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Israel under attack from Hamas

I spent a lot of the me yesterday looking at some of the X links provided in this thread. Definitely exposed to many disturbing videos one does not usually see.

As I plowed deeper is was surprised how much was fake or old (previous wars mainly).
 
Since you are all enjoying playing the blame game here, thought I’d throw in this one:
Hamas apparently knew how to get around Israel’s Iron Dome defenses. They probably learned this from Iran. Iran almost certainly got the information from Russia. And who gave it to Russia? Likely Donald Trump, at the request of his good buddy Putin.
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lmao I don't think even you believe that.
Look at Congress, the biggest Trump supporters are the "no more aid" crowd. He claims he could solve it in a day. Just about the only way that happens is tell Ukraine Russia keeps what they have, Russia will demand no western aid to Ukraine, no NATO, and a new government that is sympathetic to Moscow. Do you seriously think Putin takes less after the damage to Russia's economy, manpower, prestige?
 
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No need to have a high school degree with boobs like hers.
Not a fan of hers but ain’t that the truth. You listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton? They are bringing fire!!! Also running ads this am for a digital thing you can attach to your gun so you can practice at home. Even in the living room. If you haven’t been target practicing in the last 30 days you aren’t prepared to handle your weapon #facts
 
Wow...that's painting with a extremely WIDE brush. And it's just dumb and dangerous. Blindly and blanketly labeling people like that is going to get even more people hurt/killed.

It's also disgusting to try and play 'told you so' politics with this situation. In light of recent events, who gives a shit what some people might've blamed Ron DeSantis for?
Yeah, I'm sure that's embarrassing for you. Better not show it.....
 
Because by and large it is. Conservatives don't run around talking "colonizer" and "occupier". That is a leftist view of the world. Leftists and Nazis holding hands on this one singing kumbaya.

Y'all got a problem on your extremes as well.
Hamas are right-wing conservative religious nuts as are most mooslim terrorists, they are not liberals.

All of our enemies are conservatives. Iran, North Korea, Russia ... all of them .. but you go ahead with your fantasy view of the world .....

WTF?
 
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And, as I said, watchlist all of them and send somebody to physically visit the speaker. Those people are Dems like abortion clinic bombers and mass shooters are Republicans.
Do you think they vote Republican?
 
This is horrible. We all agree with that. There are horrible people in the US who chant all sorts of horrible things, and laud horrible events in and at rallies and protests. That's long been established.

There seems to be a common theme of trying to slot these types of things into some left-leaning worldview. I may have missed it, but no one is defending this here. No one is saying there are 'very fine people' on both sides.
*ahem* But you don't mind lumping all Trump supporters into the same group that caused violence on 1/6, do you?
 
Hamas are right-wing conservative religious nuts as are most mooslim terrorists, they are not liberals.

All of our enemies are conservatives. Iran, North Korea, Russia ... all of them .. but you go ahead with your fantasy view of the world .....

WTF?
I know labels don’t precisely translate but agree. Not sure how one could classify those regimes as liberal
 
Look at Congress, the biggest Trump supporters are the "no more aid" crowd. He claims he could solve it in a day. Just about the only way that happens is tell Ukraine Russia keeps what they have, Russia will demand no western aid to Ukraine, no NATO, and a new government that is sympathetic to Moscow. Do you seriously think Putin takes less after the damage to Russia's economy, manpower, prestige?
Just stop it. Putin had 4 years to invade Ukraine, after taking Crimea under Obama/Biden, and he didn't make a move. Trump armed Ukraine during those 4 years and strengthened NATO.

Your statement that Ukraine would be called Russia today is ridiculous and you know it.
 
Not a fan of hers but ain’t that the truth. You listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton? They are bringing fire!!! Also running ads this am for a digital thing you can attach to your gun so you can practice at home. Even in the living room. If you haven’t been target practicing in the last 30 days you aren’t prepared to handle your weapon #facts
I haven't listened to them. I've seen them on TV a few times. They took over from Limbaugh on quite a few stations, right?
 
We need to use the active voice:

Hamas murdered 9 United States citizens.

Forget Israel for a minute. What should the US response be to this?
Considering that there is potentially double digit American hostages, I would be surprised if there was not some sort of JSOC involvement.
 
