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Israel under attack from Hamas

Somehow lost in this thread is the failure of Israel's previously vaunted intelligence.

This article deals with this and in part states the following...

For Palestinians in Gaza, Israel’s eyes are never very far away. Surveillance drones buzz constantly from the skies. The highly-secured border is awash with security cameras and soldiers on guard. Intelligence agencies work sources and cyber capabilities to draw out a bevy of information.

But Israel’s eyes appeared to have been closed in the lead-up to an unprecedented onslaught by the militant Hamas group, which broke down Israeli border barriers and sent hundreds of militants into Israel to carry out a brazen attack that has killed hundreds and pushed the region toward conflict.
 
Somehow lost in this thread is the failure of Israel's previously vaunted intelligence.

This article deals with this and in part states the following...

For Palestinians in Gaza, Israel’s eyes are never very far away. Surveillance drones buzz constantly from the skies. The highly-secured border is awash with security cameras and soldiers on guard. Intelligence agencies work sources and cyber capabilities to draw out a bevy of information.

But Israel’s eyes appeared to have been closed in the lead-up to an unprecedented onslaught by the militant Hamas group, which broke down Israeli border barriers and sent hundreds of militants into Israel to carry out a brazen attack that has killed hundreds and pushed the region toward conflict.
I’m sure they’ll figure out the breach, but the timing is suspect with Netanyahu not in the PM role from June 2021 - December 2022. It seems much of the planning by Hamas would have taken place during this period.
 
I’m sure they’ll figure out the breach, but the timing is suspect with Netanyahu not in the PM role from June 2021 - December 2022. It seems much of the planning by Hamas would have taken place during this period.
Why in the world would that matter? Israeli intelligence are professionals. They do their job no matter what the government is. They simply struck out this time.
 
Here's another good one....along the same lines...."he heard the Messenger of Allah...saying 'The Antichrist will pass by.............Then Allah will afflict him with Muslims who kill him and his followers and the Jews will hide behind a tree or a rock and the rock or tree will say to the Muslim: There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"

I'm not interested in whataboutisms concerning Christianity as I am agnostic. However, it is clear Mohammad was a horrible person. When he could not convert Mecca to Islam, he became a bandit, followed thereafter by warload, murderer, pedo, and polygamist. He caused 600-800 captive men of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe to be beheaded (chilling when we consider the Israeli soldiers just beheaded by the terrorists......wonder where they got that idea?). He repeatedly declared "I have been made victorious through terror". Yes, there are references to Hell in the N.T., but nothing like the frequently repeated ravings in the Koran. And I'm pretty sure Christ never f*cked a 9 year old girl or beheaded anyone. Nor did he command his followers to Jihad to kill or be killed in the name of Christianity, with promises of wealth and virgins to follow.
 
Why in the world would that matter? Israeli intelligence are professionals. They do their job no matter what the government is. They simply struck out this time.

Goat, when visiting The Cooler it seems a good many of us look only to those at the top while seeing what you refer to as "professionals" as being swamp creatures.
 
You mean Hamas should be eradicated, I hope. Not Gaza.
Hamas and all in Gaza who support them.



Start at the 11 minute mark and you get a run down of the reasons. Around the 27 minute mark you come to the realization that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. They (The Gazans) all bear as much responsibility for the actions of the people they support as the Germans did for Nazi Germany.
 
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Hamas and all in Gaza who support them.



Start at the 11 minute mark and you get a run down of the reasons. Around the 27 minute mark you come to the realization that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. They (The Gazans) all bear as much responsibility for the actions of the people they support as the Germans did for Nazi Germany.
Hamas and Anyone who supports them should be eradicated from the earth is exactly what I meant.
We didn't eradicate the Germans. Or the Japanese for that matter. Eradicate Hamas for sure, but this whole "plus those who support them" is too close to genocide.
 
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I don't think they can stop at this point. They need to drive them into Egypt and turn it into dust.

The atrocities and videos coming out and just getting worse and worse.

That rave was like a sad metaphor for the West.......all those young people drinking, drugging, f*cking without a thought or concern in their brains, oblivious to the pack of wolves that was busy surrounding them.........
 
