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We didn’t get the death penalty. In fact we didn’t get a penalty at all.
We would have gotten a penalty if we hadn't done it to ourselves.

I never said we got the death penalty. I said we 'essentially' got the death penalty. Sorry that was a little too subtle for you.

What do you mean, "we"?
 
We would have gotten a penalty if we hadn't done it to ourselves.

I never said we got the death penalty. I said we 'essentially' got the death penalty. Sorry that was a little too subtle for you.

What do you mean, "we"?
Losing 1 scholarship for 1 season is essentially the death penalty? Do you even know what the death penalty is? That’s like calling a rain drop essentially a hurricane. Get a clue man.
 
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Losing 1 scholarship for 1 season is essentially the death penalty? Do you even know what the death penalty is? That’s like calling a rain drop essentially a hurricane. Get a clue man.
You love to revel in your ignorance, don't you?
 
You love to revel in your ignorance, don't you?
You compared losing one scholarship to the death penalty. Because you have absolutely no idea what the death penalty actually was. Google can be your friend here.
 
You compared losing one scholarship to the death penalty. Because you have absolutely no idea what the death penalty actually was. Google can be your friend here.
I do know. That's why I said 'essentially', meaning almost the same as.

Look at Crean's first team - the one after we were found guilty - and tell me that wasn't a start-over.

I'm sorry you have reading comprehension problems.
 
IU chose to self implode. The NCAA Punishment was light. IU gave itself the death penalty because apparently the powers that be are big fans of Silas from The Da Vinci Code.
 
IU chose to self implode. The NCAA Punishment was light. IU gave itself the death penalty because apparently the powers that be are big fans of Silas from The Da Vinci Code.
Probably was Fred's fault, right?
 
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I do know. That's why I said 'essentially', meaning almost the same as.

Look at Crean's first team - the one after we were found guilty - and tell me that wasn't a start-over.

I'm sorry you have reading comprehension problems.
It wasn’t “essentially” anything close. Read what the death penalty actually was.

This was just a crappy coach that no one wanted to play for. We didn’t have any of the handcuffs that came with a death penalty.
 
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It wasn’t “essentially” anything close. Read what the death penalty actually was.

This was just a crappy coach that no one wanted to play for. We didn’t have any of the handcuffs that came with a death penalty.
Yeah, guys like Vic Oladipo didn't want to play for Crean. Crean didn't recruit any NBA guys.

I didn't care for Crean, but he had some very good recruits.

Go down Crean's first team and tell me who would start for Northwestern.
 
Yeah, guys like Vic Oladipo didn't want to play for Crean. Crean didn't recruit any NBA guys.

I didn't care for Crean, but he had some very good recruits.

Go down Crean's first team and tell me who would start for Northwestern.
You need to take a break and sit this one out for a bit. Get out a pen and paper.

When Crean arrived most of Sampson’s players were still at IU. They were not kicked off, they did not fail out, they were not forced to leave. They decided to leave after meeting Coach Clown aka Tommy Basketball.

That’s not the death penalty. That’s just a bad hire.

Now go ahead and trash the character of all those kids. It’s funny none of them had any problems at their next school. But, but, but...BAD KIDS!!
 
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You need to take a break and sit this one out for a bit. Get out a pen and paper.

When Crean arrived most of Sampson’s players were still at IU. They were not kicked off, they did not fail out, they were not forced to leave. They decided to leave after meeting Coach Clown aka Tommy Basketball.

That’s not the death penalty. That’s just a bad hire.

Now go ahead and trash the character of all those kids. It’s funny none of them had any problems at their next school. But, but, but...BAD KIDS!!

I won't continue to feed your psychosis

As they say, you can't fix stupid.
 
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You need to take a break and sit this one out for a bit. Get out a pen and paper.

When Crean arrived most of Sampson’s players were still at IU. They were not kicked off, they did not fail out, they were not forced to leave. They decided to leave after meeting Coach Clown aka Tommy Basketball.

That’s not the death penalty. That’s just a bad hire.

Now go ahead and trash the character of all those kids. It’s funny none of them had any problems at their next school. But, but, but...BAD KIDS!!
EJ and DJ (who was a senior) went to The League, and Ratliff, Stemler, and Mike White were seniors, so they didn't go to another school.

Jamarcus Ellis didn't go to another school.

