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KJP dumping the dem party. How convenient

Dems, what does it say when you've become too extreme for black lesbians?
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Dems, what does it say when you've become too extreme for black lesbians?

I don't think that's what is going on here.

It looks to me like she's declaring independence to take potshots at the Biden Administration and the party as a former insider turned outsider....because it's the hook to her book. It's right there in the book's title and subtitle.

How transparently brazen can somebody get?
 
She is simply doing this to help sell books. Positioning herself as a more objective.

I am truly an independent, this chick…not so much
While I agree with you about the book…

…I’ve wondered at times if the way the Biden term and aborted reelection bid turned out would serve as a catalyst for some prominent Democrats to become party critics.

Probably not many, relative to what Republicans have experienced. And she’s not really all that prominent, anyway,

It’s easy to forget this, but no shortage of former Republican pols had either left the party or otherwise endorsed Democratic candidates before Donald Trump ascended.

Colin Powell, Doug Kmiec, Larry Pressler, Chuck Hagel, Charles Fried, Ken Duberstein, Ken Adelman, and many others had endorsed Obama. Some cited Palin in 2008. But the Romney/Ryan ticket didn’t win many, if any, back in.

The Tea Party was in full gear by then. And it’s hard not to see all of that as the precursor to the Trump era — when, of course, those snow flurries of Republican defection became a blizzard.
 
She is simply doing this to help sell books. Positioning herself as a more objective.

I am truly an independent, this chick…not so much
The more books that she sells

The less house, I have Biden judges, gift to her from my extremely dwindling inventory!

I’d get my moneys worth! Bet on it like Vegas baby!
 
While I agree with you about the book…

…I’ve wondered at times if the way the Biden term and aborted reelection bid turned out would serve as a catalyst for some prominent Democrats to become party critics.

Probably not many, relative to what Republicans have experienced. And she’s not really all that prominent, anyway,

It’s easy to forget this, but no shortage of former Republican pols had either left the party or otherwise endorsed Democratic candidates before Donald Trump ascended.

Colin Powell, Doug Kmiec, Larry Pressler, Chuck Hagel, Charles Fried, Ken Duberstein, Ken Adelman, and many others had endorsed Obama. Some cited Palin in 2008. But the Romney/Ryan ticket didn’t win many, if any, back in.

The Tea Party was in full gear by then. And it’s hard not to see all of that as the precursor to the Trump era — when, of course, those snow flurries of Republican defection became a blizzard.


Romney/Ryan was the best ticket the GOP has had in my lifetime. From my perspective, the best ticket that either party has offered since the Clinton admin. But people don't want to vote for serious people. They want clown shows and carnival barkers. We get what we deserve. Shit. Incompetence. Hackery. Intransigence.
 
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Romney/Ryan was the best ticket the GOP has had in my lifetime. From my perspective, the best ticket that either party has offered since the Clinton admin. But people don't want to vote for serious people. They want clown shows and carnival barkers. We get what we deserve. Shit. Incompetence. Hackery. Intransigence.
That post just proves how stupid you really are.
 
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Romney/Ryan was the best ticket the GOP has had in my lifetime. From my perspective, the best ticket that either party has offered since the Clinton admin. But people don't want to vote for serious people. They want clown shows and carnival barkers. We get what we deserve. Shit. Incompetence. Hackery. Intransigence.
I thought Romney would’ve been a better president than he was a presidential candidate.

That was also the year Daniels toyed with running. He wouldn’t have won either.
 
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I liked Romney ish until I watched his documentary. Was an amoeba. Paraphrasing I’ll say and be anything people want I just want this job

Given his unusual political journey, that isn't all that surprising.

Nevertheless, he seems like a genuinely smart guy and a genuinely decent guy. I'd have much, MUCH preferred Daniels to Romney, of course. But I think Romney would've made a good president.
 
I don't think that's what is going on here.

It looks to me like she's declaring independence to take potshots at the Biden Administration and the party as a former insider turned outsider....because it's the hook to her book. It's right there in the book's title and subtitle.

How transparently brazen can somebody get?

I need to update this.

Defenders of hers have made clear that the narrative of her book is not critical of President Biden. It's aimed at the people who pushed him out of the race.

OK, fair enough. But if I'm a Democrat and interested in the Democratic Party hanging on to the White House and keeping Trump out of it, don't I have some cause to be angry at Biden for running again, or staying in the race despite his infirmities...not to mention those around him who enabled that?

Wasn't it Biden's own choices that were responsible for the dilemma faced by the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, etal? I'm pretty sure that Harris at least performed better than Biden was on his way to doing.
 
Romney/Ryan was the best ticket the GOP has had in my lifetime. From my perspective, the best ticket that either party has offered since the Clinton admin. But people don't want to vote for serious people. They want clown shows and carnival barkers. We get what we deserve. Shit. Incompetence. Hackery. Intransigence.
The best since Reagan/Bush. The Tea Party and now MAGA claim to want fiscal responsibility while simultaneously declaring they don’t want Social Security or Medicare touched. These are incompatible desires. Too many of these self described Republicans voted for Obama over fiscal responsibility or didn’t vote so the ticket lost, then they voted for the fiscally irresponsible Republican candidate who promised not to touch Social Security and Medicare.
 
