Can IU getnin trouble even though Bowen didn’t go to IU? Only mention was he was trying to work a deal out.
I'm not sure why so many folks here think that just because an agent initiated contact with an assistant coach, the assistant coach is automatically guilty. Are coaches supposed to just stop taking phone calls and block everybody from their email account? Look, neither Thomas Bryant nor OG signed with the agency in question. Nobody paid Brian Bowen to come to Indiana. If you offer me something illegal and I don't accept it, have I broken any laws by hearing or reading the offer? Until someone can prove more than these coaches listening to an agent, I don't see anything worth worrying about for IU or some of the other schools. For schools and coaches that accepted the offers and arranged for players to be paid, that's a different story.
Where does it say there was a "conversation?" What it says is one side perceived it was trying to work out a deal with the other side. It doesn't say the other side was interested. You are making that assumption. Assumptions don't get very far in the legal process.
Where is the Chuck Martin quote in that email? And by the way, even if there was a Chuck Martin quote in that email, it would be hearsay. You're welcome to keep responding, but I happen to, unlike most here, know what I am talking about.
What we all "think" took place isn't relevant. The piece of evidence in front of us does not even hint that a conversation took place. The evidence says only that one side was going to try to work out a deal. That's all there is. It says nothing regarding whether the other side even responded, let alone was interested. Speculation as to what happened means nothing in the legal world.
Could be a penalty for not reporting it, but I'm just guessing. Seems like a reasonable requirement to report to the compliance office and NCAA if a program is contacted about doing something impermissible. Obviously, if they've contacted your program, they're probably contacting others and someone might bite on the offer. In this case, it appears that Louisville bit.
I'd guess if this is all there is for IU, it might result in a warning or minimal penalty of some sort.
But IU turned them in, right? Martin hung up the phone, printed emails and texts, called Crean, called Compliance, notified the NCAA, right?
If IU got a phone call soliciting a pay for play deal involving a recruit, the IU compliance people would insist that it be fully vetted and reported to the NCAA. Failing to report such an incident would be a termination for cause issue for Martin and, if he knew, Crean.
You're welcome to question motives and speculate all you want. Out in the real world, though, message board speculation and "if this" and "if that" isn't evidence. "Motives" have to be proven by evidence, and that's going to be very hard to do even if some actual evidence suggesting Martin responded would come to light. And thanks for the kind tip, but it's not necessary for me to consult "lawyer friends."
It's all speculation on a message board . . . assumed that was obvious. Only suggested you consult "lawyer friends" because you made some cliched generalizations that wouldn't pass the smell test in the legal community. No offense intended.
No offense taken. My original reason for posting was simply to answer a question from bsmitty regarding whether IU could be in trouble. The bottom line is IU likely has little to worry about based on what's come to light. As I said, for the schools and coaches that made deals to pay players, that's a different story.
No issue with any of that. Martin, likely, will become radioactive when this is all said and done. KJ already is, by the way. Head coaches who rely on assistants to conduct the shadowy business of recruiting on the fringes of compliance will pay for the transgressions of their charges. And, hopefully, the NBA will end the nonsensical draft eligibility rules that keep kids out of the league who don't have any business in college. Oh, and while this may be the end for a number of coaches, I would be willing to bet that Mark Emmert will be swept out the door, too. He's really poor at his job.
Look, man, you're right to be concerned about this (assuming you're not just starting fights), but I don't think the original link documents how Martin responded, if he did.
Look. Some of these listings such as Jared Jefferies getting an amost 5$,000 dollar loan is after he declared for NBA. Nothing becomes of this and is stupid for it being listed,. Same wth Demetrius Jackson having dinner with agent after he declared. No penalties for this so why even list this.Kids going to certain colleges for amounts of money or benefits is a whole other matter. No way kids do not know parents are being paid.Coaches know too. No matter how much they will lie to clear themselves.Taking money such as loans with agencies after announcing for NBA is only a crime if they return to school. Thus forfeiting eligibility.
