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Is IU's concussion protocol more difficult than in the past?

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Or more difficult than other schools?
Or is this a new NCAA Standard concussion protocol that all D1 schools must now follow?
I have seen football players take a stinger and are "down" for a few minutes, go into the tent and come back out and play! And they likely had a slight concussion.
Phinisee dives for a loose ball, catches a knee or elbow to his head, continues to play for a while. And he is still out to IU Concussion protocol now for a 2nd week and 2nd game. Race Thompson has been out 2 months!! for IU concussion protocol from not even a game situation. I just never remember "Concussion Protocol" taking 2 weeks to over 2 months before an IU basketball player is cleared to play. I have never heard of other teams with this lengthy concussion protocols before. I just wonder if IU has a higher standard concussion protocol before an injured player can be allowed to return?
 
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I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. My experience, vicariously through friends with athlete kids, it's out of the hands of the school and staff. They take a baseline reading before the season to get a "normal" reading, and if you score outside of the acceptable range after an injury, you're out of commission until you score in the acceptable range. This seems exactly the same, as the coaches tend to distance themselves from it, until they player is approved to return.... its out of their hands and thats how they prefer to treat it in my experience.

I really don't think our beat writers are doing a very good job of reporting on this, as they should be providing these answers to the best of their ability. I know they don't want to anger the coaches/sources, but this to me seems an unusual circumstance with the # of injuries and the lack of information, so I think it's part of their job to get some answers or at least explain the protocol and type (Hunter) of injury or severity (Race). Never seen such lack of info/silence in such cases.
 
kkott said:
I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. My experience, vicariously through friends with athlete kids, it's out of the hands of the school and staff. They take a baseline reading before the season to get a "normal" reading, and if you score outside of the acceptable range after an injury, you're out of commission until you score in the acceptable range. This seems exactly the same, as the coaches tend to distance themselves from it, until they player is approved to return.... its out of their hands and thats how they prefer to treat it in my experience.

I really don't think our beat writers are doing a very good job of reporting on this, as they should be providing these answers to the best of their ability. I know they don't want to anger the coaches/sources, but this to me seems an unusual circumstance with the # of injuries and the lack of information, so I think it's part of their job to get some answers or at least explain the protocol and type (Hunter) of injury or severity (Race). Never seen such lack of info/silence in such cases.
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Since the health of the players is very important and has an effect on the team's productivity, I can understand wanting to know more about these issues. There are a lot of injuries. Does make one wonder what is different. Although one wonders if we just have more access with all the ways we have to gather information and to get it out to the fans. So are there more injuries? Is the protocol different?

On the other hand, privacy is also a big issue. That plus the coach, sometimes, doesn't really want to show his hand to the opposition..

Concussions are such a different animal altogether than other injury types. Reflecting on my own situation...

Why do I remember the words to Gilligan's Island theme song and can't remember anything about geometry? (*face palm... dws)
 
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kkott said:
I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. My experience, vicariously through friends with athlete kids, it's out of the hands of the school and staff. They take a baseline reading before the season to get a "normal" reading, and if you score outside of the acceptable range after an injury, you're out of commission until you score in the acceptable range. This seems exactly the same, as the coaches tend to distance themselves from it, until they player is approved to return.... its out of their hands and thats how they prefer to treat it in my experience.

I really don't think our beat writers are doing a very good job of reporting on this, as they should be providing these answers to the best of their ability. I know they don't want to anger the coaches/sources, but this to me seems an unusual circumstance with the # of injuries and the lack of information, so I think it's part of their job to get some answers or at least explain the protocol and type (Hunter) of injury or severity (Race). Never seen such lack of info/silence in such cases.
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Boy, I really agree with you about paragraph 2.........at the PCs they're not even asking about Thompson & Hunter. I realize the U doesn't want us to know, but I agree they should be asking, and also reporting what, is anything, they are seeing.

You know, I used to hate it when we had RMK and the Indy press beat writers were openly hostile & confrontational.......now it seems to me they've gone too far in the opposite direction.
 
IU? I'm Fine said:
Since the health of the players is very important and has an effect on the team's productivity, I can understand wanting to know more about these issues. There are a lot of injuries. Does make one wonder what is different. Although one wonders if we just have more access with all the ways we have to gather information and to get it out to the fans. So are there more injuries? Is the protocol different?

On the other hand, privacy is also a big issue. That plus the coach, sometimes, doesn't really want to show his hand to the opposition..

Concussions are such a different animal altogether than other injury types. Reflecting on my own situation...

Why do I remember the words to Gilligan's Island theme song and can't remember anything about geometry? (*face palm... dws)
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As to your paragraph 4, because geometry is optional, but the Gilligan's Island theme song is a necessity....duh
 
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HIPPA. Patients have a right to privacy. It is illegal for the coach, staff or anyone providing care to release any info, unless the patient approves of it. If a beat writer got a hold of info somehow, they also can not release this info to the public. The consequences of doing so are quite harsh, including jail time.
 
