The only thing toxic with Justin Smith was the coaching he was receiving at IU. You are correct he wouldn’t of made much of difference, because he wasn’t the issue. The issue is/was Archie.
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The only thing toxic with Justin Smith was the coaching he was receiving at IU. You are correct he wouldn’t of made much of difference, because he wasn’t the issue. The issue is/was Archie.
Players need coaching that sets high expectations and accountability. Archie apparently has done neither. Players haven't developed and Archie literally held no one accountable for poor performance. If he did, DG shouldn't have ever moved off the bench.
For every shot created there were multiple missed floaters, stupid passes, and jacked up three's when better shots could have been had. Relying on DG for anything was futile, he was so inconsistent. Inevitably if he made some great shots and a great pass he would eventually go cold and make stupid passes. The tournament appearance last year would have been brief.
When he transferred I thought, "oh well" never liked him much as a player, IU doesn't need him, bye. Now I'm chuckling at myself realizing he was the smart one getting out and leaving an underachieving program. Don't blame him from running as fast as he could away from Archie, and most of the IU players who give up any time they face adversity. Can't say I'm a fan of Justin, but give him credit for seeing the writing on the wall after last year. He's getting the last laugh now.
I'm no JS fan.
Half way through the season I would have agreed with you.
But he was much better in-conference at Arkansas v. in-conference at IU.
Per every 40 minutes played this year v. last year in-conference:
Ark: .612 on 2s, .333 on 3s (avg. .09 attempts/40M), 8.2 rebs, 2.5 assists, 1.4 steals, .6 BSs, 1.8 TOs, 15.4 pts
IU: .523 on 2s, .227 on 3s (avg 1.4 attempts/40M), 6.5 rebs, 1.3 assists, .8 steals, .3 BSs, 2.1 TOs, 12.3 pts
Which just goes to show you, Archie sucks.
Or could be the SEC isn’t as strong as the BIG and he is a year older. But keep that hate in your heart brother. Let it keep you warm at night.
complete agree but it’s more than we had this year.. he wasn’t the problem..personally don’t think any players are the problem.. it’s on the coach to develop the players
It could mean that, but he was still our leading returner in terms of minutes and a guy who definitely would’ve helped this team. Some of knew it then, and it’s even more obvious today.
I don’t disagree with that at all. He would have helped. If he and Brunk are both available this season we look totally different up front, Hunter slides to the 3, Franklin the 2 and imo we are a better team.
On the contrary. Justin seemed to care deeply about continuing to shoot at least one 3 per game to keep up that 24% average. I wonder how many years he would need to play to figure out he can't shoot threes. I'm thinking 14. At that point, I think Justin says: "you know what, I'm going to,hold onto to,this orange and see about passing it to someone who can shoot".
Maybe it’s because they have a coach that utilizes his players right. You think maybe their coach goes on 10 point runs but doesn’t sub players in to interrupt the flow. Our coach subs players in at the dumbest times way too often. That might have been why Smith had a so called attitude. I mean look at TJD who doesn’t smile, I guess his attitude is bad also. Try the one constant on those teams. It’s Miller!
I’m sorry that you obviously think the rest of the team shot high % from behind the line you clueless idiot.
So, besides TJD, who on IU is on the SEC all league team? JSmith leaving really hurt IU, regardless of the apologists minimizing his departure.
That is a difficult question to answer because it would completely depend on who they played for and of course what their numbers would be for that team in the sec.
Off the top of my head I would say Race Thompson who has similar numbers to Smith right now but a couple less ppg could be depending on which team he went to. Al Durham and Franklin both are averaging close to the same ppg as Smith so if their numbers increased slightly by being on a team without a TJD and playing in the sec then they could be.
I think you forgot to mention that he is also averaging 7 rb's a game and has more assists than turnovers on the season. One more stat that I think matters is that his team is 20-1 when he has been healthy. For a poor leader with a bad attitude, his team sure does seem to play well when he is there.
Exactly. You put JS on a different team with a different coach and balanced roster, and look what you get. If people can't juxtapose JS on Indiana with JS on Arkansas and see what is wrong with IU's program right now, I give up.
the board will assume those were all put backs and garbage points
He can play some.
But hell he's a senior ..He's played a lot of games .
Should have a crap load of confidence..
Good for him..
I never ever care about guy's who leave IU...
But hell he's a senior ..He's played a lot of games .
Should have a crap load of confidence..
Good for him..
I never ever care about guy's who leave IU...
I always thought it was a coaching problem. Every program has kids that are rough around the edges. A good coach knows how to harness their talents and work on their mental game.
Archie couldn’t do either.
JSmith just rang up 29/13 in the NCAA Tourney. Could IU have used JS inside with only Race and TJD that could play there? Keep your hate in your heart brother, as JS proved you and many other posters as fools. He can flat play.
Fools? Have you read any of my post on him? We absolutely could have used him and I have never denied that. With Brunk going down it made losing him HUGE. I just said that averaging 2 point and 1 rebound more on the year didn’t demonstrate that Coach Miller was a bad player developer which is what other poster were trying to say. His slight improvement in numbers is more likely the result of his role on his new team (no TJD), another year older and stronger, and the difference in game to game competition. I am rooting for Smith to succeed and hope he ends his career on a high.
