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Gotcha. Sorry, he’s not Archie and Creighton has been better since his son left. The past 6 years have been his best run.

2020 - They won the Big East and was ranked 7th
2021 - 5 seed/SW 16
2022 - 9 seed/ 2nd round
2023 - 6 seed/ Elite 8
2024- 3 seed/SW 16
2025- 6-8 seed most likely

If Covid didn’t cancel the 2020 tourney they probably would have made the SW 16 4 out of the last 5 years. If Dolson hires McDermott, I’ll be happy. He will be the best hire since Sampson. He’s a good coach.
I'm not for anybody at the moment. I think there is something to be said the for a guy who has won national championhips 4 times at such a young age. Anybody like that would have to be super organized, be a good x and o guy, be a good teacher, and likely works his ass off.

In a perfect world Bruce Pearl would be the next coach IMO. Because we are no longer recognizing most forms of cheating in recruiting (i.e., it is a free for all), then why not him? He's won everywhere, recruits like a mofo and has some juice.

If you were looking for a short term solution to stablize a program and get over a bit of hump, why not look at PItiino? Maybe not ideal in our circumstance, but what he has done at St. Johns is really impressive. Not pinning for him either, but he's a winner.

I think we can all agree that we don't want a coach falling asleep during a recruit visit, who maybe doesn't show up at practice on time and who can't recruit guards to save his life. HS recruiting in basketball still matters, especially with the instate kids.
 
Bet Cig tops that. Also bet Leipold doesn’t match Bill Snyder’s years 5-10 at Kansas State.

If the next coach puts up comparable winning % and years as Leipold at IU bball, there are going to be a lot of dissatisfied fans.
Different sport, different school, different expectations.

KU football isn't IU basketball, obviously. Standards are different.

Leipold is to Kansas what Bill Mallory was to IU.
 
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I just want a coach who does not believe it is wrong to recruit shooters. I do not know why we have had a series of coaches that think shooting is useless.
Because they're not 'athletic' enough. Can't play defense, etc.

That was always the knock against Alford, too.

I guess our coaches thought it was better to have guys who were quick and could play defense but couldn't shoot.

I know people think I'm nuts, but I blame part of our shooting woes on Cook Hall. That's where we practice, guys go there to shoot on their own, etc. Used to be all practices were at Aseembly Hall. Way different shooting atmosphere at the two places. Just seems odd our shooting has gone to shit since Cook opened.
 
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Because they're not 'athletic' enough. Can't play defense, etc.

That was always the knock against Alford, too.

I guess our coaches thought it was better to have guys who were quick and could play defense but couldn't shoot.

I know people think I'm nuts, but I blame part of our shooting woes on Cook Hall. That's where we practice, guys go there to shoot on their own, etc. Used to be all practices were at Aseembly Hall. Way different shooting atmosphere at the two places. Just seems odd our shooting has gone to shit since Cook opened.
I don’t think this is nuts at all. Practice where you play. Background is important. Even then, the crowd background can make a difference versus shooting in an empty gym.

Back in the day, John Laskowski said that they loved to play at Illinois. The seating areas were not well-lit, thus darkening the areas behind the baskets. IU scored over 100 points in both the 73-74 and 74-75 seasons. Perfect background for shooters. I remember how dark it looked on TV.
 
I don’t think this is nuts at all. Practice where you play. Background is important. Even then, the crowd background can make a difference versus shooting in an empty gym.

Back in the day, John Laskowski said that they loved to play at Illinois. The seating areas were not well-lit, thus darkening the areas behind the baskets. IU scored over 100 points in both the 73-74 and 74-75 seasons. Perfect background for shooters. I remember how dark it looked on TV.
Purdue always seemed dark to me, too. Same thing - I think they kept the seating areas darker, with light on the court.
 
Where were the quick guys that could play defense? If you're going to pick one over the other, at least go all in on what you picked.
Yeah, I was being facetious.

Wasn't Carlysle supposed to be great defender?

You're right - pick an identity and recruit to it.
 
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Purdue always seemed dark to me, too. Same thing - I think they kept the seating areas darker, with light on the court.
I played on that court a few times as a kid, but the lighting was turned up throughout. It wasn't nearly as cavernous as AH seems to be when you're on that floor. I agree with your opinion about shooting in Cook instead of AH.
 
