This kind of stuff isn’t going to stop. He has to step down.
In the meantime, I’m still betting on Biden leaving the race.
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In fairness to him, that's an old story. It's from Saturday.
- In response to Veasey asking how Biden plans to win back disaffected voters, Biden said in part that members need to do a better job advertising his administration's accomplishments.
It's unreal just how much in denial his team is.
I was kidding about it being an old story. But, in today's rapid fire information environment, it can seem like it.
I certainly still wouldn't rule it out. But I think the shooting and the NATO PC temporarily took some of the pressure off him.
Time will tell.
Actually, it kind of is an old story, because that conference call happened early in the day, before the shooting.
I was kidding about it being an old story. But, in today's rapid fire information environment, it can seem like it.
I certainly still wouldn't rule it out. But I think the shooting and the NATO PC temporarily took some of the pressure off him.
Time will tell.
The shooting isn’t going to improve Biden’s condition. There is no fix for it. The election could move to some semblance of sanity if he did the right thing and refused to accept the nomination.
I know, but I do think it distracts from the issue and tempers the movement to try to force him out.
I think it may be more important *when* he fully closes the door on any other options than it does *which* option he chooses. I know he's heretofore insisted he's staying in the race. But the uncertainty is still there -- and it has created no small amount of division. The longer that division exists, the worse it is for Democrats up and down the ballot.
And he doesn't make the uncertainty go away simply by saying "I'm staying in."
So I think he either needs to do the virtual nomination thing (closing the door on bowing out) or else bow out of the race (closing the door on running).
Pop news, like pop music doesn't keep peoples attention for long. Note Israel vs Hamas is no longer #1 on the charts. Neither is Trump's trials, Ukraine or Biden's age ... sure we listen to them occasionally ... but there's a new banger just released. They can reuse the hook but it needs a new beat.
News has been sensationalized and everything is exaggerated.... and it's not the fault of the media, they only sell what people will buy. Blaming the media is akin to blaming McDonalds for not making a person eat salad instead of the manufactured processed dog food they prefer.
It's the fault of the people who eat it up dumb shit and an intellectually lazy public who doesn't welcome knowledge or facts over fear porn, conspiracies and echo chambers...
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After the Trump shooting, I don’t see anyone throwing their hat in the ring. The race may be unwinnable by any D candidate now. Why take the risk and lose? If you’re a Shapiro, keep your powder dry and come back in 28.
I mean. He did get shot at. And that picture. It’s like 9/11 level eagles blaring Guns and Roses level America.
What I’m saying is. It’s campaign gold. He owns. Landslide. Only question is how far down ballot you want to save and whose political career you want to end.
Agreed except I would stress he didn't get shot at, he got shot. No one is going to seriously get any traction with "It was just a scratch!"
We'll see. I'm not seeing very many people changing their votes for any reason and don't see how getting shot at and having a viral level picture makes an independent or undecided change theirs. Unless you truly believe that the majority of undecided voters are extremely superficial and unserious? Hope they're not ... "I got shot at" shouldn't win anyone points on a resume or outweigh the real issues, plus there's more shit to come, guarantee it.
Has any undecided here changed their vote because of "fire flex pic, bro" ? Anyone?
Biden's television talk after the shooting about ending the divisiveness in the country is a theme which he probably thinks works to his advantage and confirms his notion that he will win.
Trump may now lessen his attack style to offset Biden's promise to bring us together and let Vance be the attack dog.
In other words, Trump thinks he can coast to victory and can now present himself as a healer.
As to the Trump followers who love his pugalistic style they have his Fight Pose after the shooting to keep their adrenalin pumping.
Undecideds are only half the battle. Motivating your voters is the other half. Trump's voters couldn't be any more motivated at this point.
Well, Eric claims half of his ear was shot off .. and it wasn't. So, we are soon going to see way too many pics of Trumps ear after the shooting when a clearer picture can be taken. Again, it doesn't change a damn thing, getting shot at is getting shot at, but you just know Trump will milk the fk out of it regardless.
They always have been ... meh, I get you, you think that it increases the turnout of his base voters who may have had enough previously to sit this one out. Okay .. we'll see.
Do you guys ever talk to young or younger women?
You want to talk about motivated.. the best place to find a date this November will be in the voting line. Wear your f**k trump shirt.
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Milk the fck out of it…. Yes he should make light of and forget getting shot in an assassination effort. Just a common occurrence. Not impactful at all. Another great take tinkerbell
I don't think it increases the turnout of his base. I think it increases the turnout of his other voters. The Republicans who are not excited about MAGA but generally favor him over Biden anyway.
Not many votes will change but enough. And enough Dems are ready to sit out. The trajectory wasn’t good and removing Biden from the ticket brings with it the question of “if he can’t campaign how can he even be president?” The Dems are a clown show organization and the Pubs just got, perhaps, the greatest ever political gift in American history.
I bet he wins the popular vote.
Always have been they just can't get out of their own way. Pulling adds after the shooting as not to appear "bad". Weak. Dems are an all defense no offense team. Attack!
It's almost if the party is ran by human resource managers and HOA presidents..