No thanks on government intimidation for someone expressing their political views, no matter how abhorrent.
Is there any chance the organizers here have ties to terror groups? How would we know? I'm not saying visit them for their rhetoric but to "elicit their cooperation in rooting out terrorist organizations which might be using their obviously peace loving group as a front for recruitment and funding of terroristic activities".

They don't have to help. I don't care if they continue to have rallies but free speech is not always consequence free. Can't be. Impossible.

Do you think they vote Republican?
I hope they don't vote at all but I get your point. Just like mass shooters and abortion bombers vote Republican. We'd do well to steer towards the middle on both sides.
 
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Is there any chance the organizers here have ties to terror groups?
Kroll Show GIF
 
I know labels don’t precisely translate but agree. Not sure how one could classify those regimes as liberal
I’ll start by saying neither are liberal or conservative in the western world sense. Anyhoo leftist are for more centralized authoritarian control would be the connection. Conservatism is for more personal rights, less government control and etc.
 
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Thoughts and prayers for Zeke
It's funny how you get all bent out of shape when you think someone is being insulting, but then you endorse and encourage one poster calling out another for being stupid.

I said you made a stupid post, and you got so pissed you declared I was a failure at life. DANC calls Zeke stupid, and you think it's just hilarious.
 
Then use bigger bombs or ignore these threats for what they are, the desperation of men who will be dead within 90 days. Hamas rules Paletstine. Hamas invaded a sovreign nation and killed/kidnapped hundreds, maybe thousands.

Israel must snuff out the continued threat as quickly as possible for the sake of their own citizens. There should be little equivocation on how that occurs.

This might require a war to resolve. Saudi Arabia has been playing everyone for years. Both sides of the fence. Feet never touching the ground, just the piles of cash they keep getting fed. Iran has a populace that I'm pretty sure would move to democracy if the theocrats were removed. Syria is Russia's problem. Jordan/Lebanon will fall in line. Yemen - will do what SA tells them to do. Along with all the other petrostates.

The real problem is China/Russia, both of which will continue funding these states in perpetuity regardless of their leadership. Yay. Another cold war. Possbily a hot war in the ME. But we should let Israel fight it. With the best weapons' systems we can deliver them of course.
 
Wow...that's painting with a extremely WIDE brush. And it's just dumb and dangerous. Blindly and blanketly labeling people like that is going to get even more people hurt/killed.

It's also disgusting to try and play 'told you so' politics with this situation. In light of recent events, who gives a shit what some people might've blamed Ron DeSantis for?
Umm Ron DeSantis?
Hamas are right-wing conservative religious nuts as are most mooslim terrorists, they are not liberals.

All of our enemies are conservatives. Iran, North Korea, Russia ... all of them .. but you go ahead with your fantasy view of the world .....

WTF?
Very dumb. Lying face dog pony.
 
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Senator Lindsey Graham just said we should link the welfare of our kidnaped citizens directly to Iran and inform them that if they aren't released in good condition with the rest of the hostages we will destroy your oil refineries and put you out of business...

Seems doable... I doubt those are hardened targets... Could probably get them with standoff munitions...
 
You don't know what you're talking about. Communism is about as far left as you can get . It's even more left than your socialism.
On paper the Russian Federation is a federal democratic state, but in practice it’s a dictatorship, run by Putin. You’re thinking USSR, which folded over 30 years ago. It’s as right wing as you can get.
 
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It's funny how you get all bent out of shape when you think someone is being insulting, but then you endorse and encourage one poster calling out another for being stupid.

I said you made a stupid post, and you got so pissed you declared I was a failure at life. DANC calls Zeke stupid, and you think it's just hilarious.
What’s thought and prayers for Zeke have to do with anything?

And with your education and intelligence you have plenty of time.
 
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On paper the Russian Federation is a federal democratic state, but in practice it’s a dictatorship, run by Putin. You’re thinking USSR, which folded over 30 years ago. It’s as right wing as you can get.
North Korea, China, Cuba are still considered communist and while I didn't mention Russia specifically it is considered somewhat Socialist despite left wing media. Putin was a member of the communist party for over 20 years and was very upset at the fall of the USSR and has since tried to in his way to bring it back to the beliefs of Stalin and the USSR. Putin thinks he can rebuild the USSR.
 
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