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Israel under attack from Hamas

Saw some dumb bitches standing on the median this morning waving Palestinian flags as Chicago Marathon runners went by in droves. Blood boiling.

It’s even worse in places like London or Paris.
Have you ever written a post without using derogatory names? Bitches seems to be one of your favorites…
 
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No, we should just ignore the actions of a brain-dead geriatric who is giving money to the main funder of Middle East terrorism.
Aren’t you supposed to try to be serious here when discussing a situation this grave
 
Have you ever written a post without using derogatory names? Bitches seems to be one of your favorites…
Yeah. I apologize Zeke. I don’t know you personally so I shouldn't exercise the B word with you.

Women that parade the Palestinian flags the day after an 700 person Israeli slaughter via Palestinians?

They are bitches. No ifs, ands or butts about it.
 
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Hezbollah doesn't have the hostages, Hamas does. That school is in southern Lebanon, that is Hezbollah.

(It gets confusing because every Arab country has its own terrorist group. Oil and terrorism, that is their exports.)
Hezbollah won’t leave their entrenchments to expose themselves to IDF fire
 
Stop with the Biden sending Iran $6 billion nonsense. It’s been discussed ad nauseam and has nothing to do with this.
The post was about Biden thinking he can negotiate with terrorists like Iran.

So what’s to stop Iran from using the $6 billion to buy food and medicine and then use the $6 billion they didn’t have to use out of their funds for food and medicine and send it to terrorists?
 
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I still don't think the idiotic Biden voters can comprehend what they've done.

Oh good Lord. It’s funny seeing the blame placed here by people who know very little about what’s going on. I don’t pretend to. But checking social media and many, many Jewish friends, don’t seem to be blaming Biden administration. Interesting, isn’t it?
 
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Stop with the Biden sending Iran $6 billion nonsense. It’s been discussed ad nauseam and has nothing to do with this.

Do know the meaning of fungible?

Think of it as spending from your savings account instead of your checking because you know money is coming into your savings. Now, change the account title of checking to terrorism and savings to humanitarian.
 
Do know the meaning of fungible?

Think of it as spending from your savings account instead of your checking because you know money is coming into your savings. Now, change the account title of checking to terrorism and savings to humanitarian.
No she doesn’t.
 
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Possibly they needed to get resupplied from Iran, Qatar and others. I think they did recon and realized the Israelis were lax on their defenses since things had been more calm for the past few months.

I think they have the same confidence now as any recent time, even if it’s low. They are banking on support.

What makes the whole Iranian situation complicated are things like this:



The people of Iran clearly aren’t aligned with their government, at least as of now.
I saw that too. Made me sad… thinking what’s awaiting many of them.
 
I was trying to be polite. My stones are great.
Just running a little low from the honeymoon.
See You Later Goodbye GIF by Kiaundra Jackson
 
The post was about Biden thinking he can negotiate with terrorists like Iran.

So what’s to stop Iran from using the $6 billion to buy food and medicine and then use the $6 billion they didn’t have to use out of their funds for food and medicine and send it to terrorists?
He didn’t give them money. He released the money they already had. That money hasn’t even been released for food or anything else yet.
 
Oh good Lord. It’s funny seeing the blame placed here by people who know very little about what’s going on. I don’t pretend to. But checking social media and many, many Jewish friends, don’t seem to be blaming Biden administration. Interesting, isn’t it?
Haha Biden and his administration handed over 6 billion to those evil fvckers. It’s the worst administration in the history.
 
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President Joe Biden, has not and will not speak publicly to the Israeli war today.

Apparently Saturday night at 2 AM Eastern time while the initial Hamas attacks were being carried out, we elected not to wake the elderly gentleman from his slumber.

Anyone going to try and defend this?
Except it’s not true. He made a statement, he spoke to Netanyahu. What’s to defend?
 
Oh good Lord. It’s funny seeing the blame placed here by people who know very little about what’s going on. I don’t pretend to. But checking social media and many, many American Jewish friends, don’t seem to be blaming Biden administration. Interesting, isn’t it?
Fify.
 
