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I would hypothesize (not assure you) there are likely different outcomes for kids who have always lived that way vs kids that are used to high frequency social contact and have it stripped from them.
It's time to live with Covid. No more shutdowns, no more school closings. Welcoming business. Putting in plainclothes cops
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After reading the Yale reading, sure, but you posted WebMD. I'd still argue the major threat of Delta was how aggressive it was, which is cited in all that has been posted.
WebMD cited the same study. So now you do agree that the Delta variant was more severe. Great.
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My younger kids got along much easier then my older child, who when we moved here was going into middle school.
If a kid is use to growing up playing outside, by themselves, using their imagination, it's no big deal to be without social interaction for long periods of time with kids their own age.
I think the parents (myself) had a lot to do with that.
Middle school math was gonna be the death of me.
Fing hell it's a joke. Impossible!! Boxes instead of problems. And mine never have textbooks. Only handouts with Sudoku puzzles for instructions.
And if you don't understand it instantly like some oracle your kid loses her shit. Hell. Pure hell. There's a great scene about it in The Incredibles where he's screaming THAT's NOT HOW YOU DO MATH
From the link you provided:
You want to change up and go directly to the Yale study now...go for it, but that's not what you originally posted. Read before you link something.
Everything in our school system is done on a chrome book, so they don't have text books to bring home....
I would literally just email the teacher and say we attempted the work and I nor insert daughters name don't understand how to do the problem. It was like i was taking finite. I was having nightmares thinking about what awaited the two of us in the morning from that blasted subject.
Oh my God. WebMD. Yale. They are all citing the same Lancelet report
Omicron, Delta, Alpha, and More: What To Know About the Coronavirus Variants
New variants are an expected part of the evolution of viruses, and that includes SARS CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Yale Medicine provides some background on key variants that have surfaced during the course of the pandemic.
www.yalemedicine.org
THIS IS FROM ABOVE IN THE YALE LINK: A report in the Lancet this past summer found that people in England had double the hospitalization risk with Delta than they did with Alpha, the previously dominant variant in that country.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview
COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
The Yale article and WebMd are pulling from Lancelet for their hospitalization findings. It's the same shit. They are both just republishing findings
The teachers making $100k+ aren’t in the inner city. They are in the “Chicagoland” suburbs. Where the public schools are really strong and yields results (supported by local property taxes that are a minimum double that of city of Chicago property taxes). Only the big money private schools downtown would have a high % of $100k+ earners (Frances Parker, Northside Prep, U of C Lab School, etc.). Another fun fact, to teach in the city of Chicago you must live in the city, the cost of living in the city is very high and quickly would erode a 80k-100k salary. Whereas a teacher in the suburbs can live in a lower cost district and work in a higher cost district. Inner city teaching is no picnic (that said, the school board/union are likely a bunch of undesirables), but shouldn’t necessarily reflect on a lot of the teachers in the city that are truly committed to delivering education to intercity youth.
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This is partly right. CPS does have 100k earners, though. The pay is very good for a large city system, especially when taking into account the COL:
CPS teachers out-earn many in other districts, but union says pay isn’t the whole picture and numbers can be misleading
Teachers in Chicago Public Schools earn more than many of their peers in other large urban districts, when adjusted for cost of living.
And remember, teachers only work about 42 weeks a year.
I'm curious about the private school salaries you mention. Do you have a link or other support for that? I'd love to see those numbers.
This is partly right. CPS does have 100k earners, though. The pay is very good for a large city system, especially when taking into account the COL:
CPS teachers out-earn many in other districts, but union says pay isn’t the whole picture and numbers can be misleading
Teachers in Chicago Public Schools earn more than many of their peers in other large urban districts, when adjusted for cost of living.www.chicagotribune.com
And remember, teachers only work about 42 weeks a year.
I'm curious about the private school salaries you mention. Do you have a link or other support for that? I'd love to see those numbers.
Cost of living vs. other metros is a different argument. Chicago suburb vs CPS, with cost of living factored in CPS does not pay as well as many suburban districts. Your point about 42 weeks is true (but that applies to all teachers not specific to CPS), however only speaking for my suburban district, while it is officially only 42 weeks, they conclude school ~June 10th and while school doesn’t start until mid August ~17th (9 weeks) the teachers tend to have a post week and 2 pre-weeks to the school year. One of our children is on a 504 plan for ad/hd, and our district / teachers are really good supporting him (the district itself is rated well which checks out). We sent the same child when he was 4 to Chicago Lab School for one year (tuition is more than most universities per year, but we had 1/2 off due to my wife working at the formerly GSB/now Chicago Booth (Alumni Affairs specifically). We had friends with students at a few of the other private schools listed that also served in capacities to have high level budget visibility (total of salary wages benefits) and teacher / student information that would be able to derive the salaries/compensation. This was 10 years ago when we still lived downtown. Now with the emergence of so many job posting / salary sites etc, there may be more information in the public domain.
My overall point is, CPS could be improved in 1000 ways and yes there is likely overpaid teachers/administrators milking the system. As a whole however, I don’t think too many teachers would select teaching at CPS vs the Chicago suburbs, unless they had a true passion for educating inner city youth.
