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I shudder at what's on tap for these 6 and what it means for the country.

At least I'll have Trump v DeSantis to watch to keep me entertained.

What we're seeing, folks, is the last gasp of the GOP.

10 more years tops.
 
I shudder at what's on tap for these 6 and what it means for the country.

At least I'll have Trump v DeSantis to watch to keep me entertained.

What we're seeing, folks, is the last gasp of the GOP.

10 more years tops.
LOL. And how many times have we heard this “last gasp of the GOP” tripe before? How have things been working out with Latinos and some other groups moving away from the ever-radicalizing Democrats?
 
I shudder at what's on tap for these 6 and what it means for the country.

At least I'll have Trump v DeSantis to watch to keep me entertained.

What we're seeing, folks, is the last gasp of the GOP.

10 more years tops.
Lol…the money is failing. Democrats and larger government are going to struggle the next decade.
 
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I find the timing of this interesting merely from a political strategy perspective. Nothing could rally voters like this. Maybe there is a political reason why they couldn’t wait until after November.
 
Oh, the old larger government stance:
Trump s#cked and wasn’t fiscally conservative. Democrats are still going to struggle in a high inflationary and debt era. They’ll lose congress this year and the White House in 24. Their policies suck and government is to large.
 
Trump s#cked and wasn’t fiscally conservative. Democrats are still going to struggle in a high inflationary and debt era. They’ll lose congress this year and the White House in 24. Their policies suck and government is to large.
This is a pet peeve. It’s not the size of government. We should demand effective government. We never talk about private companies being too big. If the company works and does good things, we don’t care. The same should be true of government. Cutting head cut just to do so is incredibly stupid and often undermines the agencies ability to do it’s core mission.
 
LOL. And how many times have we heard this “last gasp of the GOP” tripe before? How have things been working out with Latinos and some other groups moving away from the ever-radicalizing Democrats?
Haha. Talking today, of all days about ever radicalizing Democrats? Oh the irony.
 
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This is a pet peeve. It’s not the size of government. We should demand effective government. We never talk about private companies being too big. If the company works and does good things, we don’t care. The same should be true of government. Cutting head cut just to do so is incredibly stupid and often undermines the agencies ability to do it’s core mission.
I think that is oxymoron. Governments are ineffective because they are not beholden to market forces. Also, we do care about the size of businesses when it comes to monopolies.

A question for you. We’re currently north of 30 trillion in debt and debt to GDP is north of 130%. You don’t think it’s time to cut back some?
 
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This is a pet peeve. It’s not the size of government... Cutting head cut just to do so is incredibly stupid and often undermines the agencies ability to do it’s core mission.
Case in point-- the IRS.
 
I think that is oxymoron. Governments are ineffective because they are not beholden to market forces. Also, we do care about the size of businesses when it comes to monopolies. We’re currently north of 30 trillion in debt and debt to GDP is north of 130%. You don’t think it’s time to cut back some?
This is a confusing post. Debt is not tied to the size of government. The spending comes from many places.
 
This is a pet peeve. It’s not the size of government. We should demand effective government. We never talk about private companies being too big. If the company works and does good things, we don’t care. The same should be true of government. Cutting head cut just to do so is incredibly stupid and often undermines the agencies ability to do it’s core mission.
You know why this is a bad take right?
 
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I shudder at what's on tap for these 6 and what it means for the country.

At least I'll have Trump v DeSantis to watch to keep me entertained.

What we're seeing, folks, is the last gasp of the GOP.

10 more years tops.
I had to chuckle at that because I've heard that so many times. What you fail to see is how both sides come in when they've won and are arrogant and think they have a mandate to change everything and people don't want that so they swing back the other way. Mark my word, if the Republicans win big in November they'll screw it up by being arrogant and misplaying the hand they were dealt.
 
We never talk about private companies being too big.
It is true that people don't talk about companies being too big but the government does sometimes and I think that is kinda ironic since it's so big.

And like how people EXPLODED over the Venmo reporting requirements so, God forbid, people aren’t able to hide their income and evade taxes so easily.
How does that work or do you know? I don't use Venmo but I do use Zelle sometimes to send anniversary or birthday money to our daughter. Does Zelle have to report that?
 