We didn't eradicate the Germans. Or the Japanese for that matter. Eradicate Hamas for sure, but this whole "plus those who support them" is too close to genocide.

I would think it would depend on what "those who support them" entails.

If someone was actively/knowingly aiding Hamas then I don't see them as an innocent bystander when it comes to repercussions.
 
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Hamas and Anyone who supports them should be eradicated from the earth is exactly what I meant.
Watch the Shapiro video I linked. You can skip the first 11 minutes as he gives a timeline but around the 11 minute mark you get a rundown of the atrocities they committed up to the 27 minute mark where a young Israeli child is being hit with a stick by young Arabs and told to call for his mother. Then you top it off with two more young kids held as hostages crying because a bunch of terrorists already murdered their older sister. You get the videos of women carted off as Muhammad (I will edit this but **** that guy) ordered his followers to do in the 7th century (a time in which Muslims have never progressed past) so they can be raped by the morlocks. Then you get videos of celebration from Australia to New York.

The problem is Islam. It is a belief system incompatible with the West. We have been at war with nearly since its inception. "But, but the moderates Crazy." Like the ones cheering the things happening in the video I linked from the 11 minute to the 30 minute mark? You know what they called a moderate Nazi in WW2? A Nazi. There are no moderates. Just people who aren't willing or in a position (yet) to get their hands dirty.
 
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Hamas and all in Gaza who support them.



Start at the 11 minute mark and you get a run down of the reasons. Around the 27 minute mark you come to the realization that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. They (The Gazans) all bear as much responsibility for the actions of the people they support as the Germans did for Nazi Germany.
same for the amount of stupidity
Yeah. I was listening to these protestors supporting Palestine. Screaming maniacally. Just foreign to me to care that much. And I know it’s inculcated. You presume all people just want the same basic things. But that’s not true I don’t think
 
Watch the Shapiro video I linked. You can skip the first 11 minutes as he gives a timeline but around the 11 minute mark you get a rundown of the atrocities they committed up to the 27 minute mark where a young Israeli child is being hit with a stick by young Arabs and told to call for his mother. Then you top it off with two more young kids held as hostages crying because a bunch of terrorists already murdered their older sister. You get the videos of women carted off as Muhammad (Piss Be Upon Him) ordered his followers to do in the 7th century (a time in which Muslims have never progressed past) so they can be raped by the morlocks. Then you get videos of celebration from Australia to New York.

The problem is Islam. It is a belief system incompatible with the West. We have been at war with nearly since its inception. "But, but the moderates Crazy." Like the ones cheering the things happening in the video I linked from the 11 minute to the 30 minute mark? You know what they called a moderate Nazi in WW2? A Nazi. There are no moderates. Just people who aren't willing or in a position (yet) to get their hands dirty.
So what? Kill all the Muslims? Forcibly convert them? Please translate your fear and hatred into a specific policy for us.
 
We didn't eradicate the Germans. Or the Japanese for that matter. Eradicate Hamas for sure, but this whole "plus those who support them" is too close to genocide.
No, we beat the holy **** out of them and then forced them to change their entire systems. Those who resisted died or were lucky enough to surrender after we tried to kill them and those who were left were forced to submit to Eisenhower and Mac Arthur.

The Japanese had to give up their Emperor. The Palestinians need to give up their delusion that they are going to clear out the Jews from the river to the sea. Any who cannot deal with that reality should be killed until they surrender and those who surrender should be relocated. Only then will you have peace.

(And I know fully we'll it won't happen. War is so terrible we don't ever let these things come to a final resolution anymore. So what we end up with is Neverending, unresolved conflict.)
 
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Watch the Shapiro video I linked. You can skip the first 11 minutes as he gives a timeline but around the 11 minute mark you get a rundown of the atrocities they committed up to the 27 minute mark where a young Israeli child is being hit with a stick by young Arabs and told to call for his mother. Then you top it off with two more young kids held as hostages crying because a bunch of terrorists already murdered their older sister. You get the videos of women carted off as Muhammad (Piss Be Upon Him) ordered his followers to do in the 7th century (a time in which Muslims have never progressed past) so they can be raped by the morlocks. Then you get videos of celebration from Australia to New York.