You think teachers don’t work nights and weekend? Lmao. Have you heard of school shootings? It’s super fun to do school shooter drills with crying seven year olds and hide in a closet. Once again, I invite you to try it. ( just for doing their job… goodness are you lost)
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I agree with your overall point. Very true.
How did you like the Lab School? I have a friend who sent his three kids there (UofC prof) and he speaks pretty highly of it, although he admitted like any school, it has a few teachers who need to go.
We only did one year, moved to suburbs following summer with the arrival of son #2. Facilities were ridiculous (the new school building had opened a year or two prior). Our teacher was in her first year (I believe only year) at lab, so specifically with her not an outstanding experience, but likely would have tried a second year (kindergarten). However, the school benefits that so many of the students have one or both parents that are faculty at the university (those students tend to be well travelled, of diverse backgrounds, strong intelligence, etc.) therefore providing a learning environment supported by peers almost as much as teachers as you advance through the grades. For us the 50% discount and convenience for my wife to drop/pickup were more of a factor vs other public/private schools. Once in the suburbs we have been exclusively public.
My buddies wife works in the Chicago Public Schools and makes over 90k a year. Nobody disputes living in Chicago is expensive and is one reason why so many people are leaving. The property taxes are insane. But one reason the taxes are so high is the unions and all the pensions that have to be paid out.
Maybe in Chicago the private schools pay great but in general they pay less than a public school union job. You are also not in a union so the healtcare and retirement are not nearly as good. I know several women who teach in catholic schools and they do it becasue they believe in the mission and certainly not for the money. They have told me they could make far more money if they taught in a public school.This is partly right. CPS does have 100k earners, though. The pay is very good for a large city system, especially when taking into account the COL:
CPS teachers out-earn many in other districts, but union says pay isn’t the whole picture and numbers can be misleading
Teachers in Chicago Public Schools earn more than many of their peers in other large urban districts, when adjusted for cost of living.
And remember, teachers only work about 42 weeks a year.
I'm curious about the private school salaries you mention. Do you have a link or other support for that? I'd love to see those numbers.
I am not going to disagree except to say we don't know how safe the virus is. People with Spanish Flu we're more likely to get Parkinson's Disease. People who get chicken pox can get shingles later. People with untreated strep get rheumatic fever which causes heart problems later in life.
So we do not know necessarily what the vaccine does but we also have no idea what the novel coronavirus does.
How powerful are the teachers' unions in your state?
Have they been attending in-person?
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Did you just smoke crack? My wife is a teacher over 50 and what she might be exposed to is terrifying. Lazy, I don't think so, she and I de-facto have to get up at 4:30, so she is there by 7, when she doesn't need to be there till 8, but just get away from the coffee talk crowd that totally skirts masks
We know a lot more about the effects of vaccines on the body than we do about a novel virus. Research and human testing of mRNA vaccines has been underway for decades.
The Long History of mRNA Vaccines | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
A look at how this vaccine technology has been in the works for decades.
Similarly, human clinical trials were conducted for viral vector vaccines against several infectious diseases including Zika virus, influenza viruses, respiratory syncytial virus, HIV, and malaria, before the vaccines targeting
What she's exposed to is the same thing our children are exposed to. I don't understand why teachers, public school teachers to be clear, are distinguishable from so many other professions that in fairness are at greater risk. Brad posted data re same earlier in the thread.
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Yeah - sorry I thought you were asking about the union. They’ve been in person all year except this week because the Big O hit us.
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They've been online all year except for this week?
Do you mean they've been in school all year except this week?
"Teachers are about average in terms of their risk of hospitalization with COVID-19, when compared to other working-age adults," said lead researcher Dr. David McAllister, a professor of clinical epidemiology and medical informatics at the Institute of Health and Wellbeing at the University of Glasgow. "Unlike health care workers, teachers are not at increased risk of hospitalization with COVID-19, even when schools are open."
Using data from March 2020 to July 2021, McAllister and his colleagues collected information on more than 132,000 people with COVID-19, ages 21 to 65, and more than 1.3 million people from the general population, all in Scotland. They compared the risk of COVID-19 among teachers and their family members with health care workers and others.
Over the study period, the risk of being hospitalized with COVID-19 was less than 1% for teachers, health care workers and other adults, the researchers found.
After taking into account factors such as age, sex, ethnicity and economic status, the risk of being hospitalized with COVID-19 was about 50% lower among teachers and their family members than among the general population, the researchers noted."
" a professor of clinical epidemiology and medical informatics at the Institute of Health and Wellbeing at the University of Glasgow" .. all is well
Negative. Going to school is not an option. The cure is far worse than the disease. If I see/hear any indications that extended closures are in the offing I will immediately go private.
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Decades huh. I think viruses, Corona & otherwise may even predate that, but I don’t have a link...We know a lot more about the effects of vaccines on the body than we do about a novel virus. Research and human testing of mRNA vaccines has been underway for decades.
The Long History of mRNA Vaccines | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
A look at how this vaccine technology has been in the works for decades.publichealth.jhu.edu
Similarly, human clinical trials were conducted for viral vector vaccines against several infectious diseases including Zika virus, influenza viruses, respiratory syncytial virus, HIV, and malaria, before the vaccines targeting