How does that work or do you know? I don't use Venmo but I do use Zelle sometimes to send anniversary or birthday money to our daughter. Does Zelle have to report that?
The last I heard, cash apps were going to send statements to users who get more than $X per year via the app. Then it’s the user’s responsibility to report income for tax purposes if they received it as income vs payments for some other reason, say, you chipping in for pizza and paying me because I ordered it.
 
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LOL. And how many times have we heard this “last gasp of the GOP” tripe before? How have things been working out with Latinos and some other groups moving away from the ever-radicalizing Democrats?
Probably means "as we know it." In 10 years the majority of the GOP party will be Latinos and/or Gen Z kids who've grown up. The old white dinosaurs are dying.
 
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Probably means "as we know it." In 10 years the majority of the GOP party will be Latinos and/or Gen Z kids who've grown up. The old white dinosaurs are dying.
LOL. And how many times have we heard this “last gasp of the GOP” tripe before? How have things been working out with Latinos and some other groups moving away from the ever-radicalizing Democrats?
Many of those old white Dinosaurs start out young white Dems fresh out of liberal colleges. Then they get whacked with taxes, start businesses, and realize their professors they once looked up to wouldn't have a clue how to file a simple pleading in court and they move right over time. Ideals get replaced with reality
 
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Many of those old white Dinosaurs start out young white Dems fresh out of liberal colleges. Then they get whacked with taxes, start businesses, and realize their professors they once looked up to wouldn't have a clue how to file a simple pleading in court and they move right. Ideals get replaced with reality
That's your experience. Waaaaay before social media. Probably before the internet even. Probably even before phones ;). I've always wondered what your horses name is? VBG.

The next generation is not going to be the same. Never is. Latinos specifically largely support gun control. The majority of Latinos, while catholic, still support access to abortion. Gen Z lines up the same. So man one could theoretically say that this will be the GOP stance in 10 years.
 
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That's your experience. Waaaaay before social media. Probably before the internet even. Probably even before phones ;). I've always wondered what your horses name is? VBG.

The next generation is not going to be the same. Never is. Latinos specifically largely support gun control. The majority of Latinos, while catholic, still support access to abortion. Gen Z lines up the same. So man one could theoretically say that this will be the GOP stance in 10 years.
Buddy you're losing the plot. The median home is $400k. Car $50k. Those D kids are going to grow up and realize life is expensive as shit and that business license, occupancy license, county tax, state tax, federal tax, EO policy, workers comp policy, health insurance, payroll tax, and income tax are a hell of a drain before you figure out how to pay for that $400k house and $50k car and $50k car for your stoker, and braces for the kids, and tuition for the kids, and save for college and wham bam next thing you know it you're 40 and that D turned to an R and you look at AOC and warren and the rest and say it's hard enough paying for my own I'm not paying for theirs too! 48 out of 100 wanted the largest social safety net ever. Those numbers will look worse in Nov

Lastly Latinos aren't a monolithic group. Their preferences vary greatly
 
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Buddy you're losing the plot. The median home is $400k. Car $50k. Those D kids are going to grow up and realize life is expensive as shit and that business license, occupancy license, county tax, state tax, federal tax, EO policy, workers comp policy, health insurance, payroll tax, and income tax are a hell of a drain before you figure out how to pay for that $400k house and $50k car and $50k car for your stoker, and braces for the kids, and tuition for the kids, and save for college and wham bam next thing you know it you're 40 and that D turned to an R and you look at AOC and warren and the rest and say it's hard enough paying for my own I'm not paying for theirs too! 48 out of 100 wanted the largest social safety net ever. Those numbers will look worse in Nov
I'm specifically talking about social ideology. The GOP of today is dying. Look at yesterday. Overwhelming majority of the country is appalled. Including those who vote R.

I'm not saying they are going to start voting D. I'm suggesting that the social platform of the GOP will change. In ten years the GOP may very well be pro gun control.

The economic stuff? People just want a job and to feel comfortable. They could give 2 shits if a D or an R delivers that. Just make sure you deliver it.
 
