Johnell Davis
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Love your optimism, but Ware won't be back in Bloomington next season.
Last year’s bracket matrix, which is a compilation of all the media predictions, slated us as a four seed. It ranked us the 15th team overall in the tournament.
Why what? Be back in Bloomington?
He's literally a projected 1st round pick. Why would he come back?
I'm not here to crush any man's dreams, but if you want to hold on to the belief that Ware is coming back to school have at it.
Ok, that is actually a rational argument. Woodson, Galloway, Mgbako, etc. not coming back is made up.
Ware is projected to be a late first round pick. My prediction is that he will decide to come back another season to develop under Woodson and big NIL money. It could go either way.
Why would Ware leave money on the table to come back to IU to develop into a 1st round pick.....when he's already developed into a 1st round pick? I've never understood anybody who displays this sort of illogical measure.
To your first sentence, there is absolutely discussion and back-channeling taking place behind the scenes to replace Mike Woodson after this season. Will it happen? Who knows but that sentiment is not made up in the least. As far as Galloway and MM leaving/staying...who cares? Both are replaceable and both part of the reason why this year has been a major disappointment. Either of them leaving wouldn't shock me in the slightest. Why would Galloway want to return to this shit show to play out his collegiate career? MM hadn't even considered coming back to school up until the last few weeks. He will absolutely hire an agent this offseason and go through the process while keeping his collegiate and NIL options open. Saying one or both are back next year is 100% a guess.
I know I'll be reminiscing for years to come about the 2023 Hoosiers and their remarkable 23-12 season. That battle vs Miami in the Round of 32 was legendary stuff. Within 17 points of the S16! Definitely not unremarkable.
He could fall to the second round if he declares this year. That is a much different financial situation and commitment from the team than a lottery pick. Considering how much he has improved under Woodson from year one to year two, he might decide that it’s worth it to stay, improve his draft stock, and collect big NIL money. I predict the latter.
His stock falls even more with age. He's no longer a 19 year old with a modern skillset at this stage in the game able to be drafted on potential. He's injury prone and has come up lame several other times this year. He'd have to receive some absolutely terrible financial advice to come back to Indiana as he'd be leaving at minimum $12-15 million of guaranteed money on the table, money that dwarfs any NIL compensation he'd receive returning to college.
I'm starting to sense this might be a parody account. Change my mind.
Since you stated that he would be guaranteed $12-15 million dollars, the onus is on you to prove that is true.
The onus on me? The last pick in the 1st round is guaranteed ~$12mil over the shelf life of his first contract. Unless you think there's no way he's getting drafted in the 1st round next year, he would be foolish to return to Indiana. And returning to Indiana doesn't automatically make him a first round pick the following year, let alone a lottery pick. You can count on one hand the number of upperclassmen who are drafted in the 1st round of the NBA draft each year.
JHS was 17th in the 1st round and $4.5M/yr for 4 years.
Ware will develop his game as an NBA pro.
Ware will develop his game as an NBA pro.
I looked it up. You are right that the last pick of the first round, Kobe Brown, got $12 million guaranteed. The second pick of the second round, Jalen Pickett, got $6 million guaranteed. That is two picks after Brown. Jett Howard from Michigan was picked 11th and has $26 million guarenteed. If Ware came back and dominated he could potentially turn ~$10 million into ~$30 million playing one season of college basketball.
TJD dominated college basketball as an upperclassmen and still went 57th. Most mocks have Ware going 20-25th and think he has an outside chance at the lottery if he tests well at the combine. You do NOT come back as an upperclassmen for the sake of MAYBE only jumping 5-10 spots. Just asinine.
The only way Ware is back in Bloomington is if he receives terrible financial advice.
And by staying another year Ware would be risking an injury that could end any chance of being drafted at all.
NIL changes the calculation for a player who is borderline draftable. MM might be in this category. I don't think it changes the calculation at all for a first-rounder.
So you are saying he can’t improve his draft stock from his sophomore year to junior year because TJD was drafted 57th as a senior. I can’t think of a worse comparison. One thing I hope we can agree on though is that Woodson has done a great job developing him in one year, right?
please no more Galloway!!! I've never witnessed a coach's son clink so many free throws barely drawing iron.
Risking your draft stock by 5-10 spots when you're almost assuredly guaranteed to be a first round pick is moronic and a terrible business move. He's not coming back to Bloomington next year, deal with it.
Edey was projected as a mid second rounder last year, and improved his stock to near lottery from his junior to senior year. What’s your take on his decision?
Mid second round is debatable depending on NIL situation. His is probably good, though I haven't seen him doing any State Farm commercials.
First rounders should go. Zero upside to staying in college.
It’s a weaker class this year and Edey wasn’t a 19 year old skilled player. Edey has improved no doubt but these two couldn’t be anymore different players. Ware has handles and can score from all three levels. The NBA likes 18-19 year olds. Especially with his skill set.
The strength of the draft class will also be another factor to assess for Ware. I’m not saying he will come back. I’m saying it can make sense. I’m also a fan of Indiana basketball, so I hope he does come back.
If Edey was a projected first round pick after last season he would have left lol.
If you're a projected first round pick, you go......every time.
Not all projected first round picks get drafted in the first round. You haven’t accepted the financial and career downside risk of slipping to the second round despite being presented with an example.
You say the NBA likes Ware more than Edey, so are you predicting that Ware will be drafted above Edey?
Your odds of getting drafted in the first round as an upperclassmen significantly decrease, you understand that right.
Number of upperclassmen drafted in 1st rd by year the last 5 drafts
2023: 5 (zero lottery)
2022: 6 (2 lottery)
2021: 5 (2 lottery)
2020: 4 (zero lottery)
2019: 6 (2 lottery)
Again, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to walk away from guaranteed money.
They definitely like the freshman and sophomore studs. Ware is. Hes shown lots of improvement in intensity and toughness recently.
You are right about that. Woodson has done a great job in less than a year of working with him.
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