He’s from Scranton.. they don’t quit Jack.. anyway
You’re correct. Turnout is what matters. If it increases even 2-3% it’s over. When the entire narrative is Trump is Hitler and the end of Democracy and the people’s side saying that tries to blow his head off, some conservatives might just say f#ck it and vote for him. Like myself.
Why should he stay in? He said he was a bridge. He's been mentoring and training Kamala. He believed she could be President when he picke her, so surely he feels that way now. Why wouldn't he want her to run with her last 3.5 yrs of accomplishments, her inspirational speeches, and her youthful exuberance to connect with young voters?
Looks like the Biden campaign was having the same thoughts I was about this process being dragged out until the convention. They're reportedly planning to do a "virtual roll call" with the delegates. Voting would open 7/29 and run through 8/5. DNC Chair Jamie Harrison is on board (which is not surprising, as he's always been a Biden guy)
I'm sure this is going to ruffle feathers of those who want Biden replaced. But, if Biden is really as intransigent as he's indicated he is, then I think this is far better for the Dems than letting the uncertainty fester for another 5 weeks. They need to put this in the rearview mirror.
They were always doing the virtual roll call, because of Ohio changing their ballot deadline.
What's this story about then? NYT has one up on it as well. It's behind a paywall and I'm not a subscriber. Are they just reaffirming what they've always been planning, or has something changed?
** Edit: Looks like it has something to do with the dates
Axios has some context on this. The original rationale for the VRC was Ohio's ballot access. But Ohio's law has since changed -- so the virtual roll call is no longer necessary for Ohio ballot.
Zoom out: In late May, the Democratic National Committee announced plans to nominate its ticket via a virtual roll call weeks before the party's convention in Chicago, which starts Aug. 19. But they didn't provide a firm date.
- The DNC's stated reason for front-running the nomination — Ohio's Aug. 7 deadline for ballot access — is no longer relevant because Ohio changed its law. The state's new deadline is Sept. 1.
- Internally, DNC officials rarely mention Ohio as the reason to push forward with an earlier date, according a Democratic official who's been briefed on the planning.
- "This election comes down to nothing less than saving our democracy from a man who has said he wants to be a dictator on 'day one,' " Harrison said in his statement.
- "So we certainly are not going to leave the fate of this election in the hands of MAGA Republicans in Ohio that have tried to keep President Biden off of the general election ballot."
I don't think it's necessarily about getting new voters to vote for him because he was shot. I do think it's more about igniting his current voters and making sure they're getting out to vote, which if they weren't before, they sure are now.
Contrast that with the large sense of people not being excited or even worried about Biden. And the whole subgroup of people who've sworn to not vote for him based on US support of Israel is still standing strong. I still think it'll be relatively close because just like in 2020, there are still a lot of people who REALLY hate Trump. I do think that was why there was such strong turn out in that election, but other glaring variables are at play this turn. Trump's base being solidified, Biden's age gaffes, the pro-Hamas crowd and other things are all a part of the equation.
All that said, I do think the Harris-Vance debates will be interesting. I think both are smart people and will make things interesting. A very sharp contrast to what we saw in the presidential debate.
Maybe. But one thing that stood out to me in that Axios story is that they quoted a Biden delegate (which, of course, virtually all of them are pledged to Biden) complaining about this in a letter to all the other delegates from her state (Maryland)
- "Behind the scenes, people at the Biden campaign and DNC are working to put in the fix," Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi, a Biden delegate from Maryland, wrote to her fellow state delegates last week, according to an email obtained by Axios.
- "Put simply, they are trying to shut down the process earlier. We can't allow it," she wrote. "I am asking you to ask the DNC to stop pushing for an early vote."
I suppose this gambit could backfire on Biden.
Interesting. I didn't realize Ohio changed their deadline. I was going off ballotpedia, which is usually accurate.
Yeah, if I were a delegate I'd be pissed the DNC is still pushing this.
At this point I'm hoping against hope that some sort of hail mary works, the Democrats get a competent replacement in place (at this point I'd take Harris, Shapiro, Basheer, Whitmer and maybe even Newsome) and they can squeak this out. We have 3 and 1/2 months and it's not like the Democrats would have to present/market a new candidate by carrier pigeon or telegraph. A strong week of crisscrossing the country and giving interviews would not only do the job, it would build excitement with the Democratic base and anti-Trump voters (let's be honest, that group was essentially who won the last election).
I think any of those candidates would kick Trump's ass in a debate. And to your point, anything can happen. There is no law that says Biden has to be the nominee, even at this late stage. I mean, what it either Trump or Biden were revealed to have a life-threatening illness or otherwise couldn't run? There would have to be recourse to change candidates in that situation.
That said, I'm fully aware that it looks like Trump is going to run away with it. I've kind of already tried to take the philosophical approach that there still might be enough resistance to all the bat-shit crazy things he'd want to do and the grown-ups might again take charge in 2028.
And for what it's worth 'grown-ups' doesn't necessarily mean Democrats. I fully mean this - if the Republicans were running a more sensible candidate - I'll just say someone arbitrarily like John Kasich - I might consider voting for someone like that. I don't agree with everything someone like that stands for, but I'm honest enough to know that he did some good enough things for Ohio and if it were someone like that vs Biden - who I'm teetering on suggesting it's irresponsible for him to run - I'd have to weigh options.
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