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I played on that court a few times as a kid, but the lighting was turned up throughout. It wasn't nearly as cavernous as AH seems to be when you're on that floor. I agree with your opinion about shooting in Cook instead of AH.
I convinced my daughter to go with her friends to a Purdue basketball camp. Her friends were neighbors and big Purdue fans. And Purdue women were really good at the time. I told her just to go and learn something.

The last day of camp, they had awards day, so I went and sat in the stands. After the awards, they announced that the campers could line up and get autographs from the PU women's team.

My daughter comes running up the stands to me and says "Let's go". I said "Aren't you going to get some autographs?". "No. Let's go".

I'm so proud of that girl.
 
I convinced my daughter to go with her friends to a Purdue basketball camp. Her friends were neighbors and big Purdue fans. And Purdue women were really good at the time. I told her just to go and learn something.

The last day of camp, they had awards day, so I went and sat in the stands. After the awards, they announced that the campers could line up and get autographs from the PU women's team.

My daughter comes running up the stands to me and says "Let's go". I said "Aren't you going to get some autographs?". "No. Let's go".

I'm so proud of that girl.
I went to Keady's camp there in the summer before my freshman year. I'm glad I did, because things just clicked for me mid-week and it changed me as a player. It wasn't from anything Keady said though. He did a welcome speech on Day 1 and handed me a trophy on the last day. The only times I saw him for the week.
 
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I went to Keady's camp there in the summer before my freshman year. I'm glad I did, because things just clicked for me mid-week and it changed me as a player. It wasn't from anything Keady said though. He did a welcome speech on Day 1 and handed me a trophy on the last day. The only times I saw him for the week.
I wish they'd have had those things when I was a kid.
 
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I'm not for anybody at the moment. I think there is something to be said the for a guy who has won national championhips 4 times at such a young age. Anybody like that would have to be super organized, be a good x and o guy, be a good teacher, and likely works his ass off.

In a perfect world Bruce Pearl would be the next coach IMO. Because we are no longer recognizing most forms of cheating in recruiting (i.e., it is a free for all), then why not him? He's won everywhere, recruits like a mofo and has some juice.

If you were looking for a short term solution to stablize a program and get over a bit of hump, why not look at PItiino? Maybe not ideal in our circumstance, but what he has done at St. Johns is really impressive. Not pinning for him either, but he's a winner.

I think we can all agree that we don't want a coach falling asleep during a recruit visit, who maybe doesn't show up at practice on time and who can't recruit guards to save his life. HS recruiting in basketball still matters, especially with the instate kids.

The Pearl ship sailed long ago. I was pushing him when we hired Davis, Sampson, Crean, and Miller. Maybe even Woodson.

But he would clash with the culture at IU. And, at this point, he’s at a place in his career where I seriously doubt he’d want to take on a job like Indiana’s.
 
I’d rather have the Drake coach than Brownell. His record has so many average unremarkable seasons. Hard pass
I’d really appreciate hearing from someone who can make the definitive case for Brownell. What am I missing here wrt him and his career? Seems like such a “meh” hire; you know, we’re bringing in a new head for the Geology department here at the old state school. * Polite clapping *

Where’s the fire? Remember “Purdue sucks and so does Michigan and Ohio State!”?

Is Brownell some great recruiter and talent developer? Has he won because of his technical ability and beating more talented teams? Are his teams tough and great defensively? Does he run an efficient offense, getting the ball to great shooters? Can he get guys to crash the boards? Does he recruit great guards, who can distribute but also create on their own?

Brownell just doesn’t seem like a coach at the top of everybody’s top coaches list. Hope I’m wrong, but this might be the guy.

Much rather have Pearl or Beard.

C’mon, Dolson, you can do better.
 
I’d really appreciate hearing from someone who can make the definitive case for Brownell. What am I missing here wrt him and his career? Seems like such a “meh” hire; you know, we’re bringing in a new head for the Geology department here at the old state school. * Polite clapping *

Where’s the fire? Remember “Purdue sucks and so does Michigan and Ohio State!”?

Is Brownell some great recruiter and talent developer? Has he won because of his technical ability and beating more talented teams? Are his teams tough and great defensively? Does he run an efficient offense, getting the ball to great shooters? Can he get guys to crash the boards? Does he recruit great guards, who can distribute but also create on their own?

Brownell just doesn’t seem like a coach at the top of everybody’s top coaches list. Hope I’m wrong, but this might be the guy.

Much rather have Pearl or Beard.

C’mon, Dolson, you can do better.
Boringggggggggg

 
We're gonna screw this hire up.

They won't hire Beard because of the alleged DV incident.