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The question is, has the current / new concussion protocol, recently changed? Not the HIPPA privacy act. The current IU concussion protocol itself should not be a secret? Did it somehow change in the last year or two and become much more stringent on their return? That is the real question, has the IU concussion protocol itself changed from the past? And is the current IU concussion protocol the same as other D1 schools? If so why don't we hear about players from other D1 and B1G schools being in concussion protocol for 2 weeks to over 2 months?
 
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I get the whole HIPPA thing, it would seem somewhere a happy medium on in game injuries?
 
DrQue said:
HIPPA. Patients have a right to privacy. It is illegal for the coach, staff or anyone providing care to release any info, unless the patient approves of it. If a beat writer got a hold of info somehow, they also can not release this info to the public. The consequences of doing so are quite harsh, including jail time.
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HIPPA has been around awhile. But there IS a difference between how much info we get from Archie about injuries and what we got from other coaches. He's much more tight-lipped. Is it because other coaches got player's permission? I have no idea.

But to the original point... I don't even remember hearing the phrase "concussion protocol" prior to this season.
 
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DrQue said:
HIPPA. Patients have a right to privacy. It is illegal for the coach, staff or anyone providing care to release any info, unless the patient approves of it. If a beat writer got a hold of info somehow, they also can not release this info to the public. The consequences of doing so are quite harsh, including jail time.
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Well, I'm a Panthers fan and the team, player, writers, etc... knew immediately that Cam was out with a shoulder injury and was likely having surgery, and we know and the staff acknowledges about concussions,and Zack's back... so there are different rules for different situations. I've never seen something be so secretive. They may not get answers, but I don't believe there's harm in asking general questions, or at least getting an explanation for what the rules/protocol are. You can always be told "no comment" or "I can't comment on that".

Just perusing ESPN's college page there's a story there that says UNC's Manley out with knee soreness, so just right there I know more about a player I've never heard of in 2 minutes than I do about Hunter who I'm very interested in, and looking for more info for weeks/months. 'Splain that one to me Lucy? Like I said, you may not get answers, but do your job and ask the questions.
 
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I heard Fisch on the radio with JMV last week talking about Race’s concussion; guess it was fairly severe. Discussion on him applying for a 6th year medical redshirt is very possible.
 
Tasmanian Devil said:
I heard Fisch on the radio with JMV last week talking about Race’s concussion; guess it was fairly severe. Discussion on him applying for a 6th year medical redshirt is very possible.
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If Race's concussion is so severe how can he go to class and concentrate, and how can he drive a vehicle?
 
Being out 2 weeks isn’t odd for a concussion. 2 months on the other hand is bizarre. Makes you wonder if there’s more to it.
 
DrQue said:
HIPPA. Patients have a right to privacy. It is illegal for the coach, staff or anyone providing care to release any info, unless the patient approves of it. If a beat writer got a hold of info somehow, they also can not release this info to the public. The consequences of doing so are quite harsh, including jail time.
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One would think that eventually a player’s parents come along to agree that it is okay for the public, especially fellow IU fans, to know their son’s injury status. It never happens, for whatever reason.
 
It can’t be a HIPPA violation to talk about injuries in general. Coaches talk about players at halftime and postgame all the time. They’re not getting HIPPA forms signed on the sidelines. I don’t know the specific rules but I believe this is Archie/IU’s choice not to release any info.
 
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ufo33 said:
The question is, has the current / new concussion protocol, recently changed? Not the HIPPA privacy act. The current IU concussion protocol itself should not be a secret? Did it somehow change in the last year or two and become much more stringent on their return? That is the real question, has the IU concussion protocol itself changed from the past? And is the current IU concussion protocol the same as other D1 schools? If so why don't we hear about players from other D1 and B1G schools being in concussion protocol for 2 weeks to over 2 months?
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THIS is what I think is most accurate. It’s not about putting players at risk, privacy or big games, it’s the seemingly different handling vs other programs even though protocols are fairly similar. That’s what reporters could delve into. No one wants to put players at risk. The responses accusing such are just silly
 
kkott said:
I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. My experience, vicariously through friends with athlete kids, it's out of the hands of the school and staff. They take a baseline reading before the season to get a "normal" reading, and if you score outside of the acceptable range after an injury, you're out of commission until you score in the acceptable range. This seems exactly the same, as the coaches tend to distance themselves from it, until they player is approved to return.... its out of their hands and thats how they prefer to treat it in my experience.