Oh good Lord. It’s funny seeing the blame placed here by people who know very little about what’s going on. I don’t pretend to. But checking social media and many, many Jewish friends, don’t seem to be blaming Biden administration. Interesting, isn’t it?
The true barometer of EVERY issue, Zeke’s legendary friend network. 🤣🤣🤣
 
The true barometer of EVERY issue, Zeke’s legendary friend network. 🤣🤣🤣
You know where I worked, right? I follow hundreds of Jewish friends and read their sources. So yeah….
 
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He didn’t give them money. He released the money they already had. That money hasn’t even been released for food or anything else yet.
There are good arguments for why he should have made the deal, but this isn't one of them. At the end of the day, it's money we controlled, and now they control it, and money is money.
 
21 year-old Cavalry Buck Sergeants didn't have a lot of interaction revealing spies.

SMH...

I get that, one of the Vietnam books I read explained we never got spies in the NVA or Charlie. Think about all the people that knew of Tet, but we didn't.

We were caught by surprise when the Shah collapsed. The Libyan revolt came out of nowhere to us. 9/11 was a shock. The Berlin Wall being built was a surprise. The dismantling of the Berlin Wall wasn't predicted. We didn't know Sadat was going to be assassinated. If you want to go back, Pearl was unforseen. North Korean invasion was a shock, Chinese coming into the war surprised us.

Things I have read have suggested we are great at tech, horrible at recruiting. Especially in the Middle East where Americans are not at all liked.
 
This is a tough discussion to have with emotions running high and these images streaming in. But here goes:

1. The rhetoric on here is tending towards full-on genocide of Palestinians. Dehumanizing the Palestinians is helpful only if your ultimate goal is to justify killing all of them. I get where that desire comes from--anger. And for the Israelis--fear. I feel the draw of it, too. But there are nearly 2 million Palestinian human beings living in Gaza. Are they all at fault? The babies? The little children? The common man? (If the goal posters are talking about is destroying Hamas (and Hezbollah?) as an organization and its people, I agree. But as we've seen over the last 20+ years, killing a pernicious ideology isn't something we are very good at.)
Up front, I don't necessarily want to see children killed and I am not advocating genocide but what I am probably going to advocate is going to sound really, really harsh. That said, here we go.

I have a dim view of Islam. That view is even more dim as it is practiced in the Middle East. I view it as the religious equivalent of Nazism. The religion is built on antipathy (at best) down to hatred of those religious groups and people's who do not believe as they do. I think polling of Islam's adherents around the world, and particularly its Middle Eastern adherents, would show that the terrorists like Hamas aren't extremists. They are those most committed to carrying out the beliefs of the majority. And the majority hate Jews and they hate us.

So why that backdrop? Because I am of the belief that places like Gaza need to be convinced to reform. Think of it like de-Nazification. You can't do that until they have been beaten to the point where their defeat is not in question. Total war like we visited on the Japanese and Germans.
2. This is a travesty and it's going to get much worse. The current horrors were inflicted by groups of Palestinians. They are the most directly at fault for what will come. And they can only have undertook these horrible, inexcusable actions because they looked upon the Israelis as evil animals. From what I've seen, that outlook is rampant in Palestinian society. The flip-side of that coin is true, too, but less so among Israeli society, where a lesser % feel Palestinians are evil and need to be exterminated. But there are enough, I think, to make this a real concern and puts a Palestinian genocide in play as a real risk.
They won't face genocide. The Israelis are Western in their outlook. They do things like tap buildings to warn people to get out before they level them. If anything the Israelis are over concerned with collateral damage and that often lets the intended targets escape along with the people they hide behind.
3. No, I am not drawing a moral equivalence between the two societies, and no, I don't consider the IDF and Hamas morally equivalent, either. Obviously, Israel has to protect itself. To do that, it is now going to have to kill a lot of people, and because of the way Hamas operates, that's going to include more innocents than it would otherwise.