They can't hire McCollum because they can't afford to take a chance like that and we'll watch him make Iowa relevant after Francis is booted.

Pearl is a no-go because he's got Auburn rolling and his kid is the coach in waiting.

We'll end up with some Mick Cronin type who will be just a step above mediocrity.
Not even gonna get a step above mediocrity with Brownell.
 
Brownell and McDermott would be unmitigated disasters. That said no one has a clue who Dolson is hiring. Expect it to be a name that was mentioned but that no one expected to be hired. Not Beard or Wade unfortunately. Someone like Otz or Few.
 
Brownell and McDermott would be unmitigated disasters. That said no one has a clue who Dolson is hiring. Expect it to be a name that was mentioned but that no one expected to be hired. Not Beard or Wade unfortunately. Someone like Otz or Few.
We aren't getting Few. Stop it.
 
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Probably not. Someone out of left field that has been mentioned and everyone has been mentioned but that no one is expecting.
Who is your best guess? Me, I think it's Beard or McCollum.

I also think the Brownell talk is total bullshit.
 
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I think the money people would like to see Beard if his off court "issues" can be reconciled. If they can't get over that hump <eg> then they'll go for a Cig type hire with McCollum.
Beard’s road back probably requires owning up to some blame, saying all the right things, and then doing some work on himself.

I think he consciously chose not to do that for whatever reason. But as a result, it makes it too difficult and politically toxic for many to hire him.
 
Beard’s road back probably requires owning up to some blame, saying all the right things, and then doing some work on himself.

I think he consciously chose not to do that for whatever reason. But as a result, it makes it too difficult and politically toxic for many to hire him.

My suspicion -- and that's all it is -- is that he likes to drink and doesn't handled it well. The DV incident was alcohol fueled, and I've seen one report that said he tried giving it up but that it was just "too hard" for him to not drink. If that's the case, that's a huge red flag. Especially after our experience with Wilson, that could be what keeps him out of Bloomington.
 
Brownell and McDermott would be unmitigated disasters. That said no one has a clue who Dolson is hiring. Expect it to be a name that was mentioned but that no one expected to be hired. Not Beard or Wade unfortunately. Someone like Otz or Few.
Brownell would be a bad hire and I’d prefer taking a flyer on McCollum if those were my two options to choose from. However, for the 5th time, McDermott is a damn good coach and would be a good hire.

He’s turned f#cking Creighton into a top 25 school. I don’t even know where Creighton is located. Is it in Canada? Greenland? Have you see the bums they get? Half their team looks like Billy Hoyle.
 
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My suspicion -- and that's all it is -- is that he likes to drink and doesn't handled it well. The DV incident was alcohol fueled, and I've seen one report that said he tried giving it up but that it was just "too hard" for him to not drink. If that's the case, that's a huge red flag. Especially after our experience with Wilson, that could be what keeps him out of Bloomington.
Debunked. He asks his teams, including the coaching staff, each season for everyone to give up a vice. Cell phones past 8 PM, candy, video games, beer. Seeing as we’re in the Lenten season this concept should not seem far fetched.

One season his was beer. The next it wasn’t.

End of story.
 
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Debunked. He asks his teams, including the coaching staff, each season for everyone to give up a vice. Cell phones past 8 PM, candy, video games, beer. Seeing as we’re in the Lenten season this concept should not seem far fetched.

One season his was beer. The next it wasn’t.

End of story.
Yeah I think that’s what people have picked up on in the reporting. My Austin peeps, though, said it was known down there that he and Trew drank too much.
 
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Yeah I think that’s what people have picked up on in the reporting. My Austin peeps, though, said it was known down there that he and Trew drank too much.
The Big 12 has a long storied history of lush coaches. Bob Huggins, Eddie Sutton, why do you think Bill Self had a heart attack at 59?

My older brother was a Jayhawk, stories of walking into a bar and seeing Self there putting them back alone are regular. Why do you think he’s best friends with Huggins?

Mark Few is a lush.

What do they all have in common aside from the drinking?

Hall of Famers.
 
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The Big 12 has a long storied history of lush coaches. Bob Huggins, Eddie Sutton, why do you think Bill Self had a heart attack at 59?

My older brother was a Jayhawk, stories of walking into a bar and seeing Self there putting them back alone are regular. Why do you think he’s best friends with Huggins?

Mark Few is a lush.

What do they all have in common aside from the drinking?

Hall of Famers.
Excellent!
 
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