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I'm specifically talking about social ideology. The GOP of today is dying. Look at yesterday. Overwhelming majority of the country is appalled. Including those who vote R.

I'm not saying they are going to start voting D. I'm suggesting that the social platform of the GOP will change. In ten years the GOP may very well be pro gun control.

The economic stuff? People just want a job and to feel comfortable. They could give 2 shits if a D or an R delivers that. Just make sure you deliver it.
Yes I agree on social issues. The GOP are like dinosaurs. At least a large section. But that won't carry elections. Electric bills, gas at the pump, inflation, crime. Always. The gop isn't going anywhere.
 
Yes I agree on social issues. The GOP are like dinosaurs. At least a large section. But that won't carry elections. Electric bills, gas at the pump, inflation, crime. Always. The gop isn't going anywhere.
Its always the economy. Folks are less party loyal on that though.
 
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Yes I agree on social issues. The GOP are like dinosaurs. At least a large section. But that won't carry elections. Electric bills, gas at the pump, inflation, crime. Always. But there is an evolution away from ideals for many. I loved school. The farther removed I get from it the lore I realize how out of touch the faculty were
No they aren't. Don't buy into his nonsense. People tend to agree with the status quo in this country because most people are intellectually lazy when it comes to this stuff. The majority of the country currently agrees with the Mississippi bill that was upheld by the court yesterday. An extremely solid majority. And that is in the face of a 50 year status quo and the majority of the major institutions in the country pushing the idea that women should be able to get an abortion whenever and however they want (which is the truly extreme view). The law allows the Overton window to shift. The GOP is talking about a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks right now which lines up exactly with majority opinion in this country.

And Latinos are starting to lean into the GOP more because of economics, what do you think happens when they get over there and realize they align more on social issues as well?
 
No they aren't. Don't buy into his nonsense. People tend to agree with the status quo in this country because most people are intellectually lazy when it comes to this stuff. The majority of the country currently agrees with the Mississippi bill that was upheld by the court yesterday. An extremely solid majority. And that is in the face of a 50 year status quo and the majority of the major institutions in the country pushing the idea that women should be able to get an abortion whenever and however they want (which is the truly extreme view). The law allows the Overton window to shift. The GOP is talking about a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks right now which lines up exactly with majority opinion in this country.

And Latinos are starting to lean into the GOP more because of economics, what do you think happens when they get over there and realize they align more on social issues as well?
But they dont align on social issues. And they, like everyone else, just want a job and to feel safe.

Latinos will change the GOP. The GOP will not change Latinos.
 
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I have no choice to opt out of big government, the bigger they get, the more I am on the hook for them. I am not forced to participate in big corporate.
So you think we should just lop off “government” with no thought or consideration? The inability to opt out does not undermine my point one bit.
 
The GOP is talking about a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks right now which lines up exactly with majority opinion in this country.

So now it's not a question that the states should decide individually?
 
No they aren't. Don't buy into his nonsense. People tend to agree with the status quo in this country because most people are intellectually lazy when it comes to this stuff. The majority of the country currently agrees with the Mississippi bill that was upheld by the court yesterday. An extremely solid majority. And that is in the face of a 50 year status quo and the majority of the major institutions in the country pushing the idea that women should be able to get an abortion whenever and however they want (which is the truly extreme view). The law allows the Overton window to shift. The GOP is talking about a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks right now which lines up exactly with majority opinion in this country.

And Latinos are starting to lean into the GOP more because of economics, what do you think happens when they get over there and realize they align more on social issues as well?
No they aren't. Don't buy into his nonsense. People tend to agree with the status quo in this country because most people are intellectually lazy when it comes to this stuff. The majority of the country currently agrees with the Mississippi bill that was upheld by the court yesterday. An extremely solid majority. And that is in the face of a 50 year status quo and the majority of the major institutions in the country pushing the idea that women should be able to get an abortion whenever and however they want (which is the truly extreme view). The law allows the Overton window to shift. The GOP is talking about a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks right now which lines up exactly with majority opinion in this country.