But we don't have to be gleeful about it and we don't have to be callous or ignorant of the human suffering that is about to occur to innocents throughout the region, do we?
I have no love for those people. They bombed the Marine barracks in Beirut when I was 4. They murdered people in restaurants in Israel throughout my teens. They bombed the WTC when I was 15. When I was 16 they bombed a Argentine/Jewish mutual cooperation center in Argentina. When I was 22 they destroyed the WTC, attacked the Pentagon, and crashed another plane in Pennsylvania. Then came 20 years of dealing with them. These are just small points. And almost all of these were celebrated across the Muslim world. And this is where someone says that these were all acts perpetrated by different groups. And I say exactly. Different groups, different countries, one common thread. Do I wish for civilians to be targeted? No. Children? Obviously not. However, do I feel hostility to people from that part of the world and their religion? Yes. And I have over 40 years of experiences and incidents to support why. And the civilians support these people....so when the blow back hits them, kind of hard to feel sorry they are facing the consequences of their support.
4. In terms of US interests or even Israeli, is it really a good idea to "level" Gaza? Exterminate all Palestinians within Israel? Think of the regional repercussions. Think of how the Muslim community will blame the world-wide Satan, the USA for it. This is EXACTLY what Hamas wants--they know they can never militarily defeat Israel, so they want to keep provoking it and chipping away at its international legitimacy so that the regional powers will come in and destroy it. They do this by downplaying their acts and then amplifying, televising, tweeting, etc. all IDF acts as much as possible.
Exterminate? No. Make them the recipients of Total War? Yes.
5. If we aren't sending troops to Ukraine, do we really want to put boots on the ground again in the Middle East? How many wars can we fight? How many can we afford?
We don't need boots on the ground and I don't believe in the idea of us trying to bring these people into the present. We don't live close enough to them to have that as a necessity. Our job is to let the Israelis do what needs done in the face of antisemitic fueled criticism they always receive when they defend themselves. I would like revenge for our citizens Hamas killed. I blame them and Iran. We don't have to go whole hog, but things like assassinating Soleimani should be on the table for Iran and Hamas.

I have seen the videos. I want blood.
 
I get that, one of the Vietnam books I read explained we never got spies in the NVA or Charlie. Think about all the people that knew of Tet, but we didn't.

We were caught by surprise when the Shah collapsed. The Libyan revolt came out of nowhere to us. 9/11 was a shock. The Berlin Wall being built was a surprise. The dismantling of the Berlin Wall wasn't predicted. We didn't know Sadat was going to be assassinated. If you want to go back, Pearl was unforseen. North Korean invasion was a shock, Chinese coming into the war surprised us.

Things I have read have suggested we are great at tech, horrible at recruiting. Especially in the Middle East where Americans are not at all liked.
What?!!! Don’t we have Carrie mathison’s and Peter Quinn’s over there diggin up dirt?!
 
Just read that one of my girl’s sister in law was at music festival. When Dad heard what was going on, he took off for there. Neither one have been heard from since.
 
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Who has ties with Iran, and is currently in their own war?

And who would benefit from the rest of the world turning their attention to this new war in Israel?

And why is this not obvious to EVERYONE?

And can this main connection be obviously true, and the main driver and concern…at the same time as acknowledging and worrying about how our own administration probably has handled the whole thing poorly…while also acknowledging our previous administrations assault on basically all of our functioning parts of the government, including our intelligence communities, obviously has played a role in our diminished abilities to be prepared for things like this.
My neighbors went to Church this morning and when they returned, the Russians had shit in the hall..
 
Dan Carlin from Hardcore History weighs in…

This plays into the hands of hardliners on both sides. Pity the civilians (on both sides) are victimized.

Quite.
I’d say the scale of the attack raised the ante exponentially… a reported 1000 ‘Hamas terrorists’ crossed the Gaza border with Isreal. That is regimental strength … not an independent terror cell or squad … of say 10 or 12 people. Beyond indiscriminate acts of terror, there were military objectives. This was an invasion.

Occupying Gaza under martial law is a possible if not probable response. Can’t let a committed enemy have respite to do the same thing in 5 years.
 
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