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I liked Romney ish until I watched his documentary. Was an amoeba. Paraphrasing I’ll say and be anything people want I just want this job

Is democracy about candidates giving the people what they want, or giving them a choice?
 
Is democracy about candidates giving the people what they want, or giving them a choice?
It’s a good point and in a representative democracy you’re correct. Representing the interests of your constituents and what they want. I’d still prefer to know the positions of my candidate. I hate AOC. I think she’s dumber than a bag of hammers. But I do believe she is sincere and genuine. I would trust her. I don’t think any of those things about Romney
 
I liked Romney ish until I watched his documentary. Was an amoeba. Paraphrasing I’ll say and be anything people want I just want this job

Weird. I watched that doc, and came away from it that a lot of the time he seemed to really question if it was even worth it. There was one part where they were sitting around with the family discussing pros and cons of running... And one of the cons they brought up was he'd actually have to be President.

He seemed to really dislike the campaigning and politicking. Was definitely not his strength.

Basically the polar opposite of some, who just like to hold rallies and give speeches, but don't actually care much about doing to long, hard work.
 
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Weird. I watched that doc, and came away from it that a lot of the time he seemed to really question if it was even worth it. There was one part where they were sitting around with the family discussing pros and cons of running... And one of the cons they brought up was he'd actually have to be President.

He seemed to really dislike the campaigning and politicking. Was definitely not his strength.
Maybe win instead of job. I can’t remember. I came away from the quote unimpressed. Like it was the next thing to achieve.

And he said a lot that was positive. Helping small biz etc.
 
It’s a good point and in a representative democracy you’re correct. Representing the interests of your constituents and what they want. I’d still prefer to know the positions of my candidate. I hate AOC. I think she’s dumber than a bag of hammers. But I do believe she is sincere and genuine. I would trust her. I don’t think any of those things about Romney

MM66, so you believe Romney isn't dumb but isn't genuine and sincere?

Thought Romney was genuine and sincere during his presidential campaign until he showed up one day wearing blue jeans. Have the same vibes when seeing Trump wearing a baseball cap.

Please guys, who are you kidding?
 
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MM66, so you believe Romney isn't dumb but isn't genuine and sincere?

Thought Romney was genuine and sincere during his presidential campaign until he showed up one day wearing blue jeans. Have the same vibes when seeing Trump wearing a baseball cap.

Please guys, who are you kidding?
He seemed like a very nice guy with a nice family and I’m sure he would have been fine. But the quote that I cant remember exactly bothered me.
 
He seemed like a very nice guy with a nice family and I’m sure he would have been fine. But the quote that I cant remember exactly bothered me.
Our daughter was an embedded reporter, jointly for The National Journal/MSNBC, in the Romney campaign for the 2008 GOP nomination. When the Romney campaign was near Cincinnati we had her and five other embeds (NYT, WAPO, etc) to our home for dinner before the campaign moved on. To a person they all said that Romney was a good man and would make a good president- “A little odd, maybe; he won’t eat cheese” - but not a one said they could/would ever vote for him.

Zero for six. He’s a “good man” but they could not conceive of ever voting for Romney. Not sure what this says beyond the obvious bias of the MSM. Maybe it says we were/are well on our way to never getting a normal nominee for president again. Centristy centrist candidates are likely dinosaurs.
 
Our daughter was an embedded reporter, jointly for The National Journal/MSNBC, in the Romney campaign for the 2008 GOP nomination. When the Romney campaign was near Cincinnati we had her and five other embeds (NYT, WAPO, etc) to our home for dinner before the campaign moved on. To a person they all said that Romney was a good man - “A little odd, maybe; he won’t eat cheese” - but not a one said they could/would ever vote for him.

Zero for six. He’s a “good man” but they could not conceive of ever voting for Romney. Not sure what this says beyond the obvious bias of the MSM. Maybe it says we were/are well on our way to never getting a normal nominee for president again. Centristy centrist candidates are likely dinosaurs.
Interesting. Agreed
 
Our daughter was an embedded reporter, jointly for The National Journal/MSNBC, in the Romney campaign for the 2008 GOP nomination.

Those gigs can lead to much bigger things if the stars align. Kasie Hunt and Katy Tur were assigned to Bernie and Trump respectively in 2016 for MSNBC, when the prospects of either candidate going very far were considered slim. Turned out differently of course, and Hunt and Tur have parlayed their exposure into their own shows on CNN and MSNBC.
 
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Those gigs can lead to much bigger things if the starts align. Kasie Hunt and Katy Tur were assigned to Bernie and Trump respectively in 2016 for MSNBC, when the prospects of either candidate going very far were considered slim. Turned out differently of course, and Hunt and Tur have parlayed their exposure into their own shows on CNN and MSNBC.
Maybe you could try watching Fox.
 
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