And Latinos are starting to lean into the GOP more because of economics, what do you think happens when they get over there and realize they align more on social issues as well?
No I disagree with you. Guns. The NRA. Abortion. The gop is behind the majority imo and will have to change. I'm on a chat with probably 50 old teammates. Chilean, Argentine, Haitian, Australian, English, from La to Kc to Miami and not one support the NRA, the refusal to ban certain guns, the refusal for exhaustive background checks, overturning Roe. They don't fixate on gay rights like some conservatives on this board. And I'm on that chat ALL day long. More than here if you can believe it.

There is a vocal backlash over the extreme left with trans in sports and shit that I agree with but largely I do believe the gop doesn't match the majority of society on social issues and will need to adapt to meet the younger generations to recruit them, before they realize being a Dem is a financial drain lol.

Get on THE GRAM crazy. You'll see
 
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So you think we should just lop off “government” with no thought or consideration? The inability to opt out does not undermine my point one bit.
No but there are areas that wouldn't be missed if they were just to disappear today.
 
No but there are areas that wouldn't be missed if they were just to disappear today.
That might well be true. But let’s be specific. Lowering your grocery bill by cutting fruits and vegetables sounds stupid when done so just because the bill is too big.
 
Buddy you're losing the plot. The median home is $400k. Car $50k. Those D kids are going to grow up and realize life is expensive as shit and that business license, occupancy license, county tax, state tax, federal tax, EO policy, workers comp policy, health insurance, payroll tax, and income tax are a hell of a drain before you figure out how to pay for that $400k house and $50k car and $50k car for your stoker, and braces for the kids, and tuition for the kids, and save for college and wham bam next thing you know it you're 40 and that D turned to an R and you look at AOC and warren and the rest and say it's hard enough paying for my own I'm not paying for theirs too! 48 out of 100 wanted the largest social safety net ever. Those numbers will look worse in Nov

Lastly Latinos aren't a monolithic group. Their preferences vary greatly
You are throwing out a lot of hyperbole. Fine. Let's go your route. Let's cut all those taxes and fees by half or eliminate them all together. How do you propose paying for roads, schools, fire, police, and various other social services. Trickle down?

While Democrats answer to everything is more taxes the Republican view is less or none. That seems to be the only thing they stand on.

While we are dreaming, let's bring all manufacturing back to the United States. I'm all for it. But let's not bitch about the cost when we do.
 
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You are throwing out a lot of hyperbole. Fine. Let's go your route. Let's cut all those taxes and fees by half or eliminate them all together. How do you propose paying for roads, schools, fire, police, and various other social services. Trickle down?

While Democrats answer to everything is more taxes the Republican view is less or none. That seems to be the only thing they stand on.

While we are dreaming, let's bring all manufacturing back to the United States. I'm all for it. But let's not bitch about the cost when we do.
That's the point. Core services always have to be paid for, and there's ample revenue for same. But Dems want to piss so much money away on safety nets that breed generations of dependents. Republicans spend endlessly on military and other shit. We over regulate the hell out of everything.

We could absolutely do core stuff with less. What do want from gov is always the question. A caretaker or the basics
 
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You are throwing out a lot of hyperbole. Fine. Let's go your route. Let's cut all those taxes and fees by half or eliminate them all together. How do you propose paying for roads, schools, fire, police, and various other social services. Trickle down?

While Democrats answer to everything is more taxes the Republican view is less or none. That seems to be the only thing they stand on.

While we are dreaming, let's bring all manufacturing back to the United States. I'm all for it. But let's not bitch about the cost when we do.
My bold and italics added to your post. The non sequitur in the whole "bring jobs back to America!" mantra that both parties espouse (and have espoused for the last 30 years or so) is that Americans don't want to fill those jobs unless they get paid - and that wage scale will make today's inflation look like a rounding error by comparison.

Literally a rounding error.

Never mind the fact that there's a substantial labor shortage in general, especially in skilled labor, so the manufacturing plants bringing back all those jobs would need to go after the employees of existing US-based manufacturers - and driving up wages in general, which drives up prices for finished goods, which is ..... ta da ..... inflation!

You know, like Amazon's been doing for the last decade or so.
 
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