I really don't think our beat writers are doing a very good job of reporting on this, as they should be providing these answers to the best of their ability. I know they don't want to anger the coaches/sources, but this to me seems an unusual circumstance with the # of injuries and the lack of information, so I think it's part of their job to get some answers or at least explain the protocol and type (Hunter) of injury or severity (Race). Never seen such lack of info/silence in such cases.
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Absolutely correct. A baseline prior to the season is established and until you can meet that same baseline with the computer concussion test, your backside is in street clothes. Same for high school. Not sure about NBA.
 
I, for one, like the idea of being extra cautious (especially at this point in the year). First of all, these kids lives and health is more important than the game. Secondly, adversity breeds toughness. The best IU teams in history have won playing through injury problems. Morgan is the one guy I really would worry about being without, but the team does have depth. Playing that depth develops them further. I would love competing for the B10 championship, but the goal (especially with this very young team) is to be healthy and playing their best in March, to me. I guess just my rambling take on these injuries and seeming extreme caution with the guys....
 
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One would think that eventually a player’s parents come along to agree that it is okay for the public, especially fellow IU fans, to know their son’s injury status. It never happens, for whatever reason.
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I don't think that the parents could ok the release of information on their son.

I know that I could not get midterm grade information for my daughter which irritated me to no end since I was paying the bill. :confused:
 
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I don't think that the parents could ok the release of information on their son.

I know that I could not get midterm grade information for my daughter which irritated me to no end since I was paying the bill. :confused:
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I had the same problem with trying to get my daughter’s grades from Ivy Tech in Bloomington. Unless an 18+ year old signs a release saying it’s okay for the school to let an “outsider” see their grades they won’t do it. I guess I’m just surprised some of these IU basketball parents don’t release the info about their kid under their own volition, just as a favor to the fans, if no one else- we’re not talking AIDS here, right? (assuming even they are allowed to know how their kid is progressing). I miss the days of transparency. Our society has become so guarded. Why is that?
 
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Because our society has also become so litigious . . . :(
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Litigious...but WHY, daddy? Ans. - Too many money hungry people seeing billboard advertisements from too many money hungry attorney's working under pressure for too many money hungry law firms. It's only going to get worse, folks. We've created a monster and the monster is us!
 
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Question: Is IU's concussion protocol more difficult to pass than at other D1 schools?
 
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Question: Is IU's concussion protocol more difficult to pass than at other D1 schools?
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I don't have the answer to your question, but in similar vein, it would also be nice to know how many other players in college are missing playing time now under the auspices of "concussion protocol". It's one thing to play it safe during the early preseason, but I can't help but wonder if come tourney time, pressure won't be put on medical personnel to produce a more favorable diagnosis/prognosis. One might argue that it is not a school decision but one of medical experts outside the school, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking medical personnel aren't sports fans, too. Let's see Zion Williamson of Duke trying to grab a rebound while receiving an elbow to the side of his head during the first weekend of the East Regional. Something tells me they would make sure the examining doctor wasn't a UNC grad.
 
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Is this another case of IU being overly cautious. Why dont I hear players in concussion protocol for several weeks to over two months from Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Michigan State, Gonzaga? If any of the starters from these schools have a player catch a knee or elbow to rhe head during the NCAA Tournament would they be out several weeks to over a month essentially wiping out their NCAA Tournament run? I doubt it.
 
ufo33 said:
Is this another case of IU being overly cautious. Why dont I hear players in concussion protocol for several weeks to over two months from Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Michigan State, Gonzaga? If any of the starters from these schools have a player catch a knee or elbow to rhe head during the NCAA Tournament would they be out several weeks to over a month essentially wiping out their NCAA Tournament run? I doubt it.
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Please stop talking as if you know anything about it.
 
rikki-tikka-tava said:
Please stop talking as if you know anything about it.
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I asked the question. If you have knowledge on it please share. Are other teams having players missing several weeks and months due to concussion protocol? I can never remember this happening at IU to several players before.
 
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I asked the question. If you have knowledge on it please share. Are other teams having players missing several weeks and months due to concussion protocol? I can never remember this happening at IU to several players before.
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Clemson, Florida, Georgetown .. and 2 other teams.
 
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Being out 2 weeks isn’t odd for a concussion. 2 months on the other hand is bizarre. Makes you wonder if there’s more to it.
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ufo33 said:
If Race's concussion is so severe how can he go to class and concentrate, and how can he drive a vehicle?
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Attending class or driving is a bit different than competing physically. He may have a minor TBI (traumatic brain Injury) which would affect his balance, vision and reaction times. Could take up to 6 months for a recovery from a TBI.
 
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I do not remember where I read this and not 100% sure of its accuracy but their is 9 players in the NCAA going through a concussion protocol and IU has 2. I do find it odd as well.
 
Publicly Archie say's all the right thing's about it.
I just wonder if privately. He thinks J.C. ! Take a couple advil and let's go !
Our bench has like four guy's who cant play ..
And Davis looks like he's still on one leg. .
We're winning. .But the real meat of the conference is coming
 
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