Is Woodson on the hot seat?
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A guy who built a DI program at IPFW, came with high recommendations from Izzo - and presumably Coach Knight - who knows college basketball well, is hungry to prove himself and is only in his mid 40s? I think it would have been interesting to see what he could have done had Woodson kept him around and handed things off to him.
I didn't say that. I'd basically try saying: "Mike, I'm not a bball lifer like you are, but bball people I know are questioning the shortcomings of this team (guards, depth, shooting, hustle, desire, offense, etc...) and ball is the most important program we have. Please explain to me how you're going to address these and what your plan is..."
It's like managing technical people: you don't have to have their knowledge to determine if they are doing their job and to correct shortcomings.
100% all he has now is three glorified recruiters who honestly are not even that great of recruiters. As average a coach as woodson is those guys are far worse they barely won the minnesota game last year when woodson was gone. An minnesota was down like three players and had to play a walk on.
I think most did not like the woodson hire at all but talked themselves into it because Fife and Matta were going to be around. Both are now gone and its woodson and his staff of recruiters.
I think I'd go with something along the lines of: "Mike, the boosters, alumni, fans and sponsors aren't happy with IU basketball right now. As the flagship athletic program at IU, we need to reach levels of success we're not reaching right now. We're very likely leaving a lot of money on the table because of it. We want you to succeed here, but the board of trustees, the president and I all want to see your plan on how things will change and how we'll get back to the success IU has enjoyed and expects of its basketball program. Things need to change and you need to start hitting the high water benchmarks in your contract. I'd love nothing more than to sign off on your Final Four and/or National Championship bonus, but we need to see - in believe in - your plan for how to get there."
In essence, tell him he's on a performance plan without actually spelling that out. If he's insulted or indignant about it, pound sand Mike.
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No. He’s made back-to-back NCAATs and is having a down year because portal guards didn’t want to commit with Galloway and Johnson coming back.If it looks like this next year he will be, but the calls for his job right now are premature.
LOL guards scared of Galloway? Wow we must have gone after some really bad guards I guess.
Yeah but that was different. One former player firing another. Woodson got the benefit of the doubt.
If there were an opening, I'd want a FULL search done, investigating a wide range of qualified candidates, and I'd have no trouble including Fife on that list. My question regarding Izzo though is that if he thought so highly of Dane, why would he let him walk? Seemed clear he wasn't the #1 assistant and I what else would you expect him to say?
I think at the time Izzo sort of acknowledged it was a lateral move without saying it, but also felt like going "home" to Indiana for Fife made sense.
Interesting point that Evans made here was that he was really surprised that Woody was hired because he was a guy who wasn't really in demand. He wasn't in demand as a head coach in the NBA (hadn't been a head coach in quite a while) and obviously not as a head coach in college.
That was a good point that I suppose I hadn't really thought about.
Obviously I could be way off on this...but from all the smoke, rumors, etc... it seemed like Dolson thought he was likely gonna get Stevens. And once he realized that wasn't going to happen, he might not have had a great group of backup candidates.
Hard for me to envision they'd raise all that money, make the move on Archie, if they didn't feel pretty solid about the next hire. And I really doubt Woody was one of the main guys initially, that would have motivated the donors to pony up the buyout money.
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and likely worse next year. One confirmed incoming recruit, possible 5-6 if not 7 portal or transfers. Could delete one of those by a late recruit signing but would still be a freshman. IMO you think this year is bad, wait until next year. Now before I get verbally pounded, I am not basing my "bad" on just a few B1G games ... it's the way HIS TEAMS have played for 2-1/2 years. There is a reason no team, NBA or college was after him to be a head coach. No discipline in the past is obvious as it will be on Friday when X is in the starting lineup. Yes I am old but I believe Brian Evans ex IU player for you youngsters, said it best on the JMV podcast.
and likely worse next year. One confirmed incoming recruit, possible 5-6 if not 7 portal or transfers. Could delete one of those by a late recruit signing but would still be a freshman. IMO you think this year is bad, wait until next year. Now before I get verbally pounded, I am not basing my "bad" on just a few B1G games ... it's the way HIS TEAMS have played for 2-1/2 years. There is a reason no team, NBA or college was after him to be a head coach. No discipline in the past is obvious as it will be on Friday when X is in the starting lineup. Yes I am old but I believe Brian Evans ex IU player for you youngsters, said it best on the JMV podcast.
i agree with your approach. No reason to be hesitant or wishy-washy. I'd want to know if there is a plan, and if so, what it is. I'd ask about the "2nd team" substitution pattern and whether he thinks it makes any sense with this roster. I'd question whether everyone on the staff has a purpose and is pulling their weight (I do think, however, that Fife and Matta are water over the dam at this point). I'd want to know his views on why Gunn & Banks aren't developing as hoped and why we can't rebound the basketball. You don't have to ask in an aggressive manner, but you have to ask.
Woodson has to understand that IU fans have had it after 20 years of this bs.
I am assuming those donors who put up a ton of money were not exactly happy they did so to hire Mike Woodson. I am guessing they thought or they were told we were getting Stevens or some big name. I am pretty sure they will not pony up the money to fire Woodson after they got burned already. If we had to settle for Woodson we may as well have waited another year to do a proper search.
He was only hired cause he went to IU and guys like Buckner and May screamed and yelled about getting an IU guy. That is it imo.
Why should he be, Two 20 game seasons. Two tournament appearances. 11 and 5 record now just because the team is having a low just like a marriage its not always a honey moon. He CMW will get it done. All of you fairweather fans and Hoosier quitters. The team is having troubles and all you guys whine because they are not playing the way you ant them too. I'M a shame of you guys, you call yourself fans . Fire the coach. He should retire. WE want Pearl ,May or Stevens. I guess you tell your wives the same thing when hard time comes. Let him direct the ship. Yes X ****d up and I would suspend him 1 game for hurting the team. He is not showing the leadership we need. Yes we didnot get another guard in the portal. All you can do is keep working,keep teaching, keep learning about the team.
I do not think he does I think he thinks we all love him because he went to IU 40 years ago. His buddies are all former players who likely kiss his behind. I think he probably lives in a bubble.
An interesting comment (interesting to me anyway)... "and now we're paying them to play" ...
Criticizing a college athlete...being paid to play...is becoming no different than complaining about any other paid professional (or even bad service from some poor kid working through college at the local restaurant)...
Good point . When Dane took over at IPFW , it was their 1st year in D1 . He built the program up , and his last year they had a winning record . Then he moved to MSU .
