a tach to know when to shift?
I watched the tach frequently in my 911. Always kept it above 3k.
 
Jesus. What is your issue? I'd wager that the average driver of a vehicle with manual transmission is far more engaged with the process of operating the car that the average bone head in an automatic. The very mechanism of operation require constant engagement. You're really more concerned about to fiftyish dude in a manual than a someone in a CRV?

And who watches a tach to know when to shift?
He truly isn’t very smart. He posts the way a stupid old nerd would think an intelligent cool kid would post. Three of my first four cars were manuals. Mastering driving a manual makes a person a better driver. Also no one that is experienced at driving a manual looks at the tach other than an occasional glance. There’s no need.

Incidentally, modern cars go 0-60 faster with an automatic transmission rather than a manual and that wasn’t the case for my early cars - it was the opposite. The automatic transmission technology is that advanced.
 
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He truly isn’t very smart. He posts the way a stupid old nerd would think an intelligent cool kid would post. Three of my first four cars were manuals. Mastering driving a manual makes a person a better driver. Also no one that is experienced at driving a manual looks at the tach other than an occasional glance. There’s no need.

Incidentally, modern cars go 0-60 faster with an automatic transmission rather than a manual and that wasn’t the case for my early cars - it was the opposite. The automatic transmission technology is that advanced.
I learned to drive on a manual. 1984 Ford Escort. I was such a baller.
 
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1960 Ford Fairlane 500. Seats were wide as sofas front and back. Rode like you were on a cloud. Bought it in Tucson, original paint, great condition.
 
Late 50s Fiat, 4 on the tree. Yes, 4. I was probably 12 or so.

Of course, tractors came long before that but it's not like you ran them through the gears.

Spyder? We had an mg and a spitfire when I was in high school for a bit. Both junk. Never ran. No power steering. Brutal to drive
 
Spyder? We had an mg and a spitfire when I was in high school for a bit. Both junk. Never ran. No power steering. Brutal to drive
Little boxy sedan. It was what my dad drove to the office. Mom had the station wagon. Then we moved out into the middle of nowhere. That is when I started to learn how to do stuff.
 
Little boxy sedan. It was what my dad drove to the office. Mom had the station wagon. Then we moved out into the middle of nowhere. That is when I started to learn how to do stuff.
Kids today have no idea what no power steering was like. Miserable. My grandfather went from a carmengia to a Chevy chevette. Can't think of two more miserable cars to drive
 
Kids today have no idea what no power steering was like. Miserable. My grandfather went from a carmengia to a Chevy chevette. Can't think of two more miserable cars to drive
And had to turn the steering wheel like it was a top. You had to drive the old cars... they wandered if you didn't.

My first car was a Triumph Spitfire.... love driving it but I wondered if it had any springs or shocks. :) :)
 
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And had to turn the steering wheel like it was a top. You had to drive the old cars... they wandered if you didn't.

My first car was a Triumph Spitfire.... love driving it but I wondered if it had any springs or shocks. :) :)
Hilarious. Ours had the wooden dash with fake shit from races by the glove box and a wooden stick shift knob. That was one cool little car. Blue with spitfire in white by the front light. Absolutely never ran. Was always in the shop
 
Farmall model H at 8, Oliver 77 diesel by 10, @12 I was pushing a 1977 4 speed with granny F150 down Union Valley Road, left on Lostmans lane to Maple grove, down and back up Acuff road, cross 37 to Kinser pike leading wide farm equipment to the field. 16.5 I was awarded a 1975 El Camino, 350 small block, cam'd up and 4 barrel high rise with a junk ass Holly carb. Never could keep right rear tires on that thing for some odd reason.
It was my first "truck'ish".
 
1st Car:

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66 Ford Falcon Futura 2 door sport coupe
Split front bench seat
No power anything
AM radio
Vent- heat- defrost
170 cubic inch in-line 6 cylinder
Vent windows for smoking
$2 dollars of gas got us around Friday AND Saturday night if we didn’t go out of town.
Great memories.
My dad's first ride, only it had the 289. They still won't admit it, but I think I was conceived in that car.
 
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1st Car:

R.8a0ac6e03f9e34af3164b13e503e9ea4


66 Ford Falcon Futura 2 door sport coupe
Split front bench seat
No power anything
AM radio
Vent- heat- defrost
170 cubic inch in-line 6 cylinder
Vent windows for smoking
$2 dollars of gas got us around Friday AND Saturday night if we didn’t go out of town.
Great memories.
What's a split front bench seat?
 
And had to turn the steering wheel like it was a top. You had to drive the old cars... they wandered if you didn't.

My first car was a Triumph Spitfire.... love driving it but I wondered if it had any springs or shocks. :) :)
Did you have one of those knobs with a picture of a half-naked woman on your steering wheel so you could crank it around the corners?
 
I read your post to my wife. Her comment was,"Obviously, he shouldn't be driving a manual." She drove various stick shift (manual) vehicles for years. M4 BMW, Porshe, Honda. To be honest, I was somewhat intimidated by her skill. She shifts like silk. She took my 427 Cobra out for the first time and drove it like a pro (the clutch is a bitch). She also said, "An electric mixer is dangerous in the hands of man."
Drivers who regularly drive a manual transmission usually can learn quickly to shift gears and operate the clutch with no problem even in a different car. However, I get the idea that few younger drivers even know where to begin with a manual transmission, because they never encounter them.

I reread the original post. It seems to say the shop's 19 year old technician started the car with his left foot on the floor outside the car and his right foot on the clutch pedal. When the engine started he "removed his foot from the clutch, still standing outside the vehicle." The vehicle went forward and killed a coworker.

Sounds like the idiot may have left it in gear.
 
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Drivers who regularly drive a manual transmission usually can learn quickly to shift gears and operate the clutch with no problem even in a different car. However, I get the idea that few younger drivers even know where to begin with a manual transmission, because they never encounter them.

I reread the original post. It seems to say the shop's 19 year old technician started the car with his left foot on the floor outside the car and his right foot on the clutch pedal. When the engine started he "removed his foot from the clutch, still standing outside the vehicle." The vehicle went forward and killed a coworker.

Sounds like the idiot may have left it in gear.
Which is exactly what happened, and was not because he didn't understand the mechanics of what a clutch peddle does, it was because he had a total brain fart moment. I can name 4 people, 30+ stick drivers who have done the same. He cut corners and it killed his buddy, plain and simple. He'll never ever forget what he did that day, EVER.
And I can guarantee you, the Tach had nothing to do with the price of cheese in China.
 
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