The problem is Islam. It is a belief system incompatible with the West. We have been at war with nearly since its inception. "But, but the moderates Crazy." Like the ones cheering the things happening in the video I linked from the 11 minute to the 30 minute mark? You know what they called a moderate Nazi in WW2? A Nazi. There are no moderates. Just people who aren't willing or in a position (yet) to get their hands dirty.

I don't see anyone condoning the hamas attack. The issue is with shapiro and other bull shit artists (like posters in this thread) that are trying to politicize it.

Oh my gosh, blinken wants restraint so more civilians don't die. That is so awful (sarcasm). That is a far cry from saying not to punish those who were responsible for the attack.
 
No, we beat the holy **** out of them and then forced them to change their entire systems. Those who resisted died or were lucky enough to surrender after we tried to kill them and those who were left were forced to submit to Eisenhower and Mac Arthur.

The Japanese had to give up their Emperor. The Palestinians need to give up their delusion that they are going to clear out the Jews from the river to the sea. Any who cannot deal with that reality should be killed until they surrender and those who surrender should be relocated. Only then will you have peace.

(And I know fully we'll it won't happen. War is so terrible we don't ever let these things come to a final resolution anymore. So what we end up with is Neverending, unresolved conflict.)
That sounds like forced conversion to me.
 
So what? Kill all the Muslims? Forcibly convert them? Please translate your fear and hatred into a specific policy for us.
Even believing there is a specific anti-hate policy is patronizing and arrogant. Unfortunately, we love to hate. Every serious issue is reduced to disparaging and hating people with whom we disagree. That is true here, there, and everywhere.
 
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Thank you for the terrorist position.
you conveniently left out that Israel attacked Palestinians for decades first, flat stole their land and continued to do so, and Hamas responded.

trying to promote this as totally one sided is being totally dishonest or totally ignorant.

i notice you didn't disagree with what i said.

you just didn't like my saying it.

i get a lot of that.

in fact, that characterizes the vast majority of responses i get to my posts.
 
I don't see anyone condoning the hamas attack. The issue is with shapiro and other bull shit artists (like posters in this thread) that are trying to politicize it.

Oh my gosh, blinken wants restraint so more civilians don't die. That is so awful (sarcasm). That is a far cry from saying not to punish those who were responsible for the attack.
Russia invaded Ukraine. Raped and murdered innocent people. Their comrades are just following suit in the Mideast.
 
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We didn't eradicate the Germans. Or the Japanese for that matter. Eradicate Hamas for sure, but this whole "plus those who support them" is too close to genocide.

Agreed..........quite the moral dilemma because the revenge attacks in large part can't be carried out against those who planned or performed the atrocities.......on the other hand, the adult population by and large supports Hamas and elected them in fair elections knowing that they advocate the destruction of Isreal.
 
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I don't see anyone condoning the hamas attack. The issue is with shapiro and other bull shit artists (like posters in this thread) that are trying to politicize it.

Oh my gosh, blinken wants restraint so more civilians don't die. That is so awful (sarcasm). That is a far cry from saying not to punish those who were responsible for the attack.
So I originally started out with a post that put my thoughts on your ability to put two concepts together and form a cogent thought into words. Besides that obvious broadside to start that I will hold off.

I would suggest you open the Shapuro video, you don't have to listen to the whole thing if it hurts your feewings but I want to disabuse you of the notion that no one was celebrating. The fact that you could think that just....anyways, Ben marks the chapters for you but if you go to the 36:38 point in the video, watch for a few minutes, and then get back to me with the idea that no one was celebrating.

Screw Anthony Blinken too. Restraint? You don't get to punch me in the face and then ask to talk and any of your friends calling for the same can shove it up their ass too.
 
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Even believing there is a specific anti-hate policy is patronizing and arrogant. Unfortunately, we love to hate. Every serious issue is reduced to disparaging and hating people with whom we disagree. That is true here, there, and everywhere.
Huh? All I'm asking is for people to stop pussy footing around. If you believe Islam is wholly incompatible with modern Western society, then tell me what we need to do about it.
 
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