Deandre Thomas went to Robert Morris, didn't play.

And then there's Armon Bassett .....

https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/05/02/report-former-iu-guard-armon-bassett-arrested/

https://www.tribstar.com/sports/loc...cle_6df44a4d-5132-5aca-a62f-647c45b83f03.html

You're not very intelligent, are you?

 
Have you not followed IU the last two years? Shocker coming...Allen and Archie.

Plus he completely fumbled the Wilson extension/firing. And don’t even get me started on giving Crean 9 years to run the basketball program in the ground.

He did not fumble the Wilson firing and he wanted to get rid of Crean a year earlier.
 
He did not fumble the Wilson firing and he wanted to get rid of Crean a year earlier.
He fired Wilson less than a year after doubling his salary and signing him to a long term deal and he loved Crean especially since he was only one year removed from a big 10 championship. Good thing someone dumped a golden goose on his desk.
 
He did not fumble the Wilson firing and he wanted to get rid of Crean a year earlier.
Then why didn’t he? He’s the AD. So he kept him through all those terrible years but wanted to fire him off a Big Ten championship and Sweet 16? You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.

And he should’ve fired Crean 6 years earlier.

So he handled the Wilson situation great?
 
EJ and DJ (who was a senior) went to The League, and Ratliff, Stemler, and Mike White were seniors, so they didn't go to another school.

Jamarcus Ellis didn't go to another school.

Deandre Thomas went to Robert Morris, didn't play.

And then there's Armon Bassett .....

https://www.insidethehall.com/2010/05/02/report-former-iu-guard-armon-bassett-arrested/

https://www.tribstar.com/sports/loc...cle_6df44a4d-5132-5aca-a62f-647c45b83f03.html

You're not very intelligent, are you?

So he could’ve kept Crawford, Holman, Bassett, McGee, Ellis, and Thomas? But they all told him thanks but no thanks? That’s a potential tournament roster big guy.
 
So he could’ve kept Crawford, Holman, Bassett, McGee, Ellis, and Thomas? But they all told him thanks but no thanks? That’s a potential tournament roster big guy.
You stated that none of the players had any issues at the schools they went to.

What about Bassett, specifically regarding the 1st article I linked?

Ellis didn't go to another school, and neither did Thomas (to play basketball). Why is that? Did they not have sufficient grades .....

https://www.hoosiersportsreport.com/2009/05/indianas-apr-still-epically-low/

..... or maybe they had other issues .....

https://web.archive.org/web/2008122...tar.com/article/20081218/SPORTS0601/812180410

You should stay in the shallow end of the pool, because you're clearly not capable of providing anything of substance.

 
You stated that none of the players had any issues at the schools they went to.

What about Bassett, specifically regarding the 1st article I linked?

Ellis didn't go to another school, and neither did Thomas (to play basketball). Why is that? Did they not have sufficient grades .....

https://www.hoosiersportsreport.com/2009/05/indianas-apr-still-epically-low/

..... or maybe they had other issues .....

https://web.archive.org/web/2008122...tar.com/article/20081218/SPORTS0601/812180410

You should stay in the shallow end of the pool, because you're clearly not capable of providing anything of substance.

Boy does that bring back a lot of bad memories.

Sampson just wrecked IU. Makes you wonder what was going on at his previous schools. Well, not really wonder, but the administration at those places must not have given a fig about any of it.
 
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Then why didn’t he? He’s the AD. So he kept him through all those terrible years but wanted to fire him off a Big Ten championship and Sweet 16? You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.

And he should’ve fired Crean 6 years earlier.

So he handled the Wilson situation great?

This has been explained multiple times.
 
He fired Wilson less than a year after doubling his salary and signing him to a long term deal and he loved Crean especially since he was only one year removed from a big 10 championship. Good thing someone dumped a golden goose on his desk.

Due process was followed in the open with Wilson, you apparently missed that. One BOD member kept Crean from being fired. Another BOD member who IU grads know well helped get the job done, regular members here know this from previous threads.
 
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So he could’ve kept Crawford, Holman, Bassett, McGee, Ellis, and Thomas? But they all told him thanks but no thanks? That’s a potential tournament roster big guy.

You obviously paid no attention at that point in time. Condolences on IU's win Sat. Congrats on PU's rebound.
 
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