They’re fighting a proxy war with KSA. But attacking the airspace of a usually-neutral wealthy nation is just going to bring UAE and others into the fray. If anything, this gives the US a green light to stage a massive attack force in Qatar.
Israel attacks Iran's nuclear and military infrastructure.
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Yep, that ancient Arab versus Persian thing.
Many of us overlook the Muslims have their differences.
Interesting that the SecDef said yesterday morning that, “our boys in those bombers are on their way home right now.” Guess he didn't realize at least one was a "girl."
A. How do you know how the female in the bomber identified?
B. God, you would have been a terrible, woke, DEI officer to work under if this is what you find “interesting”.
A. A woman is a woman, and a "girl" is a "girl." You think Hegseth is woke and would recognize anything else?
B. I was about as far from a woke, DEI officer as an officer could be. Go **** yourself, shithead.
Here's the good news:
Israel is doing exactly what they need to do to set the stage for Regime Change...
They took out 500 + of the morality enforcement wing of the IRG and put a hole in Evan Prison... If the Iranians don't rise up soon they'll never have a better chance...
Israel is doing exactly what they need to do to set the stage for Regime Change...
They took out 500 + of the morality enforcement wing of the IRG and put a hole in Evan Prison... If the Iranians don't rise up soon they'll never have a better chance...
Complete and Total Cease Fire (between Israel and Iran in 6 hours) just announced on FOX ...
Trump through 4.5 years is proving to be a bit of a foreign policy savant.
I just don’t see how regime change, regardless of how much we’d like to see Iran similar to how it was in 1979, can happen when the IRGC exists. Unless the leadership of the IRGC has been totally destroyed, I’m not seeing how civilians and the regular military can prevail. It would take a protracted ground war and then a forced change.
For it to work and have staying power, I think it would have to be a civil war.
Yep, and those in their 20s, 30s and 40s, who would fight that war, weren’t around for a “normal Iran.” They can only go by what they’ve been told by their parents and grandparents. Many may have no idea how Iran was a real country back in the day.
True, but they're restless:
Iranian youth and the protest movement in 2023: Drivers and limitations
Since the height of the protests in 2022, the government cracked down with a new degree of severity on the protesters, reducing their numbers on the street. Many leave if they can. Those who stay have adopted less visible shows of political and social dissatisfaction against the regime’s aggression.
Yeah, I would have like to have seen the Mullahs taken out and the IRG completely decimated by the Israelis...
I'd imagine their pilots are close to totally worn out by now though..., or more likely, they're running out of verifiable targets...
They've sown enough fear and distrust among the IRG that, if we're lucky, they'll nearly destroy themselves while hunting for shadows...
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While Netenyahu announced regime change as the goal, I wonder if he and Trump weren't setting that up as the opening negotiating position, knowing all along they were going to bomb these sites, and giving Iran something by reaching a peace deal afterwards.
They won’t. Too many of the men prefer to keep the women subservient & irrelevant in society. It’s their culture…
Hopefully. And that would make sense.
I feel bad for the Iranian people. I can’t escape the impression that there are a lot of people there who don’t want anything to do with a theocracy.
But, at the end of the day, it’s not our job to determine their government…or to rid the world of all its odious ones. And it’s a helluva mess when we try to, anyway.
76, often wonder whether it is Trump or Netanyahu calling our shots regarding Iran.
Personally, pleased with Trump not stressing regime change while moving in the direction of negotiations. Shows me, Trump isn't a Netanyahu puppet as once crossed my mind.
I honestly don’t think Trump has any desire to have a foreign policy legacy similar to GWB’s. He’s been a consistent critic of the Iraq War for a long time. I’ve always thought this was the primary reason that guys like Kristol and Cheney were so viscerally critical of him.
Agree, Trump in his transactional ways of thinking saw our GWB involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as no longer having the political support of the body politic.
I think if they had a situation where IRGC leadership and a popular president teamed up, they could probably pull off a coup. The Supreme Leader and Guardian Council can't stay in power without the military behind them.
The problem, of course, is that they appoint all the military and political leadership, so...seems unlikely. Just saying if the pieces were in place, I think it could work, because I don't think the theocracy could survive without the military support.
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